Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Anyone else remember that part in Speed where Sandra crashes the bus into a baby carriage full of cans. And Keanu's like, "Khans! It's just khans!" Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Glóin the Dark said: 1970s Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola)Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick)Death in Venice (Luchino Visconti)The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Luis Bunuel)Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet)Don't Look Now (Nicholas Roeg)The Godfather, Part II (Francis Ford Coppola)Jaws (Steven Spielberg)Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Chantal Akerman)La Maman et la putain (Jean Eustache)Manhattan (Woody Allen)MASH (Robert Altman)Mean Streets (Martin Scorsese)Monty Python's Life of Brian (Terry Jones)Nashville (Robert Altman)One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (Milos Forman)Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir)Taxi Driver (Martin Scorsese)The Wicker Man (Robin Hardy)A Woman under the Influence (John Cassavetes) To be honest, Gloin, there are no oddballs here that make your list more 'personal'. Don't you have any favorite movies that you won't easily find in 'best movies' lists? If I were to make a list, it would most likely be a mixture of widely and critically acclaimed movies (like the ones in your lists) but also movies that few critics would dare to put in a top 20 list (movies you know aren't the best ever made but that somehow touched your heart in ways the best never did). TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 True story. What's the difference again between best movies and favorite movies, someone pls eggsplain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Borodin said: True story. What's the difference again between best movies and favorite movies, someone pls eggsplain. Favorite and best are not the same. You may think a film is great and not have it among your favorites A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 5:44 AM, JoeinAR said: You may think a film is great and not have it among your favorites I could objectively call something a 'well accepted' movie by others. Based on study, this is "a commonly well-accepted film." That would not mean I think it's great. It would mean other people do. It would mean I think it's 'well-accepted.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I appreciate the Godfather and Citizen Kane for their greatness in filmmaking and the craft involved. They are among the best films every made. Neither film is my favorite. My favorite films do not have to be the best. I love B films and few could hardly be the best. It is difficult to distinguish. Especially to an emotionally driven person like me. Best: The Shape of Water Favorite: Creature from the Black Lagoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Alexcremers said: To be honest, Gloin, there are no oddballs here that make your list more 'personal'. Bear in mind that we're now into the period from which I've only seen the films retrospectively, usually decades after their release. This means that the ones which have come to my attention have already passed through the filter of time and survived. Of all the films that I've seen from that decade, I'd guess that a large majority (maybe 70-80%) are ones which you would consider too highly regarded in the critical consensus to count as an oddball choice. From my point of view, what makes this list a "personal" one is the collection in aggregrate (even if none of the individual titles on it seems particularly unusual). This is defined as much by what is excluded from the list as by what is included. There are films that would undoubtedly be common entries on critics' top twenty lists of the decade but which I wouldn't consider even putting on the shortlist for mine. 6 hours ago, Alexcremers said: (movies you know aren't the best ever made but that somehow touched your heart in ways the best never did). The original article seems to use terms like "best", "favourite" and "top" interchangeably, and I've been choosing my lists interpreting "favourite" to mean something on the spectrum between pure affection and pure admiration. In any case, I don't think this has made a huge impact on my choices. I wouldn't include any film which had impressed me only on a detached, cerebral level. And if a film had "touched my heart" so much that I would include it in my top twenty of the decade, then I wouldn't shirk from calling it one of the best. (Admittedly, I can't help thinking I should have tried harder to find room for The Sting for its sheer entertainment value - though even that would hardly count as an "oddball" choice...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 There's really no point in delineating very much. A favourite film is a film you consider great. If that sentiment is not shared by the established majority otherwise, well then you're free to call it underrated. Vice versa, you're free to dislike a film that is generally considered 'great' and call it overrated. Ultimately, it's all subjective. Unless you're charting film history through established classics, but where's the fun in that? Draws all personality out of it. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I love The Room. I would be a complete idiot if I would call it great in any way. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Holko said: I love The Room. I would be a complete idiot if I would call it great in any way. The Tommy Wiseau or the Lenny Abrahamson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thor 7,465 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Have you seen the other two movies of the Haneke Tetralogy? Yes, I've seen all of Haneke's films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Honestly I didn't know people didn't differentiate between best and favorite, or consider it a pointless distinction. Though Joe and Holko already gave a good example, I'll add one of my own: if I were to do one of these lists and include the 70's, I would add Death Race 2000. Is it the apex of filmmaking from the time? Hell no. But I love the blunt and sheer sci-fi audacity it has, the on-the-nose visual and thematic symbols, and it tackles those aspects in a very fun and imaginative way. In other words, I genuinely like it and think it's well made for what it's doing--I don't just consider it campy trash or "so bad it's entertaining"--, and it resonates with me in a way that another film of that decade, such as The Godfather, doesn't, though it smokes Death Race's ass as a piece of filmmaking. Is this concept really such a weird one? 24 minutes ago, Holko said: I love The Room. I would be a complete idiot if I would call it great in any way. It's got its moments, but damn it can be so boring...I can't even watch it for laughs. For that I'll stick to Street Fighter or Crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Honestly I didn't know people didn't differentiate between best and favorite, or consider it a pointless distinction. Though Joe and Holko already gave a good example, I'll add one of my own: if I were to do one of these lists and include the 70's, I would add Death Race 2000. Is it the apex of filmmaking from the time? Hell no. But I love the blunt and sheer sci-fi audacity it has, the on-the-nose visual and thematic symbols, and it tackles those aspects in a very fun and imaginative way. In other words, I genuinely like it and think it's well made for what it's doing--I don't just consider it campy trash or "so bad it's entertaining"--, and it resonates with me in a way that another film of that decade, such as The Godfather, doesn't, though it smokes Death Race's ass as a piece of filmmaking. Is this concept really such a weird one? No, that's the 'guilty pleasure' thing. Slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 And can't one's favourite movies be guilty pleasures? Look at Drax and Justin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thor said: No, that's the 'guilty pleasure' thing. Slightly different. No, I specifically said that I genuinely like the film, it's not a guilty pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Thor said: There's really no point in delineating very much. A favourite film is a film you consider great. If that sentiment is not shared by the established majority otherwise, well then you're free to call it underrated. Vice versa, you're free to dislike a film that is generally considered 'great' and call it overrated. Ultimately, it's all subjective. Unless you're charting film history through established classics, but where's the fun in that? Draws all personality out of it. I completely disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Sometimes it's so bad that it's great. Just ask Tarantino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Alexcremers said: If I were to make a list, it would most likely be a mixture of widely and critically acclaimed movies (like the ones in your lists) but also movies that few critics would dare to put in a top 20 list... Well, then, let's see it! Put your movie where your mouth is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Sometimes it's so bad that it's great. Just ask Tarantino. Again, even putting aside that angle, isn't it possible to prefer or have a movie closer to your heart than one you think is better on a filmmaking level? Another one I'd add is All That Jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Nick Parker said: Again, even putting aside that angle, isn't it possible to prefer or have a movie closer to your heart than one you think is better on a filmmaking level? Of course, anyone can see that the filmmaking skills in 2001: ASO are off the charts, and yet, when given the choice, more people would take ID4 to their deserted island. Chen G. and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If I am to pursue cinematic hedonism, then I'm afraid ID4 supersedes 2001: A Spacefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Another one I'd add is All That Jazz. All That Jazz is very highly regarded! In those videos that Criterion puts on YouTube where they give away their DVDs to various film-makers, I think I've seen more people fawning over All That Jazz than any other film. (I'm not a huge fan of it, personally.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Glóin the Dark said: All That Jazz is very highly regarded! In those videos that Criterion puts on YouTube where they give away their DVDs to various film-makers, I think I've seen more people fawning over All That Jazz than any other film. (I'm not a huge fan of it, personally.) Oh I know, what I meant was that there are films from the 70's that I think are --brace yourself--"objectively" better, but I prefer All That Jazz to some of those. Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Thor said: Yes, I've seen all of Haneke's films. And I'm patiently waiting for a decent box set on the German market, having merely seen Funny Games. Every fucking country has a fucking Michael Haneke collection except we art idiots! 1 hour ago, Thor said: No, that's the 'guilty pleasure' thing. Slightly different. Best example for that is Total Recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Total Recall is not a guilty pleasure! You gonna say The Thing is, next!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Nick Parker said: Total Recall is not a guilty pleasure! You gonna say The Thing is, next!? To some people it's a guilty pleasure, others will cite it as a favourite. It depends on the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1930's Frankenstein Dracula The Invisible Man The Mummy The Bride of Frankenstein King King The Werewolf of London Son of Frankenstein The Secrets of the Blue Room A Christmas Carol (Gene Lockhart version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: To some people it's a guilty pleasure, others will cite it as a favourite. It depends on the person. The only varying part here is "pleasure", but Total Recall is "guilty", no doubt. 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: Total Recall is not a guilty pleasure! You gonna say The Thing is, next!? Yes, although it was not that pleasurable. Nevermind, it is not good filmmaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Yes, although it was not that pleasurable. Nevermind, it is not good filmmaking. The Thing isn't good filmmaking? 3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The only varying part here is "pleasure", but Total Recall is "guilty", no doubt. Guilty of what, being a film based on a sci-fi premise that actually capitalizes on it, using its balls to the wall action story as a meta-narrative, and all the while has fun doing it? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: The Thing isn't good filmmaking? Guilty of what, being a film based on a sci-fi premise that actually capitalizes on it, using its balls to the wall action story as a meta-narrative, and all the while has fun doing it? The Thing from Another World is better. All three Thing movies are good filmmaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: The Thing from Another World is better. All three Thing movies are good filmmaking By three are you including that one that came out like ten years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Thats a good film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: By three are you including that one that came out like ten years ago? Yes it was a nice homage to Carpenter's gore fest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 What's wrong with Total Recall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Total Recall is 90s fantastic. It's a classic because of the kitsch, because of the vulgarity. Badass score on it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Ghostbusters II said: What's wrong with Total Recall? Nothing wrong with it. One of my childhood films. I like it very much. But it is far away from being a masterpiece or a great film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Its a great film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Certainly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2019 Here's my list of the best films per year that I've seen so far. It's not necessarily my favourites, but the films I think are the best. 1971: A Clockwork Orange 1972: The Godfather 1973: Mean Streets 1974: The Godfather Part II 1975: Barry Lyndon 1976: Taxi Driver 1977: Star Wars 1978: The Deer Hunter 1979: Alien 1980: Raging Bull 1981: Raiders ofnthe Lost Ark 1982: First Blood 1983: Under Fire 1984: Once Upon a Time in America 1985: Back to the Future 1986: The Mission 1987: The Last Emperor 1988: Dead Ringers 1989: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 1990: GoodFellas 1991: The Silence of the Lambs 1992: Reservoir Dogs 1993: M Butterfly 1994: Pulp Fiction 1995: Casino 1996: Trainspotting 1997: Lost Highway (I am so sorry Curtis Hanson) 1998: The Big Lebowski 1999: Magnolia Oomoog the Ecstatic, Glóin the Dark and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Why are you sorry for Hanson. He lost to a far better film. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Moving on the 80s -- my childhood years: 1980s: 1980: THE SHINING 1981: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 1982: BLADE RUNNER 1983: NOSTALGHIA 1984: ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA 1985: BACK TO THE FUTURE 1986: ALIENS 1987: EMPIRE OF THE SUN 1988: GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES 1989: THE ABYSS As expected, another Hollywood-heavy list. And that's AFTER having "killed off" at least another 100-150 superb films from Tinseltown. Also no room for great Scandinavian films like Sällskapsresan, Pelle Erobreren, Veiviseren, Dykket, Ronja Røverdatter, Fanny & Alexander, Mitt liv som hund, Tro, håp og kjærlighet, Zappa. Or other non-Hollywood masterpieces like Fitzcarraldo, Subway, Akira, Cinema Paradiso, My Neighbour Totoro, Dead Calm, The Bear, Dekalog, Ran, Nausicaa, The Seventh Continent, Public Enemy, Ghare Baire, 36 Chowringhee Lane, Masoom. Oh, the pain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Fabulin said: Still some very good films do: The Lion King 2 Wait...what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Thor said: 1984: ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Why are you sorry for Hanson. He lost to a far better film. It can't get far better than L.A. Confidential. It's just extreme bad-luck that it was released in the same year as Lost Highway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, Thor said: 1980s: 1987: EMPIRE OF THE SUN 6 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: It can't get far better than L.A. Confidential. The blueprint of anything Nolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Curtis Hanson is no auteur, but he was a capable craftsman. LA CONFIDENTIAL is a slick film noir pastiche, but lacks a lot in terms of depth or complexity. CHINATOWN, it ain't. But unquestionably one of the better films in the last part of Goldsmith's career (although that bar isn't particularly high). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: It can't get far better than L.A. Confidential. It's just extreme bad-luck that it was released in the same year as Lost Highway. He stood no chance against Titanic. Nor should he have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 59 minutes ago, Thor said: Curtis Hanson is no auteur, but he was a capable craftsman. LA CONFIDENTIAL is a slick film noir pastiche, but lacks a lot in terms of depth or complexity. CHINATOWN, it ain't. But unquestionably one of the better films in the last part of Goldsmith's career (although that bar isn't particularly high). Sometimes I really wonder how you can call a film like Prometheus "bloody brilliant" and then say that L.A. Confidential "lacks a lot in terms of depth or complexity". If there is one Hollywood film that doesn't lack a thing, and certainly not depth and complexity, it's L.A. Confidential. It is a perfect film. Try searching for flaws elsewhere. There are no culms in this desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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