Tom 4,633 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: There will be a concert suite. What as the last Williams score without a concert suite? His previous one--The Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tom said: His previous one--The Post. There are concert extensions. Setting The Type is only a one minute cue in the score proper. But for the album he did an extended version more than doubling its length. You could call that a concert presentation. Jurassic Shark and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm not sure what you mean by that. The end-credits of Episode III are basically the overture of all the themes of "Episode IV." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 "I don't write any better than I did 30 years ago. Maybe not as well." The truth finally comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Did he admit that he's in fact William Ross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Chen G. said: The end-credits of Episode III are basically the overture of all the themes of "Episode IV." Which looks a little silly in hindsight. Imagine a credits suite with all the themes from ROTS given a rousing send-off. Can't blame him though, that was a crazy busy year for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Well, it did make perfect sense at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Absolutely, it was his goodbye to Star Wars, and a damn near perfect one, in my opinion. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Gotta disagree with you there. Even at the time that seemed like a missed opportunity. A series of note-for-note reprisals of existing music (literally 12 minutes of that 13 minute track -- nearly 20% of the entire OST runtime) at a time when Williams was firing on all cylinders. It's a great recording and nice to have but reminds me of Mischief Managed. Using up valuable album space on music already released while coveted highlights from the original score are left unreleased (or frustratingly edited out, like the infamous Mustafar fanfare). I'll be disappointed if he pulls this same trick with TROS, when there's such a rich array of new themes at his disposal in the sequel trilogy (with several new ones surely to come). Taikomochi and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I don't think he'll pull of quite the same thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear the Throne Room Theme in the finale of the picture or in the end credits, is all. Its not a bad idea, either. Its certainly better than Binary Sunset again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Technically it would still be ending the film with yet another rendition of the force theme, but I know what you mean. Anything even slightly different from the last 3 would be very welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 I'm quietly hopeful we won't have another Binary Sunset ending for this film. I think even JJ would've realised he can't do that trick again after it was already used for the last 3 films. If nothing else, wouldn't you want a tonal change for the ending of a trilogy of trilogies, something more celebratory and upbeat than melancholic? Anyway, here's a nice quote from JJ about working with Williams again for TROS that hasn't been posted yet (I don't think): Quote The truth is, though, as a director, the end of the shoot is the beginning of post, and the beginning of post is the beginning of a long road of luckily getting to work with a lot of great people. ... In post, it's mostly editors and visual effects artists, and of course like John Williams, which is maybe the best part of the entire experience, getting to go to recording sessions with the orchestra. And to think Williams has already written half an hour of music! Makes you wonder how soon we might start hearing about recording sessions... Chen G., The Illustrious Jerry, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, crumbs said: I'm quietly hopeful we won't have another Binary Sunset ending for this film. You can bet it will. Fanboys love that callback shit. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, crumbs said: If nothing else, wouldn't you want a tonal change for the ending of a trilogy of trilogies, something more celebratory and upbeat than melancholic? A perfect opportunity to reinstate the Ewok Celebration! Will and Larry O 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I've been thinking... According to the interview, it took place just after the Hedwig's Theme recording session with Anne-Sophie Mutter's, and that was about a month ago. So, we can safely assume that Williams has already written about 50 minutes of music to TROS! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 There's still time to tweet Abrams and request that Williams write a proper and original end credits suite. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Pawel P. said: I've been thinking... According to the interview, it took place just after the Hedwig's Theme recording session with Anne-Sophie Mutter's, and that was about a month ago. So, we can safely assume that Williams has already written about 50 minutes of music to TROS! Great point! And if he's started writing the score proper, that means he's already mapped out all the new themes (and is probably "writing backwards," which hopefully means the most extroverted material is being written first, maybe the climax). It's amazing to think how close Williams is to completing this monumental nine act, 4+ decade long achievement. Presumably the timeline also means he saw a rough cut in the middle of March, which is a lot earlier than I expected -- only about a month after shooting wrapped. TFA definitely didn't have a rough cut that quickly (Williams only got to watch a few reels at those early spotting sessions). The Illustrious Jerry, Will, rpvee and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I think he watched a few reels rather than a whole rough cut. To have come up with rough cut within a month would be astonishing. As for mapping out all the new themes: I don't know that Williams works quite like that. I'm sure he maps out the main theme or two (which he shows to the filmmakers on a piano) but in terms of the more anchiliary leitmotives, those probably emerge organically as he's writing the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 So did he take a break from writing this to conduct the Mutter album? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/12/2019 at 2:48 AM, King Mark said: I'm puzzled why he keeps saying he doesn't like movies yet has scored them for decades and is always thrilled to see the rough cut of whatever he's scoring He's not actually quoted as saying he doesn't like movies - that's the writer's line, not his. What he said is that he's not an "avid" moviegoer, and that he doesn't go to the movies. Then again, why would he? They come to him. Any movie he'd probably want to see over the last 40+ years is a movie he's worked on. And considering how much he works, when would he have time to be an avid moviegoer anyway? He likes movies, obviously. He just doesn't need to go out and see them. He's too busy making them better. Re: The Revenge of the Sith end credits - I don't know that I thought it was lazy, but I definitely thought it was a victory lap. They all took Lucas at his word that this was THE END and so he added Battle of the Heroes to the Throne Room/Finale concert suite he wrote (and Gerhardt was first to record, IIRC?) and the LSO put their all into it. It felt appropriate as a John Williams goodbye to Star Wars (dodgy transitions and all - Star Wars was always, despite its creators best efforts, sort of charmingly janky) and I think it's probably best—if you're going to make assumptions—to assume a similar approach here. This is absolutely goodbye, not just to Star Wars, but maybe to film scoring. If his first instinct back in 2005 was to take the victory lap, it's probably a safe bet that he'll do it again. What big, oft-heard, iconic themes/motifs will he return to? What pieces will end up representing the biggest, strongest, musical ideas of what "Star Wars" is? Those are probably the ones he'll revisit. I'm hoping to hear some Yub-Yub, myself. Arpy and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Larry O said: Re: The Revenge of the Sith end credits - I don't know that I thought it was lazy, but I definitely thought it was a victory lap. They all took Lucas at his word that this was THE END and so he added Battle of the Heroes to the Throne Room/Finale concert suite he wrote (and Gerhardt was first to record, IIRC?) and the LSO put their all into it. It felt appropriate as a John Williams goodbye to Star Wars (dodgy transitions and all - Star Wars was always, despite its creators best efforts, sort of charmingly janky) and I think it's probably best—if you're going to make assumptions—to assume a similar approach here. This is absolutely goodbye, not just to Star Wars, but maybe to film scoring. If his first instinct back in 2005 was to take the victory lap, it's probably a safe bet that he'll do it again. This is some pretty big assumption, if you ask me. He didn't say anything that would remotely lead to think he will quit scoring films altogether after IX. As long as he's physically and mentally fit, I see him continuing writing for film. Of course it's safe to assume it will probably be his last full score for a Star Wars film, but perhaps he will continue to write themes and self-contained pieces for other incarnations of the faraway galaxy--perhaps even one of the future films and/or streaming shows. The Throne Room reprise on Ep3 was of course meant as a send-off to the series as a whole--the piece has always been JW's own favourite from the saga, it made sense back then as it would if he'd do the same today. But imho JW never took anything for granted, not even when he accepted to return to the series with Ep7--the last notes in TFA end credits could be seen as JW saying goodnight to Star Wars--for what he knew at that moment, TFA could have been his last Star Wars score. When you reach a certain age, you know you have a limited time at your disposal. Will, The Illustrious Jerry, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Well yeah it's an assumption, but I don't think it's a particularly big one, especially with hindsight. The part about his possibly leaving film scoring altogether is a maybe, not an assumption, but it's a maybe to consider, especially since, as you put it at the end of your own post, he's at a very certain age. But he's been given the job to "end" Star Wars musically THREE times now. The first time on Return of the Jedi, the second time on Revenge of the Sith, and now. The major difference with this assignment is the age/time as we've both pointed out, and also the context. Everything about this movie is going to be sold as "THE END" much like Sith was - except that end was leading into another movie's beginning. This end is, as everyone involved is making very aware, THE END. He's being asked to put the period on that sentence that began "A long time ago..." back in 1977. I think if you're going to make an assumption as to what that end credits will sound like, an assumption that sounds more like the Revenge of the Sith end titles on the soundtrack is a safe one to make. Of course, any assumption helps allow for surprise when expectations are subverted, too. And I'm more than open to that. The Illustrious Jerry and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 It's really tough to say. I don't think anyone expected TLJ's finale to be mostly assembled/edited from score cues. But I think Williams' sensibilities have changed quite significantly since that early 2000's period where all his albums had those useless concert suite reprise tracks, and all his end credits suites were just the fanfare followed by concert suite reprises and a credits-exclusive coda. Even if one was a construct of film cues and another was specifically written as a suite, both TLJ and TFA had far more effort put into their credits suites than any prequel score, indicating Williams is a bit less "cut and paste" than previously. And, to be blunt, he probably knows the end credits are one of his few musical opportunities to stretch the orchestra's legs (especially with JJ). It could go either way, really. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of Rey's Theme closing out both sequel scores though; would he really just abandon all that new material and regurgitate an existing reprise of Luke's Theme again? Will, Larry O and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 The TLJ end credits ended up being a really good representation of that film's story, didn't it? Luke's theme Luke's Island theme Leia's theme Force Theme Rey's Theme Yoda's theme Rose's theme Holdo's theme The Resistance theme The Rebel Fanfare TIE Fighter Attack Kylo Ren is probably the only major character who doesn't get any real representation in that closing. Yoda's probably over-represented, but the piece is so good and the movie gives Williams the excuse to indulge it, much like Leia only shows up for all of 10 seconds in Revenge of the Sith and that's enough for its end credits to lead directly to her concert suite at the top before Battle of the Heroes comes in. I think if Williams and Abrams have discussed what this score is supposed to sound like, I'd imagine he's been filled in on what characters are showing up, and considering the nature of this ending, if Abrams goes full crowd-pleaser on this (which is very much in his wheelhouse) you might end up with appearances from a whole bunch of characters, old and new, at which point their presence in the end titles becomes a big possibility, and you could end up with a Williams "victory" lap that is essentially a medley of most big Star Wars motifs ending with, yeah - an existing reprise of Luke's Theme, since it's the one that started it all. Either way, we don't have long to wait, do we? Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balahkay 627 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 4 hours ago, Chen G. said: I think he watched a few reels rather than a whole rough cut. To have come up with rough cut within a month would be astonishing. It's possible they had a very very rough cut by March. I think it's likely they started compiling the footage while filming was still in progress. They don't have much time to waste for this one. They did show footage to shareholders in early March but I'm not sure if whole scenes were shown or just random segments or shots. Maybe Williams saw that footage as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I believe on Force Awakens Abrams had editors cutting sequences together as they came in? Partially because he likes working that way, and partially because the schedule on that film was compressed enough that they sorta had to in order to ensure it came in on time. It's probably the same thing in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ludwig 1,120 Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 So Williams now goes for walks outdoors to solve compositional problems? That's exactly how Beethoven used to work. And Williams is reading the Beethoven symphonies for pleasure. Hmm... Clearly, he's channeling his inner Beethoven for TROS! (Btw, would absolutely love to hear a concert orchestral work from Williams whose musical architecture is influenced by Beethoven. Maybe something akin to a Shostakovich symphony. Williams loves 20th-century Russian music anyway!) TownerFan, Once, Falstaft and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 This is trending on Reddit and the comments are sensational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 didn't someone mention that Galaxy's Edge had some" Beethoven strings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Ludwig said: So Williams now goes for walks outdoors to solve compositional problems? That's exactly how Beethoven used to work. And Williams is reading the Beethoven symphonies for pleasure. Hmm... Clearly, he's channeling his inner Beethoven for TROS! (Btw, would absolutely love to hear a concert orchestral work from Williams whose musical architecture is influenced by Beethoven. Maybe something akin to a Shostakovich symphony. Williams loves 20th-century Russian music anyway!) Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - John Williams' 9th Symphony. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - John Williams' 9th Symphony. *IXth Symphony Mattris and Ludwig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arpy 4,145 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Larry O said: Re: The Revenge of the Sith end credits - I don't know that I thought it was lazy, but I definitely thought it was a victory lap. Williams cheering alongside Lucas and McCallum: _deleted_ and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 It's amusing how such a short paragraph of information (collected by a journalist from a large newspaper) is now being used by all film websites as the basis of click-bait articles, as if they all got some kind of inside scoop. Here's "journalism" in the internet era for you. Oh well. rpvee, Larry O and MikeH 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 The more I read the comments on that reddit post, the more triggered I become. Saw “original song” and almost threw my phone across the room. Will, The Illustrious Jerry and _deleted_ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Earbud Worthy LOL Millenials. Bless 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 If Williams wants to create a celebratory musical ending to the saga then instead of integrating that into the TROS end credits, I would suggest he create a separate 10-minute concert version featuring the primary themes from the saga. I would be very disappointed if the TROS end credits end up like the ROTS end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I can't believe there's a thread with 88 (now 89) replies about JW having written 25 minutes of music. Will we have similar threads when he's written 30, 45, 60 etc. minutes too? "Composing the STAR WARS score -- minute by minute". Would have been a cool idea for us Norwegians and our love for 'slow TV' formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 Lol well it also doubles as official confirmation that he’s begun composing The Illustrious Jerry, Will, Falstaft and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 Yeah it's definitely just excitement that he's started work on his likely last full Star Wars film score. Not the specific number of minutes. Falstaft, Will, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 . Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 On 5/12/2019 at 4:54 AM, Alex said: Here’s your damn full article ya cheapskates! Cheers for this! Fantastic article with some honesty and reflection I haven't heard from the maestro in some time. Truly humbling to hear how he sees himself and his work. What a class act. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 It's a thread about the entire article, which reveals lots of different information, the 25 minute figure is literally just one casual mention in one sentence. Pay attention, Thor! Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 22 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - John Williams' 9th Symphony. I'd laugh if instead of the Force theme or the Throne Room as a finale, Williams just pulls a fast one on all of JW Fan and has Chewie sing the Ode to Joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 15, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I'd laugh if instead of the Force theme or the Throne Room as a finale, Williams just pulls a fast one on all of JW Fan and has Chewie sing the Ode to Joy. Cerebral Cortex, Will, _deleted_ and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Balahkay said: I would suggest he create a separate 10-minute concert version featuring the primary themes from the saga I like this idea a lot, but for some reason it just doesn't seem like something Williams would do. Maybe a recap of the sequel trilogy. But of all nine films? I just can't see how something like it could come together: Will we suddenly hear the Separatist Motif in the credits? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,633 Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: I like this idea a lot, but for some reason it just doesn't seem like something Williams would do. Maybe a recap of the sequel trilogy. But of all nine films? I just can't see how something like it could come together: Will we suddenly hear the Separatist Motif in the credits? I don't think so. Dude, you have got to move on from these Straw Men examples. Just like your example of the Droid Army theme, no one in their right mind is suggesting he would include every minor theme and motif from all nine movies into one piece. Just the major themes and just some of those. It probably will not happen, but I it is not out of the question, given the saga-ending character of the film, that it does. Once, Remco and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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