bollemanneke 3,338 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I thought about this a few days ago. If someone who doesn't listen to film music at all asked you to recommend them two scores that they absolutely need to listen to, which ones would you pick and why? I would go for Titanic and Harry Potter 3: Titanic because it's a memorable but unconventional score and HP3 because of its enormous style variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Alien and Prisoner of Azkaban. From there on it only gets worse. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Jaws and Star Wars. Bespin and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,480 Posted March 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2019 Two JW scores for a beginner...you mean in 2019? Two entry points for JW. E.T. The album (or let’s say the latest expanded release) The Force Awakens OST Why? Because it’s two fabulous albums of great great great music. The Illustrious Jerry, Holko and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Batman and Titanic. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, John said: Jaws and Star Wars. 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: E.T. The album (or let’s say the latest expanded release) The Force Awakens OST I can't imagine anything better than these. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2019 Worked for me. SteveMc, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal and Bespin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I would recommend said person absolutely NOTHING untill I charted his or her preferences in terms of genre, style etc.. I would then give a recommendation or two based on that. I will not presume to think the person likes something just because I do. bollemanneke and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Thor said: I would recommend said person absolutely NOTHING untill I charted his or her preferences in terms of genre, style etc.. I would then give a recommendation or two based on that. Yes, but I think most can agree that there are a number of easily accessible scores that best represent the merits of the genre, and can serve as a gateway for casual listeners. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2019 Pirates Of The Carribbean Jurassic Park bollemanneke, SteveMc, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, John said: Yes, but I think most can agree that there are a number of easily accessible scores that best represent the merits of the genre, and can serve as a gateway for casual listeners. But the question was to give recommendations for further listening, not to 'mention some classic scores' to a newbie for information's sake. I never, ever, recommend anyone anything untill I know where he or she is coming from. I'm not going to recommend STAR WARS to an electronica buff as an easy gateway into film music, for example. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I would never go for the poor Titanic or a relatively mediocre pastiche score like HP 3. Neither of them are "essential" nor do they represent film music at its best. You could argue that Titanic is even a score that gave film music a bad reputation. A Streetcar Named Desire and East of Eden would be two good candidates to begin with though I think. Why? Because they used modern music and both of the scores contain music that represents film music at its best. At their best, they have never been surpassed in the field. Both by two of the most formidable composers to ever work in the field as well. John, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Chewy and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 . bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, Thor said: I would recommend said person absolutely NOTHING untill I charted his or her preferences in terms of genre, style etc.. I would then give a recommendation or two based on that. I will not presume to think the person likes something just because I do. 21 minutes ago, Thor said: But the question was to give recommendations for further listening, not to 'mention some classic scores' to a newbie for information's sake. I never, ever, recommend anyone anything untill I know where he or she is coming from. I'm not going to recommend STAR WARS to an electronica buff as an easy gateway into film music, for example. That is called "summoning fragmentation" which is not a very good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Datameister 2,037 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Totally depends on the person, yeah. Also, it depends on their goal. Do they want to get a sense of my musical tastes? Raiders would probably be one of them. Not sure on the other. Do they want to get a sense for what film music is like in general? There's no way just two scores can possibly sum that up, although POA would indeed be an interesting start. Are they hoping to be wooed into loving film music? One of my recommendations would probably be something Horner, and/or even Zimmer, unless I happen to know that they're already a fan of less immediately accessible orchestral music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 It depends who I'm talking to. If it is someone really serious, I'd recommend CE3K and maybe Ben-Hur. If someone from a more casual classical place, then An American Tail and Schindler's List, or even Empire of the Sun if I wanted to be daring. 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Pirates Of The Carribbean Jurassic Park Savvy choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,626 Posted March 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2019 why do you guys give weird choices Titanic:Horner's most boring and annoying score Jurassic Park. The main themes are nice but overall it's not Williams at his best for the action music .The last half of the album initially disappointed me very much Pirates of the Carribean:WTF? Prisoner of Azcaban . Again, this one is best for people already Williams fans.The first score is much more accessible for normal people Force Awakens :Williams weakest Star Wars score by far Close Encounters:Too much dissonant music. I didn't like it when I was younger and just getting into Williams and just listened to the ending my choices: E.T. Raiders of the Lost Ark Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone The Empire Strikes Back because they have the music that can get you "hooked" on Williams bollemanneke, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Chewy and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I'd tell them to go fuck themselves, you will never make it in the score-appreciation business. This is for serious students only. The Illustrious Jerry, bollemanneke and John 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Images Coma mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The Mephisto Waltz by Jerry Goldsmith The Grudge by Christopher Young Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, dougie said: Images Coma Would have worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 You have to start at the top, and the score that is generally considered to be the greatest ever composed, is STAR WARS. To contrast, I'd recommend PSYCHO. Although these are polar opposites, they both represent just what film music, at its best, is capable of. I'd ask the novice to listen to the score(s) first, and then watch the film(s), keeping in mind what they have just heard. Hopefully, they will appreciate the music's role within the films. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Or just watch any movies you want until you hear music you like enough to want to hear on its own. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Fellowship of the Ring Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Jurassic Park The Empire Strikes Back Lady Jane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Let them figure it out on their own bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 And they lived happily ever after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Not all of us need guidance to love film scores. Some of us had are own inner Jessica Tate before she even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 13 hours ago, Thor said: I would recommend said person absolutely NOTHING untill I charted his or her preferences in terms of genre, style etc.. I would then give a recommendation or two based on that. I will not presume to think the person likes something just because I do. That's a good argument, Thor, but...are you wanting people to like something, or to appreciate it? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The others aren't worthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Not allowing myself compilations here, otherwise I'd include Williams Greatest Hits from 1999. I'd pick one of Williams' classic OSTs - maybe the ET OST, or Empire. Then I'd pick something completely different. Something Zimmery. Something electronic. Requiem for a Dream. Who knows. Giving somebody two Williams scores wouldn't help them get a taste for film music in two discs. Giving them an expanded release for a first listen would drain any normal listener's enthusiasm fast. Posting earnestly here because Drax already stole my "Images" answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, Fabulin said: We are not humanity; we are JWFan. Out there in the world, the percentage is smaller than that in their beverages. Careful, man, there's a beverage, here! . 36 minutes ago, mstrox said: Not allowing myself compilations here, otherwise I'd include Williams Greatest Hits from 1999. Mike, JW composed only three scores, in 1999. It wouldn't be a long CD. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Richard said: That's a good argument, Thor, but...are you wanting people to like something, or to appreciate it? Again, that would depend entirely on what the person asked me to do, and where he or she comes from. I can't believe people are just rattling off personal favourites or classic scores here without this basic point-of-departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Exactly. It all depends on the background of the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thor said: Again, that would depend entirely on what the person asked me to do, and where he or she comes from. I can't believe people are just rattling off personal favourites or classic scores here without this basic point-of-departure. Would you ask the person if he/she prefers OSTs or expanded score presentations? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Would you ask the person if he/she prefers OSTs or expanded score presentations? If it's a regular person with no film music knowledge, I'll take it for granted that an OST presentation is preferred. Expanded editions are only for nutty film score nerds. Unlucky Bastard and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Ask the person did you like the music you heard in the movie? If so and you would like to hear it again then get the album. This is the logical starting point Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 People that have Star Wars as their first favorite score usually turn out to be very, very boring. Brundlefly and Unlucky Bastard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Kasey Kockroach said: People that have Star Wars as their first favorite score usually turn out to be very, very boring. It's just another "huh-duh watz yor favrite film scoar mate?" thread in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Kasey Kockroach said: People that have Star Wars as their first favorite score usually turn out to be very, very boring. Idiotic post of the day Fabulin and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Idiotic post of the day I’m only allowed one per day? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Idiotic post of the day Its just an “oooh look at me, I don’t like Star Wars and I’m on a John Wiliams’ Board. I’m edgy” post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I think it was meant to be taken ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Masters of the Universe is better than Star Wars. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Kasey Kockroach for Moderator 2019! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Last Starfighter > Star Wars Unlucky Bastard and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, John said: I think it was meant to be taken ironically. There is no room for irony when it comes to the Star Wars score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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