Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 They came back in a time machine that you invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Dimensional travel or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Interdimensional beings in point of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Oh, shit. There goes the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 hours ago, The Original said: Anything modern or avant garde is Kryptonite to a JW fanatic. Haha like this? and how do John Williams fanatics do with Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Yavar The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Haha like this? and how do John Williams fanatics do with Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Yavar 1-2 scores against dozens that defined much of Goldsmith's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Dieter Stark said: How did they have sequels to the second movie? I remember it ends with the planet being destroyed and the narrator from The Haunted Mansion. “During the events of the preceding film Beneath the Planet of the Apes, occurring off-screen, Cornelius (Roddy McDowall) and Zira(Kim Hunter) escaped Earth prior to its destruction when they accompanied their fellow chimpanzee Dr. Milo (Sal Mineo) in testing the salvaged and repaired spaceship originally used by Taylor. The shock wave of Earth's destruction sends the ship through a time warp that brings the apes to 1973 Earth, splashing down off the Pacific coast of the United States.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_the_Planet_of_the_Apes 9 minutes ago, The Original said: 1-2 scores against dozens that defined much of Goldsmith's career. Still more than enough to disprove your claim that “anything modern or avant garde is kryptonite” to Williams fans. Hell, even Star Wars of all things has its share of modern avant garde music — just listen to the stuff he wrote for the Sand People! And despite Goldsmith being like 3-4 times as prolific as Williams, I think you might be hard pressed to actually list “dozens” of avant garde scores that defined Goldsmith’s career. How many dozens can you list? Two? And the avant garde stuff in Images is weirder than all of them. Yavar The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: “During the events of the preceding film Beneath the Planet of the Apes, occurring off-screen, Cornelius (Roddy McDowall) and Zira(Kim Hunter) escaped Earth prior to its destruction when they accompanied their fellow chimpanzee Dr. Milo (Sal Mineo) in testing the salvaged and repaired spaceship originally used by Taylor. The shock wave of Earth's destruction sends the ship through a time warp that brings the apes to 1973 Earth, splashing down off the Pacific coast of the United States.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_the_Planet_of_the_Apes Still more than enough to disprove your claim that “anything modern or avant garde is kryptonite” to Williams fans. Hell, even Star Wars of all things has its share of modern avant garde music — just listen to the stuff he wrote for the Sand People! And despite Goldsmith being like 3-4 times as prolific as Williams, I think you might be hard pressed to actually list “dozens” of avant garde scores that defined Goldsmith’s career. How many dozens can you list? Two? And the avant garde stuff in Images is weirder than all of them. Yavar If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,313 Posted July 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2019 Not sure this release is for me, but it's so damn good seeing LLL continue to enhance their standing in the (admittedly niche) field of soundtrack expansions. Frankly, it's not even a contest at this point -- they are simply the best at what they do (not that the work being done by the good folks at Intrada, Varese, etc. isn't noteworthy, but LLL are just on another level with these marquee releases). The more diverse the range of franchises covered, the stronger their resume and standing amongst film fans, which means greater awareness for a smaller industry. That can only be a positive thing for the future of film score expansions, methinks. Bayesian, The Five Tones and BrotherSound 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: Haha like this? and how do John Williams fanatics do with Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Yavar @Yavar Moradi, please see my #1 entry on the "your top 5 JW scores" thread. Also, if all these off screen events happen during BTPOTA, then David Watson salvages Taylor's ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Is there anyone who is only interested in purchasing the scores by Rosenman and Scott? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Jeff Bond says: Quote So here's one of my favorite projects to work on, ever--and it's only the first of this year from this label! Jerry Goldsmith's brilliant Planet of the Apes, FINALLY done correctly with every overlay and echoplex where it should be thanks to Neil S. Bulk and Mike Matessino, and sounding stellar--along with all the other original Ape movie scores, complete and in fantastic sound (and lovingly designed by Dan Goldwasser). Michael V Gerhard mentioned wanting to do this something like 10 years ago if not longer, and now it's finally here, so get your stinking paws on it! Not only is it a fantastic honor to work on La-La Land Record's 500th release, but my very first liner notes gig was for the 1997 Varese release of Planet of the Apes--so this marks an anniversary for me too... Quote Quote I have so many editions of the original! This is the last one you'll ever need... Quote Quote This edition is comprehensive, but I have always found the sound quality to be wanting. I thought that perhaps the 1968 Masters were showing their age. Is the LaLa Land edition substantially improved ? Yes. The Varese release was also missing overlays and had other issues. https://www.facebook.com/jeffc.bond/posts/10217390496887864 Ollie and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, Richard said: @Yavar Moradi, please see my #1 entry on the "your top 5 JW scores" thread. ditto Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Echoplex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, The Original said: If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right. So...you're being "morally right" in your claim that "Anything modern or avant garde is Kryptonite to a JW fanatic." And I'm "missing the forest for the trees" and wasting time on semantics by pointing out that you are obviously wrong in your blanket statement? Ooooookay then. It amazes me sometimes how film music fans, whether they like Williams or not, act like is music is all easy tunes. He used modern writing *all the time* in his film scores, even many of the obviously "populist" ones like even Star Wars (the Sand People music, as I mentioned -- it's practically out of Planet of the Apes!) or Indiana Jones (*how* long in Raiders of the Lost Ark before we hear an actual theme, in the score?) 56 minutes ago, Richard said: @Yavar Moradi, please see my #1 entry on the "your top 5 JW scores" thread. My point exactly -- many Williams fans clearly have no problem with modernist writing if they rate Close Encounters highly, as you do. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: Echoplex? Yes! A technique Jerry used to great effect in Planet of the Apes, ALIEN, Patton, and other scores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echoplex Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: My point exactly -- many Williams fans clearly have no problem with modernist writing if they rate Close Encounters highly, as you do. I like the first half of that score much more than the second half. 14 minutes ago, Jay said: Yes! A technique Jerry used to great effect in Planet of the Apes, ALIEN, Patton, and other scores You should rather enumerate the scores that do NOT feature an echoplex. The Five Tones and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I like it because it's got both the first and second half - an evolution, an arc, not just stuck in one style. Too much of the first half would be too much. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The last two are Prequels i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Sort of in a sense; films 3-5 take place before the original two films due to time travel Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 All films except the first one (and maybe the third one, due to the ironic thematic eversion) are irrelevant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Is it really avant garde or is it just kooky 60s music for a monkey movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 As an adjective, it means "favoring or introducing experimental or unusual ideas." I'd say that generally applies to the series' music, particularly to the hugely groundbreaking first score. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,480 Posted July 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2019 We tested the scores of those movies on actual monkeys. The result: same reaction as normal humans! The Illustrious Jerry, Brundlefly, Holko and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Whoa! Ease off the the HRT there, Bes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Bespin said: We tested the scores of those movies on actual monkeys. The result: same reaction as normal humans! Truly hilarious! Hahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The series was undoubtedly of declining quality as it wore on (and into a TV spinoff) but it the idea of a series arc, time-travel prequels, near future dystopias, Twilight Zone-twists, retroactive continuity, class/race allegory, etc. all in one package was groundbreaking. All of those things seem commonplace now in the glut of science fiction actioners we have, but Apes was unique at the time. Even Dr. Who wasn't that sophisticated in its storytelling at the time. As great as some of the rebooted films are (let's not talk about Tim Burton), they are still in the shadow of the originals... dated and increasingly low budget as they may seem. I'm also curious to know how many other feature films have a score featuring a 12-tone theme (the first film). Whether or not it's your cup of tea, that was also radical. (There are earlier and later examples, including David Shire's dystopic funk for the original Taking of Pelham One Two Three. Yavar Moradi and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/17/2019 at 12:56 AM, publicist said: POTA has some great weird percussion effects ('The Search', 'The Forbidden Zone') that are still pretty cool. Almost doped. But the more conventional orchestral parts ('Crash Landing') tend to get on my nerves. I agree. The percussion is really jarring but in good way. I think the OST and film version are different recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 APES why did it have to be Apes?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I don’t know about apes, but Gorillas are superior to men regardings hugs, many woman could tell you that! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Stop this monkey business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Fox the fox. Rat on the rat. You can ape the ape; I know about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 You better drink your soup and eat the oranges... for the sake of that little monkey you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 "Parrot"?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 From the FSM thread Quote 1. These titles will most likely never be sold individually so forget about notion (and if they do it won't be for a very very long time). 2. The sound is incredible on these 5 scores. Mike and Neil did an amazing job remastering and fixing past mistakes/overlooked issues! 3. I posted all the covers on our facebook page Just waiting on the boxes to come in so we can package everything up. Hopefully we will start shipping before end of the month. Fingers crossed MV Here are said individual covers: Spoiler https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords/posts/10157788898653755?__xts__[0]=68.ARAk2zTgXG9ygOfON1kBHA5WDITSh6jrtdgH9weqUTFM__s4UPvW-k15kLAweBwAitZmun1Y08iDOWMDYCM29DkZcS-KGHBbXIjKJqc7FOgBZ6VNVy4BN01tn11NLCdFqn96jqEhygXjpxjcwCwyeYyMHMXkTO3u4Wc4eZ_5Mk9UHKElOAzZKFNJs-meX1lzllH4pk06jsMS3RwCMXSBq3yaZQalrjcO8fn4INh5nVpsEeHXBdnxPuYGovIFgSocXVbIiADUpGVtfFOgPar6KjPuD0CuvkV15t7C_i5np8dN3ydzEVOb_lpyoMhX54_6Oz21Ys2EwuEt1sxUOA&__tn__=-R Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 This thing's gonna be bigger than Planet of the Apes. That wasn't one of my predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Dan Goldwasser did good work on this set, obviously. But user steffromuk over at the FSM board has, for me, a super cool and more stylistically consistent cover set: Quote I guess it's a good time to repost my comprehensive cover series. The last one being a wish Spoiler Planet of the Apes Beneath the Planet of the Apes Escape from the Planet of the Apes Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Battle for the Planet of the Apes Planet of the Apes - TV Series Return to the Planet of the Apes (Animated TV Series) Pretty damn cool, IMO! Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 There's just too many apes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Ma-ma? Ma-ma? Mama. Mama. Mama. Mama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I understand they won't sell a lot of copies of some of these without packaging them all together. But it's a shame cause I would like to buy the first one if I had the option. Buying the whole box would be a massive stretch for me, just isn't gonna happen. It looks like a great set though, and I know the original 5 films have a very devoted cult following, so I'm kinda excited for this on behalf of those people, haha. The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 8:59 PM, Jay said: SCORE PRESENTATION1. Main Title (Film Version) 2:18 2. Crash Landing 6:53 3. The Searchers 2:30 4. The Search 4:595. The Clothes Snatchers (Film Version) 3:13 6. The Hunt 5:13 7. A New Mate 1:088. The Revelation (Film Version) 3:22 9. No Escape (Film Version) 5:42 10. The Trial 1:4911. New Identity (Film Version) 2:28 12. A Bid For Freedom (Film Version) 2:40 13. The Forbidden Zone (Film Version) 3:27 14. The Intruders 1:1215. The Cave (Film Version) 1:23 16. The Revelation – Finale 3:22 ORIGINAL 1968 SOUNDTRACK ALBUM17. Main Title 2:1418. The Revelation 1:38 19. The Clothes Snatchers 2:4020. New Identity 2:06 21. The Forbidden Zone 2:54 22. The Search 4:5823. The Cave 1:2124. A Bid For Freedom 1:23 25. A New Mate 1:0826. No Escape 5:18 Can someone tell me what the difference is between all these film/album versions? Are most of them just unedited/edited alternatives or different takes or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 The original album never included overlays and echoplex that the film itself did use, and the albums versions were just carried over to the subsequent Intrada and Varese CDs rather than anyone grabbing those overlays..... until now! On 7/17/2019 at 11:06 AM, Jay said: Jeff Bond says: Quote So here's one of my favorite projects to work on, ever--and it's only the first of this year from this label! Jerry Goldsmith's brilliant Planet of the Apes, FINALLY done correctly with every overlay and echoplex where it should be thanks to Neil S. Bulk and Mike Matessino, and sounding stellar--along with all the other original Ape movie scores, complete and in fantastic sound (and lovingly designed by Dan Goldwasser). Michael V Gerhard mentioned wanting to do this something like 10 years ago if not longer, and now it's finally here, so get your stinking paws on it! Not only is it a fantastic honor to work on La-La Land Record's 500th release, but my very first liner notes gig was for the 1997 Varese release of Planet of the Apes--so this marks an anniversary for me too... Quote Quote I have so many editions of the original! This is the last one you'll ever need... Quote Quote This edition is comprehensive, but I have always found the sound quality to be wanting. I thought that perhaps the 1968 Masters were showing their age. Is the LaLa Land edition substantially improved ? Yes. The Varese release was also missing overlays and had other issues. https://www.facebook.com/jeffc.bond/posts/10217390496887864 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jay said: The original album never included overlays and echoplex that the film itself did use, and the albums versions were just carried over to the subsequent Intrada and Varese CDs rather than anyone grabbing those overlays..... until now! And as I understand it the album also used different takes for some cues. So this is the first time all of the performance actually heard in the film is being released. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 So we need to wait to see what exactly the differences are... And jerrygoldsmithonline should really update their news ticker. They're so slow. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: So we need to wait to see what exactly the differences are... I mean, you can watch the movie to hear the difference, or listen to the samples on LLL's site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: So we need to wait to see what exactly the differences are... And jerrygoldsmithonline should really update their news ticker. They're so slow. JG hasn't been online for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: JG hasn't been online for years... GNU Jerry Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: GNU Jerry Goldsmith I don't quite see the similarity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 No thanks, we got a cue called "The Hunt" 29 years later that was better. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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