rough cut 1,714 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Hear it a second time, but this time, it’ll feel like the first time... again... but better! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 And a few new surprises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 9:36 AM, Stefancos said: Simple, these releases were done on the quick by Lucasfilm/RCA and because of that they arent quite what they should have been. I still consider them vital because there hasnt been any legit release after that wholly replaces them. ANH and TESB sound fine, imo. Empire sounds too dry and thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Dry and thin. Like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, El Jefe said: Empire sounds too dry and thin. Half of Empire was remixed! It also has been a bit compressed. Just compare 'Hyperspace' cue from the Arista box set to this and you will see how the strings are wrongly mixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Ghostbusters II said: Dry and thin. Like me. I got no spit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Don't drink that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How come nobody’s discussing Williams’ greatest sounding recording of The Raiders’ March? Is it the OST? Aisle Seat version? The Boston Pops recording on the original Williams/Spielberg collaboration? Is it the re-recording on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? Hmmm, I’m sure there are others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, rough cut said: How come nobody’s discussing Williams’ greatest sounding recording of The Raiders’ March? You'll just have to make a poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I love polls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 hours ago, rough cut said: How come nobody’s discussing Williams’ greatest sounding recording of The Raiders’ March? Is it the OST? Aisle Seat version? The Boston Pops recording on the original Williams/Spielberg collaboration? Is it the re-recording on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? Hmmm, I’m sure there are others... If you want balls-to-the-wall excitement, go for the original Raiders recording. If you want technical accuracy, go anywhere but. 😋 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 8:22 AM, El Jefe said: Empire sounds too dry and thin. ANH oddly sounds better than ESB and ROTJ! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenkraly2004 27 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 That's been a huge question regarding the sound on these expanded Star Wars Trilogy Soundtracks from 1997 by RCA victor. Don't know the answers as to why they sound off. to me A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back sounds fine while Return of The Jedi does not sound great at all. I'm sure if they ever do another expanded release of these scores the sound will fix fixed on any future releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Why does it seem like every reissue of E.T. has just increased the bass and treble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Ghostbusters II said: Why does it seem like every reissue of E.T. has just increased the bass and treble? E.T. was already a very bright recording from the onset. When Matessino redid the final version; Williams himself requested that the brightness (treble) be toned down a bit. So I think its quite balanced than the previous versions. 10 hours ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: ANH oddly sounds better than ESB and ROTJ! I actually find no real faults with ANH and its definitely the best restoration to date. They pretty much stuck to the original mixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Ghostbusters II said: Why does it seem like every reissue of E.T. has just increased the bass and treble? The Japanese audiophile CD is all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 The reel-to-reel is all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Amer said: I actually find no real faults with ANH and its definitely the best restoration to date. I bought the Blu-spec CD2 of ESB and it doesn't sound better than the other Sony release. What a disappointment. Now I wonder if Disney will ever release the OT faithfully in supposedly better formats like BSCD2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: I bought the Blu-spec CD2 of ESB and it doesn't sound better than the other Sony release. What a disappointment. Now I wonder if Disney will ever release the OT faithfully in supposedly better formats like BSCD2. Keep in mind that blu-spec CDs are only supposed to sound better if you're listening to the CD with a CD-player. If you rip it, the added precision in the physical CD manufacturing doesn't matter. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 And putting the same shitty master on a better format will still only be the same shitty master. Jurassic Shark and _deleted_ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Amer said: I actually find no real faults with ANH and its definitely the best restoration to date. They pretty much stuck to the original mixes. What are your thoughts on the audio quality of Disney's SW Remaster? I know Empire was botched in parts but, to my ears, ANH sounds better than any prior release. And to be honest, even with all the QC issues in Empire, it's still vastly superior to the audio quality of the SEs (barring the two or three cues that were completely wrecked, like the Asteroid Chase). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 The SW77 demaster lost some of the punch I'm used to with the SE, like in the brass in TIE Fighter Attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 In all honesty, I think the ANH SE doesn't sound bad at all. Less 'bright' than the Anthology versions, sure, but presentable nonetheless. At the very least, the takes used were correct and the assembly was decent. Empire is a mixed bag, and Jedi is just badly-mastered all around, and that becomes evident especially in cues not recorded in Abbey Road such as the Superstructure Chase cue. I'm not sure what they were thinking or why on subsequent reissues it was never corrected. However, I'm pretty sure that someday soon, we'll actually get properly-mastered complete presentations of the three scores anyway, so I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I haven't done a direct side-by-side comparison. It would make an interesting podcast though, purely exploring all these different releases and their varying sound qualities. That extra "punch" with the '97 SE could just be artificial enhancement, possibly artificial treble and bass boosting. While the Disney remasters are mishandled in places (especially their down-conversions of 3-track masters to stereo), they don't sound particularly "enhanced" or manipulated to my ears. They sound fairly natural and faithful to the recordings, actually. The original mixes are so brilliant they really don't need much mastering for a modern release. Unfortunately, as with film studios who "remaster" old movies for Bluray with sloppy amounts of digital noise reduction and edge enhancement, these score releases often suffer the same fate (as evidenced by the needless, likely miscallibrated, noise reduction applied to the '97 SEs). phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 OK, I'll reiterate: compared to what's in my memory, the brass in TIE Fighter attack on the demaster almost sounds muffled at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 38 minutes ago, crumbs said: The original mixes are so brilliant they really don't need much mastering for a modern release. Original mixes brilliant? Really? Okay.... crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 ...what on earth is wrong with Eric Tomlinson's mixes for the Star Wars trilogy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JJA 19 Posted April 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2019 To my mind, the 2018 edition of ANH is largely superior in sound compared to the SE, which sounds far more "artificial" (hard to explain what I precisely mean), and has some loudness war issues in louder passages. Listening to the SE is rather fatiguing to the ears for these reasons. crumbs, phbart and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 hours ago, crumbs said: ...what on earth is wrong with Eric Tomlinson's mixes for the Star Wars trilogy?! ANH sounds a bit small and tinny, for example. Rough, in any release I've ever heard. Compare it to the sound of the Gerhardt/NPO recording and you will see what i mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 John Williams didn't score a movie called A New Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 You are right, he didn't. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenkraly2004 27 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 7 hours ago, crumbs said: I haven't done a direct side-by-side comparison. It would make an interesting podcast though, purely exploring all these different releases and their varying sound qualities. That extra "punch" with the '97 SE could just be artificial enhancement, possibly artificial treble and bass boosting. While the Disney remasters are mishandled in places (especially their down-conversions of 3-track masters to stereo), they don't sound particularly "enhanced" or manipulated to my ears. They sound fairly natural and faithful to the recordings, actually. The original mixes are so brilliant they really don't need much mastering for a modern release. Unfortunately, as with film studios who "remaster" old movies for Bluray with sloppy amounts of digital noise reduction and edge enhancement, these score releases often suffer the same fate (as evidenced by the needless, likely miscallibrated, noise reduction applied to the '97 SEs). Agreed with you on that also not just on CD with the sound quality of the soundtracks (mostly the 1997 Special Edition Releases of the OT) but the film mixes themselves for The OT on DVD and Blu-Ray in 2004 and 2011 they even don't sound the same but that's a whole different topic all together. So in many ways both the soundtracks on CD and film mixes have been botched in some cases since 1997. I hope someday Mike Matessino does get to do a proper re master of all 3 Star Wars Trilogy Soundtrack releases at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, crumbs said: What are your thoughts on the audio quality of Disney's SW Remaster? I know Empire was botched in parts but, to my ears, ANH sounds better than any prior release. And to be honest, even with all the QC issues in Empire, it's still vastly superior to the audio quality of the SEs (barring the two or three cues that were completely wrecked, like the Asteroid Chase). 5 hours ago, JJA said: To my mind, the 2018 edition of ANH is largely superior in sound compared to the SE, which sounds far more "artificial" (hard to explain what I precisely mean), and has some loudness war issues in louder passages. Listening to the SE is rather fatiguing to the ears for these reasons. The Disney 2018 RoTJ also sounds better than the previous releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 That's the only one of the Demasters I've bothered owning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 The one that is the worst OST 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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