Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/15/2019 at 4:33 AM, TownerFan said: I am a bit baffled by the amount of over-analysis about this new trailer music piece I read online. I mean, it's always great to see fans getting excited about new Star Wars music and trying to tie up things in musical terms (especially @Falstaft always insightful analysis). But in all honesty, I don't think this simple piece of music for an advertising item is worth such a torrent of words and thoughts, especially because this isn't composed by JW himself. I can certainly agree that it's a well-executed piece of music that succeeds in doing what a trailer should always do--getting people excited for the film itself. I honestly don't know if anything we're hearing in this piece is foreshadowing JW's actual music score we'll hear in TROS, nor any kind of plot reveal (all the talk about the link to the Dies Irae is fun, but imho a tad too stretched for this purpose). Please allow me to direct you to my Youtube vlog where I expound in a painstaking 30 minute video how those four notes reveal the entire plot, beat for beat, of The Rise of Skywalker Bayesian, crumbs, mstrox and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 12:19 PM, lemoncurd said: just the Dies Irae motif that is used in Burning Homestead from STAR WAR (the cue that has been tracked into TFA when Rey catches the light saber in the forest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 Are you trying to say something Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I believe I was most clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 By quoting a 5 day old post that has nothing to do with what Disco Stu said before you? How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Only Joe has the superpower to see that clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: By quoting a 5 day old post that has nothing to do with what Disco Stu said before you? How so? You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Marty, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally! JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 This is heavy, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Hear me out on this one...the trailer composers are clearly giving us a hint about the film by blatantly quoting the TriStar Pictures logo theme at the end. TriStar...Tri...Star, Three Starkillers. There will be 3 Starkiller bases in this film. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Not one too many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: By quoting a 5 day old post that has nothing to do with what Disco Stu said before you? How so? Some of us do not read or care to read all the posts or all the threads and if I quote something from days ago it is clearly not in response to a current posting but likely the quoted post itself. A prudent man would/should know this or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 I understand that, but you didn't add any commentary to the quote that you quoted. Your entire post consists only of the quote with nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Leave the Moderating to me, Jason! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 It is very unclear, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urple 1 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 8:51 AM, Manakin Skywalker said: Anyone else notice that the 4 notes we hear during the title reveal are the same last 4 notes of the Columbia Pictures logo? 😂 OH GOSH THANK YOU I created an account just to reply to this because this has been bugging me since the trailer launched. I could hear those notes so clearly and was convinced that it was the ending of a scene from the original trilogy, some transition piece that maybe even hinted at some hidden plot detail. But no, it's just Columbia. Disappointing, but immeasurably relieving. So, thank you!! :) Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Must be coincidence, right? Columbia doesn’t have anything to do with Disney. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Well, Sony did rerelease the expanded OT scores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 True, but I’ll stand my ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 We got name-dropped on Twitter! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 If she means the discussion is more measured and judicious here, then I agree. As far as I'm aware, a trailer composer rarely has any insight into or knowledge of the film, so reading much into the music is just letting excitement run away with you. Which is understandable, it's an exciting trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What did she mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: If she means the discussion is more measured and judicious here, then I agree. As far as I'm aware, a trailer composer rarely has any insight into or knowledge of the film, so reading much into the music is just letting excitement run away with you. Which is understandable, it's an exciting trailer. I feel icky when I see regular Star Wars fans talking about film music. It’s ewwww. Remco, Falstaft, Disco Stu and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I feel icky when I see regular Star Wars fans talking about film music. It’s ewwww. Not only do most of them not realize that Williams didn't write the trailer music, I'm pretty sure most would not even understand there's really a difference. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Bilbo said: I feel icky when I see regular Star Wars fans talking about film music. It’s ewwww. That's actually a great way to describe it. 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: We got name-dropped on Twitter! We're famous! Bilbo and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Not only do most of them not realize that Williams didn't write the trailer music, I'm pretty sure most would not even understand there's really a difference. Dude, I love the song from the trailer! I hope it’s in the film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Bilbo said: Dude, I love the song from the trailer! I hope it’s in the film! I appreciate their excitement, I really do. It's great the films have scores that average fans even notice. But yeah, I can't help cringing a little at times. Maybe that makes me a snob! I can't help it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Disco Stu said: I appreciate their excitement, I really do. It's great the films have scores that average fans even notice. But yeah, I can't help cringing a little at times. Maybe that makes me a snob! I can't help it! If it’s wrong I don’t want to be right! Fabulin and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I saw some YouTube video about a year ago where someone was complaining about the music when Leia is sucked out of the Raddus' bridge. He went so far as to make a shitty mockup of what he thought would work better; basically sounded like generic trailer music. Yuck. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kelliwisethebrave 54 Posted April 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Disco Stu said: If she means the discussion is more measured and judicious here, then I agree. As far as I'm aware, a trailer composer rarely has any insight into or knowledge of the film, so reading much into the music is just letting excitement run away with you. Which is understandable, it's an exciting trailer. Hi!, I'm in the she in question. You're more or less correct. Basically, the discussion of all SW music on twitter vs here is very different (for example, Rogue One's music is almost universally adored on SW twitter, but I get the impression that it is not well-loved here), but I've noticed it especially with trailers, where some on twitter often assume the trailer music is either written or chosen based on what is going to happen with the film's plot and themes. There's always a possibility that there's some direction or input from directors, etc but even if that were the case, it's probably not as significant as it's interpreted to be. A lot of people there are looking for any hint or clue to those things in marketing, which is understandable, but has some interesting results at this stage. The Illustrious Jerry, Holko, Manakin Skywalker and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, kelliwisethebrave said: Hi!, I'm in the she in question. You're more or less correct. Basically, the discussion of all SW music on twitter vs here is very different (for example, Rogue One's music is almost universally adored on SW twitter, but I get the impression that it is not well-loved here), but I've noticed it especially with trailers, where some on twitter often assume the trailer music is either written or chosen based on what is going to happen with the film's plot and themes. There's always a possibility that there's some direction or input from directors, etc but even if that were the case, it's probably not as significant as it's interpreted to be. A lot of people there are looking for any hint or clue to those things in marketing, which is understandable, but has some interesting results at this stage. It can be pretty fun to follow the discussions too! Even if it’s all a bit silly! Some people do get just a little bit too carried away though. kelliwisethebrave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, kelliwisethebrave said: There's always a possibility that there's some direction or input from directors, etc but even if that were the case, it's probably not as significant as it's interpreted to be. I believe JJ said a few years back that he was not at all involved in any of the trailers besides the first teaser. Apparently the editors were asked to send in several random clips to a trailer house, and they'd literally take care of the rest. A lot of people on social media seem to not realize that. I think I remember Rian mentioning that on Twitter as well. If there's one thing you're absolutely correct about, it's that there is a pretty noticeable contrast between the more "casual" fans (and some of the more hardcore fans as well) and people like us, who dissect everything. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I find it hard to believe that JJ’s not involved in the trailer. But I guess he’s got plenty on his plate getting the movie finished in time. I think he said in an interview there’s three months less post-production with TROS than with TFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Sometimes the trailer music does almost seem to eerily predict aspects of the final score, for example The TLJ trailer music sounds a bit like "The Spark" Will and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 2 hours ago, kelliwisethebrave said: A lot of people there are looking for any hint or clue to those things in marketing, which is understandable, but has some interesting results at this stage. I thought the TLJ trailer music was interesting. 3 TFA themes were used prominently in the teaser, then the theatrical trailer actually used the ostinato from The Spark months before the score was released (but months after that cue was recorded). I speculated at the time, given the score's completion, and Disney's insistence on using Star Wars music in their marketing, that this ostinato might be a fragment of TLJ's score and that proved correct. The main difference with TROS is that Williams hasn't started writing the score, let alone recorded it, so there's little musical insight to be found in this particular teaser. The music itself appears to be an unused marketing track from TFA anyway. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 2 hours ago, crumbs said: The main difference with TROS is that Williams hasn't started writing the score, let alone recorded it, so there's little musical insight to be found in this particular teaser. The music itself appears to be an unused marketing track from TFA anyway. I guarantee he's written at least some of the score. They just haven't recorded it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I guarantee he's written most of the score. They just haven't recorded it yet. What makes you say that? Even Matessino said Williams probably wouldn't start working on it until the summer. It's a shame there's no concerts going on at the moment because we might get an update from Williams on the status of his score. I liked that anecdote about scoring TLJ he kept telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: What makes you say that? Even Matessino said Williams probably wouldn't start working on it until the summer. It's a shame there's no concerts going on at the moment because we might get an update from Williams on the status of his score. I liked that anecdote about scoring TLJ he kept telling. With recording sessions likely happening in the summer, I'm sure he's written something by now. I assume MM was referring to the sessions, not the writing itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: With recording sessions likely happening in the summer, I'm sure he's written something by now. I assume MM was referring to the sessions, not the writing itself. Would definitely be nice to have clarification, there's a hell of a difference between writing and recording. I still think May/June is manageable for a writing start date. JW might prefer to record the whole score in one batch for JJ this time, after what happened with TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I would hope that's what they plan to do. The score would certainly be more cohesive. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 JW: What's that, JJ Baby? You need thirty-seven cues revised from last week's sessions? What a shame the film's out next week and we left ourselves no time for revisions... JJ: But I changed the edit! *car tires screeching out front, fresh skid marks trailing away from JW's parking spot* Manakin Skywalker and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 why is anyone analyzing this trailer music. It's not even JW i can't believe this is getting more attention than Galaxy's Edge Joni Wiljami and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I can't believe it's not butter, but such is life. Disco Stu and Manakin Skywalker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2019 There’s a proper recording of Galaxy’s Edge? Anyway, I’m not surprised that SW Twitter loves the Rogue One score. The vast vast vast majority probably don’t recognize the blown out cliches and poor writing because they don’t listen to enough film music to properly judge it. Nobody is saying they can’t like it though. Remco, Fabulin and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I'd be very surprised if Williams hasn't been shown a rough cut by now and started writing. Maybe he's not doing concerts right now because he intended to spend most of his time during these months writing TROS? If MM's "summer" remark is to be taken literally, the summer season officially starts June 21 and I doubt they will wait that long to start talking about the music. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I have a very strong feeling he’s starting to write now, considered he finished the project with ASM and that he’s not conducting or attending in Boston next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 It would be very cool if he spent the next few months just writing the new themes and end credits suite, before starting the score proper. It makes sense to wait until a more finalised edit of the film is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I'm sure he's started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 hours ago, crumbs said: It would be very cool if he spent the next few months just writing the new themes and end credits suite, before starting the score proper. It makes sense to wait until a more finalised edit of the film is ready. That probably takes him about a week!😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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