Popular Post karelm 2,903 Posted June 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2019 Another one of my favorite things about JW is his strength with long form. Sometimes this takes place during an entire score where each cue perfectly guides the following into a constantly developing thematic story. But sometimes he does this in a single very long cue. What are your favorite long cues by JW and why do they work so well? I think for me, it is the final "Adventures on Earth" from E.T. Sorry couldn't find the scene from the film alone, just this concert performance. It works for me because the film and score are such a slow burn but ends with a tremendous emotional payoff and full of early 80's joyful exuberance. But it is also deeply moving in its final minutes until the triumphant ecstasy of the fanfare and bold ultimate statement of the E.T. theme that opened the film with a solo piccolo as all the principles look on in stunned amazement and awe at what has transpired. There are only a handful of great concert composers who can do this as well. SteveMc, The Illustrious Jerry, Bryant Burnette and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 It remains one of the best things he has written. Manipulative? I differ. More like an unabashed cinematic expression of triumph. Adore this one too: Bryant Burnette, karelm and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I mean - what else are people going to pick? If you had a poll it would probably get like 90% of the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Visitor in San Diego karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,625 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 Journey to the Island Battle of hoth karelm, Fabulin and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, Dieter Stark said: Visitor in San Diego Hell yeah! Which leads me to a question: what would y'all's favorite Williams long form cue be in the 21st century? A lot has been said about his shifting approach to scoring over the past couple decades, and I don't think examples of a long form approach from the 2000's come as quickly to the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,639 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 This will always reign supreme in this young boy's heart: karelm and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Escape from E.T karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Carbon Freeze, etc. karelm and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 The Chase Through Coruscant The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 isn't that his worse long cue? Will, JoeinAR and The Illustrious Jerry 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 Chase Through Coruscant is one of my favorites! Hard to think of any modern cues that rival that one in length. Bryant Burnette, The Illustrious Jerry and fuhrsy31 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 49 minutes ago, King Mark said: isn't that his worse long cue? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I'm tempted by both the finale from CE3K and Adventures On Earth, but for me, it's got to be "The Last Battle." Wasn't actually the last battle, but I don't hold that against it. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 The Long Goodbye. The Long Road to Justice. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, Bryant Burnette said: "The Last Battle." Not a film cue unless you mean the only 4:33 long "12M1 The Last Battle", the second half of Battle of Yavin. Single long cue... Schindler's Workforce (film version) - pretty long even without The Money Exchange I guess! Journey to the Island Time Past/Saving Buckbeak I think a world of difference exists between long stretches recorded separately but intended to crossfade/overlap into one, and OST tracks cobbled together from many unrelated cues - neither of the 4 parts of the Last Battle are even next to each other, the last 2, even joined in Battle of Yavin on the SE, are separated by 4 unscored minutes in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Nick Parker said: Hell yeah! Which leads me to a question: what would y'all's favorite Williams long form cue be in the 21st century? A lot has been said about his shifting approach to scoring over the past couple decades, and I don't think examples of a long form approach from the 2000's come as quickly to the mind. “The Quidditch Match” is fab. Will and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 What about the desert chase from Raiders? Back in the day, I felt like these long finishes were a trademark of JW and his spectacle. I remember going to see a new film he scored with great anticipation for what he'll do in in the ending sequences. It doesn't seem like he does that any more. Well, maybe ROTS but it didn't have the same build up to battle of the heroes, perhaps because there is just so much music throughout the film that it didn't feel like that much of a stand out sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 What are you talking about? There's almost always a lot of music near the end of a JW scored film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I need more parameters. What's a "long cue"? What's the minimum amount of minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Y'all are using the word "cue" wrong, usually these long tracks are comprised of multiple cues edited together to form a continuous experience. I don't think he's ever written a single individual cue longer than around 6 minutes, but he's certainly written several series of cues that he intended to be heard connected together (in the film and on album). One of my favorite long JW tracks is "The Mecha World (Extended)" from AI (almost 9 minutes), unfortunately I could only find the shortened OST edit on youtube Will and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Ya'll are using the word "cue" wrong, usually these long tracks are comprised of multiple cues edited together to form a continuous experience. I don't think he's ever written a single individual cue longer than around 6 minutes, but he's certainly written several series of cues that he intended to be heard connected together (in the film and on album). Yeah but for all intents and purposes it’s a single piece of music. Also it’s y’all (you all) not ya’ll Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Typo fixed Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 . Falstaft and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Isn't The Battle of Hoth technically four cues, one "track"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Planting the Charges. The Towering Inferno. One of the Best. The best is the first original post. All though its actually Adventure on Earth. Last time i used Adventures Jason promptly and correctly pointed out my error. karelm and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Isn't The Battle of Hoth technically four cues, one "track"? Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 Lately: SteveMc, Cerebral Cortex, karelm and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Great track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Schindler's Workforce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Here's probably my favourite JW scores. The order is a bit arbitrary, except for the first spot: 1. Jurassic Park 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Star Wars 4. E.T. and Jaws 5. The Last Crusade and Schindler's List ...and here's possibly my favourite non-JW scores, in arbitrary order: Oliver: Lady Jane Herrmann: North by Northwest Barry: Out of Africa Goodwin: Where Eagles Dare Walton: Henry V Morricone: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Jarre: Lawrence of Arabia Korngold: Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk, Robin Hood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Here's probably my favourite JW scores. The order is a bit arbitrary, except for the first spot: 1. Jurassic Park 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Star Wars 4. E.T. and Jaws 5. The Last Crusade and Schindler's List ...and here's possibly my favourite non-JW scores, in arbitrary order: Oliver: Lady Jane Herrmann: North by Northwest Barry: Out of Africa Goodwin: Where Eagles Dare Walton: Henry V Morricone: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Jarre: Lawrence of Arabia Korngold: Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk, Robin Hood Whoops, you gotta put that in the other thread! Don't worry, I think I've done this before! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 What's the longest JW cues recorded in one shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I don't know if we'll ever know. Often long cues are broken into parts for recording then edited together so seamlessly you can't tell where the cut is. One of the longest is certainly 12M2 I Remember from Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 We probably might not have realised The Quidditch Match was 3 seperate parts if we didn't get the sessions boot years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 I love this beautiful, mysterious, and dark long cue from EOTS. Reminds me of the grim stillness of Rued Langgaard's Misterio "Dodssejleren". Excuse poor recording, this was the only performance I could find. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Still no word on the length of cues/tracks here. Are we individually to set a number of minutes of what constitutes a long track, say 5 minutes and more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 492 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I'm not sure what really counts as a long cue, since so much of film music is recorded piecemeal and edited together after the fact, but these lengthy tracks are among my favorites: Journey to the Island The Battle of Yavin (from the 1997 RCA expansion) Omaha Beach Adventure on Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Yes, I think we can establish that karlem meant TRACKS on a soundtrack albums, not film cues. But I still need some length limitations, dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Thor said: Still no word on the length of cues/tracks here. Are we individually to set a number of minutes of what constitutes a long track, say 5 minutes and more? Ah! In that case, I'm with @JoeinAR. PLANTING THE CHARGES is fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 My combined continuous edit of Short Round Escapes/Saving Willie/Slave Children's Crusade/Short Round Helps. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 12:05 AM, King Mark said: isn't that his worse long cue? Indeed. Has anyone mention Desert Chase. The good original soundtrack version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Has anyone mention Desert Chase On 6/18/2019 at 10:11 AM, karelm said: What about the desert chase from Raiders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 thank god. Its so good it deserves more than just one person liking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Thor said: Still no word on the length of cues/tracks here. Are we individually to set a number of minutes of what constitutes a long track, say 5 minutes and more? I think at least 7 minutes or so would make sense as long. I have no problems with multiple cues like Hoth being tied together because aesthetically it fits with a theatrical sequence but also makes musical sense. In contrast, Star Wars "Rescue of the Princess" and "The Walls Converge" takes place in a sequence full of music but clearly serves a specific style and scene so doesn't make sense to combine different cues even if they were heard side by side. These are different set pieces. Shouldn't "The Throne Room" and "End Titles" be considered one cue not two? Should we consider Far and Away, the Land Rush which is 12:32 in the film (not the OST) a single cue? I think that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I think as has been said earlier - reality of how films are scored and recorded kinda defeats this question in the first place right. If cues are truly recorded in smaller pieces - who cares how they were presented in the film and on the album. The reality is that they were in the end smaller pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 14 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think as has been said earlier - reality of how films are scored and recorded kinda defeats this question in the first place right. If cues are truly recorded in smaller pieces - who cares how they were presented in the film and on the album. The reality is that they were in the end smaller pieces. Not true. It takes a great deal of care and skill to keep a musical thought cohesive for extended time. Who cares that it was recorded in four pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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