The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Bespin said: Concerto No 10 in E-flat Major for 2 pianos & orchestra, K. 365 Oh yes, that is very good. Coincidentally one of the first ever Mozart pieces that I was introduced to, and something obviously went well! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The entirety of Piston's 4th symphony is a thing of incredible beauty and excitement. I know I'm the only person on this board and the only person in the mid-Atlantic region currently obsessed with him, but please give me just 30-40 seconds of your day to listen to the climax of the extraordinary slow movement. The movement starts with this gorgeous solo clarinet and over the course of 4 minutes has moved from lovely chromatic lyricism to slowly become more and more dissonant. It's like a hot, lazy Summer day when a thunderstorm rolls up. It's a truly jaw-dropping, magical moment when the orchestra drops out at 4:15 and the whole thing climaxes with these thick, heavy, declamatory brass chords. Just listen to this section and you'll understand why I've been so obsessed with him this summer. (3:52 - 4:33) Alternate performance/link for non-Americans: (16:24 - 16:55) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 That's nice, Stu. Certainly more captivating than his book on harmony. btw, the part starting at 2.04 reminded me somewhat of Bartok's concerto for orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Bartok is for sure an influence on his music (especially on his string quartets), although Piston goes down smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: you'll understand why I've been so obsessed with him this summer. On 7/16/2019 at 8:24 AM, Disco Stu said: I just came across a term I like that seems to fit what bothers me better than the word "programmatic." "musical pictorialism" Ahhh, I think I know whachu mean. One is more evocative of a certain extramusical idea, whereas almost forcibly tries to illustrate and depict a certain extramusical idea. Am I understanding you? Personally there are almost always some kind of extramusical inspiration of a piece, but I either keep it to myself or try to allude to it with the title and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,472 Posted July 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2019 Note to myself: Bach wrote a concerto for 3 harpsichords and orchestra. Great great great humour. What about writing a concerto for 3 orchestras and harpsichord to make sure we don’t hear the harpsichord. 🤨 The Illustrious Jerry, Bayesian and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I’m ok listening to harpsichord except when the recording engineer mikes it too closely. When the mike is like down in the instrument each pluck of a string is like nails on a chalkboard to me. The Illustrious Jerry and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,164 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Time to post this again then? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Piston's got one too! It's one of his most fun light chamber pieces, the Sonatina for Violin and Harpsichord. For some reason this title says piano, but it's a harpsichord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I Prefer Philip Glass' effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Neither the Nyman nor the Glass are really my cuppa. With both composers I appreciate the artistry, but they have nothing to say to me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I like the harpsichord in this: Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Loert said: I like the harpsichord in this: Now we're talkin'! 1950s Carter is best Carter. The Variations for Orchestra from the same period might be favorite piece of his. (also Piston's greatest and most loyal protege ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,164 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Neither the Nyman nor the Glass are really my cuppa. With both composers I appreciate the artistry, but they have nothing to say to me personally. I found the Nyman unlistenable when I first heard it. Now I love its sheer badass freakiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 9:25 PM, Disco Stu said: my preferred interpretation (Slatkin) I just bought tickets to see Slatkin conduct Copland's 3rd symphony at the Kennedy Center in December. I'm beyond elated! SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Shostakovich's Piano Trio No. 2 Whimsical. Another spot-on finale- what a closing movement that was! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 He's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Any consensus on which is the best recording/performance of The Planets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 You are looking for a concensus, here, on JWfan? 😂 Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Definitely no consensus. You tend to get different answers from each person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Any consensus on which is the best recording/performance of The Planets? Just don't go for The Planets of the Apes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 That's a good question, and it's entirely dependent on who you ask. Personally, you can never go wrong with DG and Karajan, but I mostly listen to the Toronto Symphony's take because that's the one I own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I only own Williams' one. It's not bad. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 50 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Any consensus on which is the best recording/performance of The Planets? One recording that's received a lot of praise is Dutoit's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Any consensus on which is the best recording/performance of The Planets? There is no consensus, but by far my favourite recording is Previn/LSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 That's a great one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Any consensus on which is the best recording/performance of The Planets? Coincidentally I saw The Planets at the BBC Proms yesterday evening, played by the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra under Kirill Karabits. I took my 16 year-old nephew who had never been to any sort of concert before, so I had purposely bought choir seats so that he could get a good view of the orchestra. It was quite an experience and I was really impressed with the orchestra's performance. If you are interested you should be able to listen to the concert on the BBC Radio 3 player for the next month or so at this link. It was wonderful to be able to see the percussion section so close to us that we could almost read their music from the stands. The concert also featured John Adams's Short Ride In a Fast Machine (we were sat right behind the wood block!) and Samuel Barber's gorgeous violin concerto played by the Serbian violinist Nemanja Radulovic, so plenty to enjoy if you have the time. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Omen II said: John Adams's Short Ride In a Fast Machine A great piece! 2 minutes ago, Omen II said: Samuel Barber's gorgeous violin concerto Another great piece! 3 minutes ago, Omen II said: the wood block! My favourite instrument! Omen II 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I sound like a broken record with my Slatkin praise, but his recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra really is my favorite. It's a GREAT recording from a sound quality standpoint as well. No other recording of Jupiter I've heard emphasizes the staccato articulations in the violins quite this much. I love it. Bernstein's famous recording especially slurs the crap out of that opening figure. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Oooh, SOUND DIMENSION! Speaking about Slatkin, he has recorded an interesting version of Mussorgsky's Pictures, with each movement orchestrated by a different composer. Well worth a listen! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 I've heard that one. A neat take indeed! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: No other recording of Jupiter I've heard emphasizes the staccato articulations in the violins quite this much. I love it. Bernstein's famous recording especially slurs the crap out of that opening figure.tl Thin important detail is the first thing I check out when sampling a new recording of The Planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Oooh, SOUND DIMENSION! Speaking about Slatkin, he has recorded an interesting version of Mussorgsky's Pictures, with each movement orchestrated by a different composer. Well worth a listen! Great album. Here's the 1991 BBC Proms TV program about that project, where he even compares and contrasts different interpretations. Very cool stuff. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 For the Holst I recommend Groves with the RPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,164 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: That's a good question, and it's entirely dependent on who you ask. Personally, you can never go wrong with DG and Karajan, but I mostly listen to the Toronto Symphony's take because that's the one I own. Another vote for the DG Karajan. But avoid his earlier Decca recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Jacob Druckman - Nor Spell Nor Charm (1990) I really really like this. (Performed by the essential Boston Modern Orchestra Project) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Leading a performance of this gem this weekend. I reckon the first movement is one of his most eerily beautiful. Score and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 European? Pass. Only kidding. To be honest, the only Ligeti I really know is what Kubrick used in his movies. I’ve heard other pieces in passing but never given him my full attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 One of the very few composers of the avant garde or whatever "ism" you want to categorize him in who really had something to say - and who had a sense of humor. I think that comes through for unfamiliar listeners even if they don't ultimately dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 18 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Jacob Druckman - Nor Spell Nor Charm (1990) I really really like this. (Performed by the essential Boston Modern Orchestra Project) I can't get enough of this piece. Druckman is my find of the week for sure. I'm not even sure I could explain what I find so appealing about it. The orchestration is very cool, I know that. One of the more successful concert pieces from that time period (80s/90s) I've heard that uses synthesizer as just another texture of the orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Dan Locklair - Symphony of Seasons I believe the best adjective to describe this music is: anodyne an·o·dyne /ˈanəˌdīn/ adjective 1. not likely to provoke dissent or offense; inoffensive, often deliberately so. "anodyne New Age music" synonyms: bland, inoffensive, innocuous, neutral, unobjectionable, unexceptionable, unremarkable, commonplace, dull, tedious, run-of-the-mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,015 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Nice pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Mahler's 4th. The shortest symphony he wrote ("only" 57 minutes...), but so beautifully balanced, and showing many different faces of this amazing composer. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Time travel!!! Mozart Europe Tour 1777-1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 8:20 AM, Disco Stu said: I can't get enough of this piece. Druckman is my find of the week for sure. I'm not even sure I could explain what I find so appealing about it. The orchestration is very cool, I know that. One of the more successful concert pieces from that time period (80s/90s) I've heard that uses synthesizer as just another texture of the orchestra. He was one of Newman's teachers. It shows in interesting ways. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The Chamber Music of Lowell Liebermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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