Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: He has very few remaining years. Let him spend it with his loved ones or whatever. How about let HIM decide what he wants to do? The nerve of some of you fuckfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I just can't take all this mamby pamby boohooing from this new generation of JWTwats. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Wasn't that in fact his desire though? If I remember correctly, word was that there were negotiations, but they wanted to record in London and Williams wanted to stay in the US. Entirely unofficial info, of course, so it may be wrong, and I don't even remember who I heard it from. Yates sabotaged it. He didn't like Williams or his 'childish' celeste music, hence the gradual phasing out of Hedwig's Theme throughout his films. He asked Desplat to score DH Part 2 during the DH1 sessions when he knew producers were busy negotiating with Williams' management trying to reach terms. Then, when Williams requested a rough cut by a certain date to accommodate his writing schedule, Yates refused to comply. He undermined Williams at every turn and clearly didn't want him involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Never heard about Yates actively undermining Williams, but it seems, Williams returning for DH was a serious possibility, and Williams actually wanted to do it and considered it.... At least, according to this interview I found. https://harrypotterfanzone.com/2010/11/david-heyman-david-yates-on-alexandre-desplats-deathly-hallows-music-john-williams-returning/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 23 hours ago, Stefancos said: Surely its what he still finds fullfilling, to write in that expansive, evokative mode? Cynic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, publicist said: Cynic! Merry Christmas everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 "Merry Christmas" Stefancos & everybody! 😀 Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 If Star Wars IX and Indy 5 are John's final two film scores, few fans could ask for much more after such a celebrated career. The reality is Spielberg spent way too long sitting on his hands after Munich (1 film in 6 years, a mediocre one at that) and robbed us of at least 3-4 scores while Williams was at his modern peak. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Yeah, because Williams is entirely dependant on Spielberg to write anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Well obviously Williams composes for directors other than Spielberg (including Episode IX, in 8 years he's done more non-Spielberg scores than scores for Spielberg!) but clearly Spielberg taking an extended hiatus during that time meant there was no incentive for Williams to score anything. Yates robbed us of a fourth Williams Potter score, another wasted opportunity. But that was a torturous period for Williams fans with only one score in 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Yates robbed us of a fourth Williams Potter score, another wasted opportunity. Proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Can't name my sources, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Several bassoon and trumpet concertos probably robbed us of precious blockbuster scores, too. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Why does everyone keep mentioning 'Indiana Jones V'? After the last disgrace? I don't follow this stuff, but you guys are making it seem like the movie is being made next year or something. 11 hours ago, crumbs said: He didn't like Williams or his 'childish' celeste music, hence the gradual phasing out of Hedwig's Theme throughout his films. In HP, as in the Macaulay Culkin scores, JW's Tchaikovsky (or whoever) thing is amped up to nearly intolerable levels. It's so sugary, it's musical diabetes! That being said, the later scores are mostly a bore. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 It's the whole Nutcracker ballet, in tone and style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: How about let HIM decide what he wants to do? The nerve of some of you fuckfaces. No one is suggesting otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Sounds like a bunch of hype to me. I don't see why he would stop, unless like someone else said, he has more serious health issues (I really hope not). However, he did have to cancel London and Vienna, and he is scheduled on the Tanglewood on Parade concert as a conductor, HOWEVER he is only listed as "host"for film night, with David Newman conducting the entire concert. I guess the regular spring Pops season will tell us more, but I'm hoping it's just a schedule conflict as has happened in the past with his recording dates (or when he has the pace maker recovery). Hope it's only a scheduling thing,.... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 That could simply be a scheduling conflict with his Episode IX conducting. He might be under doctor's orders not to conduct at concerts around any film scoring sessions. For all we know, those Star Wars sessions are taking their toll on him physically (we already know Ross has been stepping in for the more intense cues). I imagine Episode IX sessions are already booked from mid-2019 through November, so maybe his recording schedule is clear in late July but August is scheduled for several recording sessions? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 the biggest robbery is Spielberg doing 2 films at the same time last year. I would have MUCH preferred Williams to score Ready Player One Bottom line, I believe this rumor unless Ricard dismisses it . Now I just hope makes it to the EP. IX recording sessions Martinland and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Star Wars 9 should be fine either way. There's plenty of material William Ross can work from if JW bows out Will and Ollie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yeah, he could just adapt his CoS material. Will, DJMcNiff, crumbs and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, King Mark said: the biggest robbery is Spielberg doing 2 films at the same time last year. I would have MUCH preferred Williams to score Ready Player One Bottom line, I believe this rumor unless Ricard dismisses it . Now I just hope makes it to the EP. IX recording sessions Why are you being so selfish?! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 You guys are all pretty negative Miguel Andrade and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: You guys are all pretty negative That's the JWFan way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yeah, if it hadn't been for the fact that I've met several of these guys in real life, I would label JWFAN the most miserable crowd I've ever encountered. Chen G. and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Well, if he would rather retire, he’d better do it quick and decrease the surplus population! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 19 hours ago, Warrior of Wet Dreams said: Well, if he would rather retire, he’d better do it quick and decrease the surplus population! That would foil Daisy Ridley's plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Thor said: Yeah, if it hadn't been for the fact that I've met several of these guys in real life, I would label JWFAN the most miserable crowd I've ever encountered. All the good members were at my dinner, ignore the rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Stefancos said: All the good members were at my dinner, ignore the rest! I wasn't at your dinner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 25. Dezember 2018 at 6:06 AM, Bryant Burnette said: How about let HIM decide what he wants to do? The nerve of some of you fuckfaces. He literally supported JW's free will to retire. Uncalled for. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I wasn't at your dinner... *Ignored* bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: *Ignored* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Stefancos said: *Ignored* Now I just don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 12/26/2018 at 8:22 AM, crumbs said: That could simply be a scheduling conflict with his Episode IX conducting. He might be under doctor's orders not to conduct at concerts around any film scoring sessions. For all we know, those Star Wars sessions are taking their toll on him physically (we already know Ross has been stepping in for the more intense cues). I imagine Episode IX sessions are already booked from mid-2019 through November, so maybe his recording schedule is clear in late July but August is scheduled for several recording sessions? Yeah, about that. When can we expect him to start/finish writing this score? I couldn't care less who conducts, Ross made HP2 much more exuberant anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarding News 7 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 9:48 PM, Marian Schedenig said: If I remember correctly, word was that there were negotiations, but they wanted to record in London and Williams wanted to stay in the US. Entirely unofficial info, of course, so it may be wrong, and I don't even remember who I heard it from. I found this wonderfully detailed (and sourced) answer about the potential reasons why Williams did not end up scoring Deathly Hallows. It even references JWFan as a source: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/a/28761 Then there's a quote from Williams himself (in 2007): https://www.chronicle.com/article/Conversations-With-John/4906 he explained: “It was a schedule problem; … of course I would have done it if I could, but it overlapped pretty exactly with Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith and War of the Worlds. The Lucas-Spielberg relationship took precedence on my schedule, and I had commitments to both those films earlier on. I must say I miss doing [Potter].” So, straight from the horse's mouth, it was nothing but scheduling conflict for Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix. As for Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows, director David Yates might also have had a slight bias for Alexandre Desplat, who by 2010 had already scored Half-Blood Prince with Yates, meaning they had a good working relationship going into the final film(s). Once and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Wizarding News said: So, straight from the horse's mouth, it was nothing but scheduling conflict for Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix. As for Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows, director David Yates might also have had a slight bias for Alexandre Desplat, who by 2010 had already scored Half-Blood Prince with Yates, meaning they had a good working relationship going into the final film(s). Nicholas Hooper scored Half-Blood Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarding News 7 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 12/25/2018 at 6:10 AM, crumbs said: Yates robbed us of a fourth Williams Potter score, another wasted opportunity. But that was a torturous period for Williams fans with only one score in 6 years. David Yates directed HP from Order of the Phoenix (#5) onward, so he would have had nothing to do with Goblet of Fire. Mike Newell directed Goblet of Fire. Did you mean to blame Mike Newell? (Don't worry, you can... many Potter fans consider #4 to be the worst movie of the series.) [Edit: I think I took your phrase "fourth Williams Potter score" too literally and incorrectly associated your statement with Goblet of Fire specifically.] 11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Nicholas Hooper scored Half-Blood Prince. My mistake. Here's what I meant to say: Deathly Hallows was a single film split into two. (Meaning they filmed it all at once.) When Alexandre Desplat was announced to score Part 1, it was only Part 1 we knew about. There was still some hope that Williams could somehow return to score Part 2, which makes little sense when you really think about it. The gist of what I was saying, though... I think everyone would've liked Williams to have scored Deathly Hallows, but they weren't going to bend over backward to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wizarding News said: Mike Newell directed Goblet of Fire. Did you mean to blame Mike Newell? (Don't worry, you can... many Potter fans consider #4 to be the worst movie of the series.) He meant the fourth score Williams would deliver for the series. Although as we know, Mike Newell did not like Williams' style, not that Williams' schedule would have allowed for it anyways. 6 minutes ago, Wizarding News said: My mistake. The gist of what I was saying, though... I think everyone would've liked Williams to have scored Deathly Hallows, but they weren't going to bend over backwards to bring him back. Yates already worked with Desplat so it was easier to just keep plugging along as they had. The point you're making is invalidated, because Yates _didn't_ work with Desplat beforehand. At this point, we're just idly chatting about the did not's, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarding News 7 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: The point you're making is invalidated, because Yates _didn't_ work with Desplat beforehand. At this point, we're just idly chatting about the did not's, though. 1 I realized that and was editing my post before you submitted this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Wizarding News said: I realized that and was editing my post before you submitted this post. Gotchu, amigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 On 12/26/2018 at 4:23 PM, Thor said: Yeah, if it hadn't been for the fact that I've met several of these guys in real life, I would label JWFAN the most miserable crowd I've ever encountered. I’d say FSM still holds that crown. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Williams will never retire from writing. He simply loves it. But he may retire from writing for film given the extra stress that entails of keeping to schedule, dealing with studios, long days at scoring sessions, etc. I think retiring from scoring after episode IX would be a great achievement having completed a trilogy of trilogies that has started all the way back in 1977. However, he may be sentimental about Spielberg and want his last score to be for him, although neither WSS or Indy 5 excites me as film prospects but Indy 5 would also be a great final send off for him, whenever that actually happens. My main concern though is episode IX. Ever since I heard TFA, I've wanted JW to finish the trilogy. I wouldn't be too disheartened if Indy 5 gets scored by someone else like John Powell (maybe with JW writing a new theme). Given their collaboration on Solo, I'd imagine he'd be high on JW's list of recommendations to Spielberg for Indy 5 if he's not doing it himself. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Or maybe let John Powell write his own goddang themes? Indiana Jones desperately needed a new fanfare anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 No soup for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Well, it's time to retire! Feel free to drop in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Damien F said: Given their collaboration on Solo, I'd imagine he'd be high on JW's list of recommendations to Spielberg for Indy 5 Williams could give one recommendation to Spielberg: Stop this Madness! Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Well, it's time to retire! Feel free to drop in! You wouldn't drop a composer with glasses, huh, would ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If JW is ever "retiring," it's either from scoring films or conducting concerts (not that the latter has been much of a thing for him for many years anyway). Nothing would stop him from working from home, at his own pace, on new concert pieces, adapting existing works, fulfilling commissions, and supporting Mike Matessino in producing proper expansions of all the scores that haven't received the golden treatment. I indeed imagine he looks forward to doing exactly that after Ep. IX. And, considering how long-lived many of history's great artists are and have been, what would JW do with all his remaining time if he actually were to full-out retire from music? There's only so much golf a man can play. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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