Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 23 hours ago, Holko said: there was absolutely no space on the disc for those 5 seconds. Just another example of this being a somewhat rushed release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 Hey I didn't name it that, the sheet music leaked with that name on the top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 So how come these obvious widespread grand sheet music revelations never made it into the 10 year old accessible cue lists on the main page or your brand new fandangled updated 20 page spreadsheet instead of keeping up the gatekeeping or (sometimes condescendingly) implicating more info is available... somewhere... Or maybe the booklets could have included the cue names and slates already, with an additional few pages, or cutting down on repeating some of the pictures like the Radcliffe/Columbus pointing one, but Mike only does them occasionally, seemingly randomly. A.I. gets one, ST:TMP gets one, Superman gets one, Potter and CE3K don't for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I wouldn't put it that harshly, but do agree with some of your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted July 6, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2019 Why am I being attacked here - I feel like I missed something? I have done nothing but try to be helpful, and it certainly wasn't my decision not to include reel/part info or cue names in the booklets. This is the sheet music I'm talking about Not sure why I am accused of hiding - it's not like I have anything to do with sheet music leaking or not. I have nothing to do with that kind of stuff whatsoever, I just look at it if I get some and report what I see! KittBash, bollemanneke and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 10 hours ago, mrbellamy said: "These 5 seconds are everything. Without them we are deaf. Without them we leave the fate of JWFan to chance. You have no choice. You must not fail." Turn out your pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Is the Diagon Alley Reveal insert supposed to supplant 0:11-0:17 of the track, or was it indeed an insert that extends it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, fommes said: Is the Diagon Alley Reveal insert supposed to supplant 0:11-0:17 of the track, or was it indeed an insert that extends it? I have no clue but my sync attempt seems to fit pretty well as far as only the opening is concerned: fommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 The other day I started wondering about the alternate HP1 logo music. Where do we think was its original placement? Looking at the slate number and looking at it from a purely musical level, I can't imagine that it could havpe played right before the arrival cue, but then where would it have been? Somewhere between 1M1 and 1M3, for instance, right before they enter the zoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I just guess it was the original opening, for the Warner logo at the very beginning, before Williams, Columbus or both decided it wasn't right and the new Logo at the beginning of the film and LLL Track 1 was written. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2019 The beginning of the "2M4 Insert Diagon Alley Reveal" sketch says "Overlap Bar 6 Orig 2M4" and shows it starting at 0:10.2 seconds The end of the sketch says "Overlap Bar 9 orig 2m4" and shows a time of 0:25 something, so the Insert was certainly meant to replace a portion of the original cue I wanted to include 2M4 without this Insert as a bonus track on disc 3, but it wasn't meant to be. Luckily, you can hear WIlliams' original intentions before the Insert existed via the session leak. As for the logo music, I don't think you can read too much into the whole prologue cue being 1M1 and the logo cue being 1M2; There was certainly never an intention to put the WB logos anywhere but at the beginning of the film, and the prologue cue ends with a flourish that only could have been written for the same on-screen titles it syncs to now. I'd guess when spotting the film initially they didn't think that perhaps they could override the WB music that normally plays over the WB logo with their own music, so that was written later when someone came up with the idea. Once, TSMefford, bollemanneke and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,828 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Sorry if it has been mentioned before (i haven't really watched this thread): Have you @Jay done any spreadsheet for the first 2 Harry Potters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Yes, they are in the Jay Spreadsheet thread in the JW forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,828 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Holko said: Yes, they are in the Jay Spreadsheet thread in the JW forum. Ah, thanks! Going over there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 So if the reveal insert was meant to replace part of the original cue, does that mean the LLL set doesn't follow those instructions accurately? It does sound good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Frankly I've never compared the LLL track to the session leak to see exactly what Mike did >shrug< bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I think either it's supposed to start at 0:11 as I suggested before, or it doesn't replace material (since the music in the video posted above seems to work OK too). bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted July 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2019 Heheheyyy! Not bad at all. Mr. Who, crumbs, TSMefford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just noticed something interesting: I have embraced the train station-flying car transition. My new computer comes with some great Dolby Atmos normalise/crystalise tool and makes the transition sound much, much better, even perfect! (Listening to the HP3 pub music now and feeling at peace with the world.) Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 So... some automatic EQ thing fixes a cue starting later than it should, messing up the flow and tempo? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 It does! I know it's weird, but now it sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Better than Star Trek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 As far as I'm concerned, A LOT is better than Star Trek. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Star Trek is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: It does! I know it's weird, but now it sounds great. Does it still sound "off" to you if you listen to it on other equipment? I'm wondering if you've simply gotten used to the timing of the edit. In my experience, these sorts of segues sound more and more natural the more you listen to them. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Yes, it definitely still sounds weird on my portable radio and if I turn off the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Is that choir little cue at the beginning an edit from the editors or really an unreleased cue that isn't on the LLL set but plays in the movie? I can't see what cue we have on the LLL set this could come from Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 We know the Azkaban editors did a great job making their edits unnoticable but this seems a bit too much to pitchshift and reedit from the following cue, and too similar to be some synth choir which I could maybe believe the film's Apparition ending could be. Chewy and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So is this the guy who is finally going to give us the isolated score? I must say I prefer the original composition, though (end of Three Broomsticks), must be one of the most haunting cues I've ever heard. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 53 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: So is this the guy who is finally going to give us the isolated score? I must say I prefer the original composition, though (end of Three Broomsticks), must be one of the most haunting cues I've ever heard. That guy seems to get the "film-only" cues from 5.1/7.1 channel isolation. By the way, another thing: in "Befriending the Hippogriff", there is a big difference between the film and the LLL version in the beginning of the cue when the harpsichord plays: Did Mike use a wrong take for his presentation? Holko and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 Geez, that is quite a difference between the film version and the LLL! Wrong take? Did Williams not like the film version? Arpy, Once and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,042 Posted August 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Chewy said: Is that choir little cue at the beginning an edit from the editors or really an unreleased cue that isn't on the LLL set but plays in the movie? I can't see what cue we have on the LLL set this could come from It's identical to the choral part at the end of the track "The Three Broomsticks" (AKA "Brief Snow Scene"). It's heard that way in the film...my assumption has always been that the choir was recorded separately, and that's what we're hearing. Holko, Once, bollemanneke and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Ah yeah, I didn't check the ending of that track, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The choir sounds synthy. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2019 Gosh I love "The Firebolt and End Credits Suite" but it's been nearly a year and I still haven't been able to train my brain *not* to expect the Window to the Past section to cut to the "Buckbeak's Flight" drums. It's really hard to shake 15 years of "Mischief Managed"!!! Arpy, mstrox, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted September 18, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2019 I know *exactly* what you mean! Keep listening and it will happen And yea, I really love that ending rendition of the familiar Hedwig's Theme arrangement, it's performed just differently enough to make it feel fresh IMO Holko, Docteur Qui, bollemanneke and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I never had any trouble getting used to the new tracks, surprisingly. Getting used to some of the stupid OST decisions was much harder. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jay said: I know *exactly* what you mean! Keep listening and it will happen And yea, I really love that ending rendition of the familiar Hedwig's Theme arrangement, it's performed just differently enough to make it feel fresh IMO I hope I'll stop expecting it. But then again, it might not ever happen. The Beatles "1" compilation from 2000 was the first Beatles release I owned and I listened to it CONSTANTLY. By probably 2002 I had gotten to Revolver, but STILL to this very day when "Eleanor Rigby" finishes my brain expects "Penny Lane" to start (which followed it on 1). This is despite the fact that I listened to 1 for two years and I've listened to Revolver for 16! These things can be hard to shake. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 I still expect "The World Has Turned And Left Me Here" to begin after "My Name Is Jonas" because an old best of Weezer playlist I made omitted "No One Else" redishere and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Do they really have enough good songs to fill a best of-playlist? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 Absolutely mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 So now that this thread has been bumped... Rescue of Sirius, brass notes when Sirius turns his head before it goes into Buckbeak. 3 ascending, 2 descending, then it goes into direct buildup mode. Is that some form of the Family theme, not too unlike the [musical mumbojumbo like key or something] in Leaving Hogwarts? Huge if true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Speaking of that cue, I can NOT get used to the absence of Hermione's scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 It took me forever to get rid of that, but I eventually did! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jay said: Absolutely They always make me think of Windows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Holko said: So now that this thread has been bumped... Rescue of Sirius, brass notes when Sirius turns his head before it goes into Buckbeak. 3 ascending, 2 descending, then it goes into direct buildup mode. Is that some form of the Family theme, not too unlike the [musical mumbojumbo like key or something] in Leaving Hogwarts? Huge if true! I think it is a variation of the family theme but it is slightly offkey and people will only make it out if they really pay attention. I think it needed that 6th descending note to make it more recognizable. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 So, now that the thread has been bumped, does anyone also thinks that this part on Dementors Converge combining choir and orchestra in an epic symphony of doom and hell is a little similar to ROTS' Anakin's Dark Deeds? 0:59 - 1:23 1:44 - 1:52 That makes even sadder that Williams didn't got to score other Potter movies beyond the third one. If he got this dark just on PoA, imagine him scoring the return and the rise of Voldemort? More choirs from hell! crumbs and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I wonder if he would have kept recording in London all the way through to DH2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Seems wrong to demand Williams be continually tied to an endless stream of boring teen melodrama for five more movies. There's only so much of that crap a viewer can take, let alone one film composer who has to cook up new and original music for it every time. You people view Williams like he's your little plaything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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