Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't give a fuck what pop culture remembers. Stagecoach, My Darling Clementine, The Searchers, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance are all masterpieces, on top of many other personal favorites he directed. Ford is one of the great artists this country has ever produced. I have nothing against Ford, but the Italian western is vastly superior to the American western. Chen G., The Illustrious Jerry and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Spaghetti westerns are tacky and boring! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 The Searchers is prettier to look at. Great almost 3D-looking HD transfer. Unlucky Bastard and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 That VistaVision process is sublime. Naïve Old Fart and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I desperately tried to get that movie but all i saw was a standard 50's John Wayne oater with an awful score that was beautifully shot/framed (at least). There are remarkable Ford pictures nobody ever speaks of (he did a lot of non-westerns for Fox, too, comedies, historical dramas, and so on) which is the real shame here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, publicist said: I desperately tried to get that movie but all i saw was a standard 50's John Wayne oater I can't stand John Wayne. Never understood the appeal. At least I'm glad Cinefix differentiates between the Revisionist Western (or Anti-Western) and the Italian Spaghetti Western. I'm afraid my personal top 10 Western list would consists of nothing else but the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I certainly remember the Anthony Mann/James Stewart westerns form my childhood (not to mention euro Karl May 'westerns') and love weird genre crossings (mexican revolutionary things like 'Il Mercenario' or 'Giu la Testa', or Peckinpah's 'Cable Hogue') in addition to canon stuff so my list would grow fairly large regardless of being not a fan of the genre. The addition of 'Star Wars' seems crappy stunt casting, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, publicist said: not to mention euro Karl May 'westerns' Winnetou Cinematic Universe is better than everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 And makes you hungry for another visit to Croatia's Plitvice lakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Shh! It's Silbersee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, publicist said: (not to mention euro Karl May 'westerns') I believe they were especially popular in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Yeah, like Karl May they came from Germany, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Omen II said: Shane has one of the best movie villains in Jack Palance, as well as a great Victor Young score and beautiful cinematography. The child actor (Brandon de Wilde) died young in a road traffic accident. My favourite Clint Eastwood western is The Outlaw Josey Wales. I reckon so. You like my hair? I had it done Clint Eastwood style. You see Outlaw Yosey Wales? Heh, heh, what a flick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 6 hours ago, The Original said: That VistaVision process is sublime. And yet - as a process of shooting live-action - it went out almost as soon as it came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Koray Savas said: I have nothing against Ford, but the Italian western is vastly superior to the American western. Even non-Leone ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: And yet - as a process of shooting live-action - it went out almost as soon as it came in. Funny that, since the sideways process is the same as a regular 35mm still camera anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Yeah, its not that much detailed than slow, Super-35mm/anamorphic photography, so people stopped bothering with it. Also, in the days prior to digital projection, you couldn't project VistaVision, so you had to print it unto 35mm, a process during which it would lose much of its luster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I feel like Koray hasn't seen enough US westerns to make any such sweeping determination. I like a small handful of the spaghetti ones, but really the US originals have an incomparable quality ratio advantage right across the board. Fabulin and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Koray Savas said: I have nothing against Ford, but the Italian western is vastly superior to the American western. This. I've only just started to delve into Westerns of all kinds this past year, but for me Spaghetti Westerns rule and are most definitely headlined by Sergio Leone's unmistakable craft. Yeah, they may not be as pretty to look at as the classic American Westerns (although Once Upon a Time in the West nails it with the ride through Monument Valley [even though John Ford did it first] accompanied by Morricone's main theme), but that doesn't mean they aren't well shot. In fact, Leone's cinematography is probably my greatest attraction to these films, with trademarking quick zooms, ridiculously awesome close-ups, and wide panning shots that often capture a climactic showdown. What's not to like? Interestingly, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly opens with a wide landscape-capturing shot interrupted by a close-up of a weathered and sunburnt old man (see below). It's masterful cinema in my opinion. Plus, Leone's ability to draw out a finale into 6+ minutes of suspenseful waiting is an unrivaled gift. And Morricone's respective scores are eternally memorable, and rightfully so. Of course, the plot can get a tad messy. Once Upon a Time in the West, considered Leone's masterpiece by some, was hardly as attractive as the Dollars Trilogy. It got caught up in unclear allegiances, confusing land rights, revenge stories that are remain indistinct for an extended period of time, and all that fun stuff. I'd wager tha the Dollars Trilogy is definitely the height of Leone's career, and collectively trumps Once Upon a Time in the West, as well as many other Westerns, both Italian and American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quintus 5,399 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: This. I've only just started to delve into Westerns of all kinds this past year, but for me Spaghetti Westerns rule and are most definitely headlined by Sergio Leone's unmistakable craft. Yeah, they may not be as pretty to look at as the classic American Westerns (although Once Upon a Time in the West nails it with the ride through Monument Valley [even though John Ford did it first] accompanied by Morricone's main theme), but that doesn't mean they aren't well shot. In fact, Leone's cinematography is probably my greatest attraction to these films, with trademarking quick zooms, ridiculously awesome close-ups, and wide panning shots that often capture a climactic showdown. What's not to like? Interestingly, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly opens with a wide landscape-capturing shot interrupted by a close-up of a weathered and sunburnt old man (see below). It's masterful cinema in my opinion. Plus, Leone's ability to draw out a finale into 6+ minutes of suspenseful waiting is an unrivaled gift. And Morricone's respective scores are eternally memorable, and rightfully so. Of course, the plot can get a tad messy. Once Upon a Time in the West, considered Leone's masterpiece by some, was hardly as attractive as the Dollars Trilogy. It got caught up in unclear allegiances, confusing land rights, revenge stories that are remain indistinct for an extended period of time, and all that fun stuff. I'd wager tha the Dollars Trilogy is definitely the height of Leone's career, and collectively trumps Once Upon a Time in the West, as well as many other Westerns, both Italian and American. To me this just sounds like a longer way of saying, "I recently watched a bunch of westerns and I loved the Sergio Leone ones, so based on that I now consider spaghetti westerns the greatest thing about an entire genre." The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Fabulin said: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance... no amount of riding through the desert doing camera tricks can substitute a script like this. I love a good script but it’s the lack of dialogue that makes Leone’s films superior. The story is told through the camera. The Illustrious Jerry and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Of course, the plot can get a tad messy. Once Upon a Time in the West, considered Leone's masterpiece by some, was hardly as attractive as the Dollars Trilogy. You can find little bits that don’t work in those films, too. The Italian-cut of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (marketed as the “extended cut”) definitely runs a bit too long, and it’s true of the unabridged cuts of quite a few of Leone’s films. I’m dreading the upcoming four-and-a-half hour cut of Once Upon a Time in America: there’s little to suggest that Leone ever meant for the film to run so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Criminy! I don't know if it's a strange sort of nationalism or just downright stubbornness, but why the massive disregard and disapproval of spaghetti westerns and their fans? I'm surprised, and yet I'm not. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 Mr. Spaghetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 1:44 PM, John said: You’re right, I personally prefer ravioli westerns. I personally switched to Spaghettini few years ago. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 "I'm all outta Spaghetti" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Mr. Spaghetti Those Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill movies were great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 I dunno, I always wanted to be Terence Hill, not Bud Spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 So did I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Weirdos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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