Will it ever happen?: Mike Matessino's STAR WARS: ORIGINAL TRILOGY Collector's Set

[crumbs 14,287]

Wasn't that talk only last October? The set must be years away if they were only in the "conversation phase" 9 months ago.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

By the way, @crumbs, your voting options are not exhaustive!

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

1 hour ago, Fabulin said:

I am on it. Once I finish the official first draft, I will create a separate thread to discuss details. We will need lots of voices within the community to do this right. I think we could even get some FSM-ers and other outsiders on board once we get rolling.

 

Gimme a couple of days to think and research.

 

Just make a petition at change.org! My petition to give JW a cameo in TRoS was highly successful!

[crumbs 14,287]

12 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

By the way, @crumbs, your voting options are not exhaustive!

 

Please explain.

[Bayesian 1,353]

1 hour ago, Fabulin said:

I am on it. Once I finish the official first draft, I will create a separate thread to discuss details. We will need lots of voices within the community to do this right. I think we could even get some FSM-ers and other outsiders on board once we get rolling.

 

Gimme a couple of days to think and research.

Thanks Fabulin! I have a couple ideas about how to structure the letter and write an opening paragraph that will help ensure the reader keeps on reading. But I’ll save such comments for the new thread.

[Jay 37,263]

3 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Makes me wonder how something like TPM UE slipped through the cracks. Presumably Williams wasn't even told, because there's no way in hell he would've listened to that release and approved it (like that A.I. Academy promo he was reportedly furious about).

 

Oh there have certainly been tons of releases Williams had no involvement in whatsoever; Certainly the TPM UE and also some of those old FSM CDs like Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Goldfarb, Cat Dancing, etc - and certainly most recent stuff squeeked out too like Quartet's Heidi and Tom Sawyer.  Going forward, I doubt we will ever see another Williams catalog release that wasn't both handled by Matessino and approved by JW.  Tom Sawyer should be the last one that wasn't.

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

I wonder if JW approved Kritzerland's The Missouri Breaks.

[Jay 37,263]

I doubt it

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

Yeah, I reckon Bill Ross did it.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

 

[Jay 37,263]

Yes, I know it says that

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

A lie?

[Jay 37,263]

A contractual obligation!

[Holko 9,491]

A blatant lie and factual false advertisement.

 

I've never seen that. Fuck Sony.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I like that album. Sadly, this item does not appear in Spotify records, so it does not exist.

[Dr. Rick 1,155]

51 minutes ago, Dieter Stark said:

A lie?

 An error

 

[Nick Parker 3,040]

I enjoyed the Star Wars movies growing up, but as an adult? Leia in Return of the Jedi, the obvious racial stereotypes portrayed by characters like Nien Numb? The whitewashing of science fiction? They're just too culturally problematic to show to my children. 

[Holko 9,491]

4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said:

Leia in Return of the Jedi

With her coke nail especially!

[Nick Parker 3,040]

1 minute ago, Holko said:

With her coke nail especially!

 

It's her life, her choice! Did her recreational choices impact you in any way? No? Then why act like you know what's best for a woman to live, like I do? I don't give a fuck about that or the sometimes violent and disturbing imagery in these films or any of that shit. I just can't bear to have my children see a woman objectified so brazenly. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

But she's objectified by a bad guy. A slug. Your children will understand that's not a good thing.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I don't think he only 'objectified' her...

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

They probably watched movies together too.

[Holko 9,491]

RotJ is very ahead of its time with its portrayal of Weinstein. SW and ESB are actually more problematic with their portrayal of desert savages and ugly working class little people slaves, respectively.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

16 minutes ago, Holko said:

RotJ is very ahead of its time with its portrayal of Weinstein. SW and ESB are actually more problematic with their portrayal of desert savages and ugly working class little people slaves, respectively.

 

The movie at least had the nerves to show a woman (white, naturally ) break free from a typical cishet male power fantasy, but later reneges on her strength by subjugating her to a just as typical love interest for the male lead, and a cliched maternal role for the Ewoks. Of all the things to fix, Lucas, you leave patriarchal power dynamics untouched at the turn of the century? No wonder you lost it.... 

[Arpy 4,145]

The Phantom Menace is so socially and culturally aware and prescient in its portrayal of Asians and people of colour in a space setting.

[Datameister 2,034]

Are y'all seriously making fun of folks who want everyone to feel represented in film? What is so wrong with that?

[Holko 9,491]

Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point actually. I myself watched Godzilla a few weeks ago and it infuriated me to no end that it had no white people I could empathise with (Raymond Burr cut doesn't count), so I was just bored the whole thing was shit.

[Datameister 2,034]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point actually. I myself watched Godzilla a few weeks ago and it infuriated me to no end that it had no white people I could empathise with (Raymond Burr cut doesn't count), so I was just bored the whole thing was shit.

 

Sarcasm aside, obviously someone can see someone of a different race/gender/orientation/etc. and strongly empathize with them. We are all just people.

 

That being said, if the vast majority of entertainment media around me had never featured many (or sometimes any) instances of sympathetic, capable characters who happened to be white/male/hetero/etc. like me, I can see how that would start to feel like something was wrong systemically, like there was a collective implication (even if completely inadvertent) that people who shared many of my traits were somehow "less than." Especially if in the real world I regularly experienced disrespectful behavior on the basis of those traits - or were at increased risk for violence because of them.

[Giftheck 916]

Not this kind of click-bait thread title again...

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

2 hours ago, Datameister said:

Are y'all seriously making fun of folks who want everyone to feel represented in film? What is so wrong with that?

 

Of course not. The jokes are actually referencing a post from the Indiana Jones thread.

[Datameister 2,034]

4 minutes ago, Dieter Stark said:

 

Of course not. The jokes are actually referencing a post from the Indiana Jones thread.

 

As I recall, the post simply mentioned TOD having racial problems, which is true...or are you referring to another post?

[phbart 609]

On 7/18/2019 at 11:24 AM, crumbs said:

Are Disney Records able to proceed with expansions of the scores without JW's approval? Couldn't he just refuse to authorize any release that didn't have Matessino producing it, or does Williams effectively have no legal control of the SW scores?

 

ie. Disney can do whatever they want without gaining his approval (even though it would obviously cost them any working relationship with Williams in the future).

 

Kathleen Kennedy kind of said she won't do anything about the OT without defer to Lucas.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-lucasfilm-no-plans-restore-theatrical-cut-original-trilogy/

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"I wouldn't touch those, are you kidding me? [laughs] Those will always remain his."

I guess it's safe to say she has the same line of thinking about the music as well. So, when Disney decides to green-light the project, she will definitelly go to JW, which in turn, will go to MMM. What concerns me is how Disney will approach the project. Are they gonna give MM the freedom he has when working with specialty labels?

 

 

23 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

I wonder if JW approved Kritzerland's The Missouri Breaks.

I don't have this one. Is there anything wrong with it?

[Jay 37,263]

Yes, there should be no difference - from a music program standpoint.  Packaging, cover art, liner notes, and the ability to release it digitally/streaming would be what separates this from a boutique label release... not the musical program.

[phbart 609]

That's a relief (for me, at least). I can live with a packing and cover art not having the special touch we are used to. Not having MM's linear notes wouldn't be cool at all, but I could still live with it. It's a good trade, if it means having more control and freedom about the musical program.

 

I was affraid that the terms "film version", "alternate" and etc would be too confusing for them. I can imagine them going like "Why does it have 3 versions of the 'same' music here??? Just put what's heard in the film and that's it. Go back to your cell!"

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

38 minutes ago, phbart said:

I don't have this one. Is there anything wrong with it?

 

Not that I know, except for bad contrast between the font and the background picture for the tracklisting on the back cover!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

On 7/18/2019 at 5:14 PM, crumbs said:

Please explain.

Not all possible options are covered.

[phbart 609]

4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Not that I know, except for bad contrast between the font and the background picture for the tracklisting on the back cover!

I see. I thought it was a sound quality problem.

 

Or a music they didn't include from the Universal "Missouri Breaks" ride... case they have one.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Hello. I'm Steven Spielberg and it's my pleasure to welcome you to the Missouri Breaks Adventure.

[Arpy 4,145]

9 hours ago, Datameister said:

 

As I recall, the post simply mentioned TOD having racial problems, which is true...or are you referring to another post?

What racial problems? 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It's got Indians in it

[Datameister 2,034]

1 hour ago, Arpy said:

What racial problems? 

 

Do you not find that the film's most notable portrayals of Indian culture, cuisine, and religious practices are inaccurate and insulting? When you've got a group of people who've often been discriminated against or reduced to stereotypes, it seems pretty unhelpful to build your film around making them the cruel, grotesque "other." (This is where some people bring up the Nazis. But people chose - choose  - to become part of that group, whose ideology is the very definition of grotesque cruelty.)

[Arpy 4,145]

That's flatly untrue @Datameister there was the Thuggee cult that were the main antagonists.

What of the village of Indian people who alerted Indy to the Cult's villainy and that their children had been kidnapped and forced into child slavery? 

In either case, it's a fictional portrayal of a particular culture, in a particular time. 

[crumbs 14,287]

Okay... so, anyway...

 

After evaluating the spectograms, it appears Disney reused the existing OST master (possibly even the Sony scan) for the Jabba the Hutt concert suite. Are we to presume that master tape is indeed lost, as speculated years ago?

[Datameister 2,034]

22 minutes ago, Arpy said:

That's flatly untrue @Datameister there was the Thuggee cult that were the main antagonists.

What of the village of Indian people who alerted Indy to the Cult's villainy and that their children had been kidnapped and forced into child slavery? 

In either case, it's a fictional portrayal of a particular culture, in a particular time. 

 

It's a fictional portrayal of a culture that never existed at any time.

 

The wildly inaccurate portrayal of the Thugs isn't the only problem. The dinner scene is pretty cringe-worthy, too. And not because I'm grossed out, but because it's like, "Haha, look, Indians eat monkey brains and big-ass beetles, aren't they weird." That's the tone that comes across. I'm aware of some assertions that it was meant to be ironic - that they were only serving that food to make fun of their visitors' misconceptions - but I'm not entirely convinced that was the intention, nor do I think the final cut of the film reads that way at all.

 

The villagers are certainly a lot more sympathetic, but they're just in the film briefly to set up the main adventure. I don't think they're the average moviegoer's main memory of the Indian people in the film. The big heroes are Indy and the British colonialists who save the day. Yikes.

 

It's all well and good to write fiction, but a lot of people don't like being on the receiving end of that sort of othering, especially when it inflames existing stereotypes and injustices. Fiction helps subtly shape real-world attitudes. No one's going to start lowering people into pits of lava after watching a film like this because it's obviously wrong, but we've all got at least some degree of subconscious racial bias, and this sort of thing can subtly strengthen that, especially in the absence of substantive exposure to the culture being fictionalized.

 

Anyway, yes, I believe the most recent information we have is that the full original recording of that suite is lost, @crumbs. It's too bad. I'd really like the whole thing to be on a future release.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Oh Christ!

[crumbs 14,287]

16 minutes ago, Datameister said:

 

Anyway, yes, I believe the most recent information we have is that the full original recording of that suite is lost, @crumbs. It's too bad. I'd really like the whole thing to be on a future release.

 

That is thoroughly shit news. But if I trusted anyone to find it, it's gotta be Mike. Same with the bloody Max Rebo source music.

 

The real headfuck with ROTJ is how you even present a comprehensive expanded release of that score now. Between the original version and special editions, you have so many differing versions of cues (mostly source music) but even the revised finale is different in the film version compared to the SE. Even more annoyingly, the true film version of Ewok Celebration wasn't even included on the Anthology set (despite having a cue designated 'Film Version'!) so who knows how that will be handled... Mike's got his work cut out for him.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

The Max Rebo cue is enormously important to me. Any set dubbed archival would not be deserving of the name if it did not include Max Rebo!

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

May I ask why it's so important to you? Did it accompany some defining moment of your life?

[Nick Parker 3,040]

How do you feel about artificial intelligence, the whole gaining sentience and all that, @Datameister?

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

Seeing Max Rebo grooving on the red ball jett organ inspired me to play the organ. For that reason I have a very strong personal and emotional connection to Max. Plus, he's pretty darn cute!