Thor 7,491 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Again, couldn't find any previous thread. Feel free to merge if one exists. So I just saw this. I'm embargoed untill tomorrow at 3PM Pacific Time, so I can't say very much. I quite liked it, and it's in my top 20 of the year (so far), but it's not on the level of the previous film and its glorious, operatic 'violence fantasy'. Some other things detract from the experience, like the score. Terrible, even in his arrangements of the Goldsmith quotes. Tyler simply doesn't know how to do dynamics in action sequences; it's a non-stop noisefest with drums going wild. It's strange, because he CAN do it (for example in a beautiful score such as STANDING UP), but somehow he goes completely bonkers in action movies. I'll chime in later with more specific comments; there's a lot to say. Just wanted to give a first impression, directly after getting home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,340 Posted September 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2019 There's no thread because nobody cares about this score, Thor. Kasey Kockroach, MikeH, John and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 And they would be right. Very few positive things to say about it. But the film is interesting, for better or worse. Would appreciate a bit of discussion in a couple of days, when the film has premiered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,597 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I quite liked the three preview cues Tyler sent over to include in our podcast conversation:http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1693987-odyssey-interviews-brian-tyler I mean, obviously not a patch on any of Goldsmith's three scores, but I don't get the hate, and I was glad to hear him incorporate Jerry's action motif. Maybe after I hear the rest of the album I'll agree with you, but based on those first three tracks, I don't. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 The film has some bizarre musical decisions. There is, in particular, a crucial bit towards the very end (well, kinda after the film has finished) that literally SCREAMED for a rendition of "It's a Long Road", but where they inexplicably opted for generic Tyler action bombast instead. The only good things I have to say about the score -- after having only heard it once in context, true -- are the references to Goldsmith's sole trumpet Americana (recalling the battle calls of a war long gone). There are a couple of statements of that. But the rest -- shockingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Is it so shocking though, considering who's the composer? Kasey Kockroach and gkgyver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 7:28 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Is it so shocking though, considering who's the composer? Perhaps not. But he has done some nice scores in the past (usually calmer stuff), and I keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. To expound a bit about one thing I vaguely mentioned earlier: Spoiler The film ends with a montage with scenes from the previous films. It is incomprehensible that they didn't do some variation of "It's a Long Road" here, opting instead for generic, bombastic Tylerisms. Wasn't it supposed to be a moving ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,428 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I like a few of Tyler's action scores: Eagle Eye, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Into the Storm and specially Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (so much fun!). But most of the time I just listen to a few selected cues, like Decimation Proclamation from AvPR or the Nick's Theme from The Mummy. On the past few years it seemed that he was diversifying his career, scoring stuff that's very much not in the action/fantasy genre like What Men Want, Yellowstone and Crazy Rich Asians (and I really liked his score for CRA). But now, after his "break", he is returning to the action blockbusters, and I don't expect Last Blood, Charlie's Angels or F&F 9 to be that much better of what he has delivered on the past. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Even Steve Jablonsky's Turtles score was better than Tyler's. Fargo and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,428 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I think Tyler's TMNT is so much fun! Particularly this track from 2:49 to the end, which combines choir and orchestra in a really fun and thrilling way: Much to my surprise, I remember liking Jablonsky's score for the sequel when it came out, but today I can't remember a single thing about it. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 That's just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Aw, crap, I didn't realize Tyler was scoring this! My interest in this movie just dropped several man-made ditch traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Ain't that true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 @Edmilson Sounds like Henry Jackman, Ramin Djawadi, Hans Zimmer and Steve Jablonsky rolled into one... ...OH WAIT! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Oh, the guy who messaged me on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted September 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Oh, the guy who messaged me on Facebook. Quote "From Brian Tyler" Yavar Moradi, Bayesian and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 It seems they're painting themselves into a corner with the title of this film. What will the title of the next installment be - Laster Blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 The New Blood Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 No blood. Who is this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 You'll instantly be transported to 2019 and those Indians won't even be there. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Rambo fighting the ghouls and demons on an ancient indian burial ground: the first Rambo horror film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Aren't most of them horrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Maybe he should fight an alien in the Arctic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Rambo: Aliens in the Arctic Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Aren't most of them horrible? The first is a great, classic film. I enjoy 2 and 3 for what they are (i.e. products of their time), but that's about it. 4 was actually a good film, while 5 now is decent+. But I would not rate any of them 'horrible'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 My favorite review of Last Blood so far Sweeping Strings and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 While Rambo himself couldn't just turn it off, when it comes to Brian Tyler's Last Blood score, you'll want to refrain from even pressing play before it ultimately comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Owh no a shit score by Tyler, who would have seen that coming... Remember that interview he did claiming what he loved most about his job is when he attends a screening and after the movie was done people would be humming the music and that this happened more than once. Liar. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 I don't want to participate in any Brian Tyler 'hatewagon'. He's done some good scores over the years, like STANDING UP, YELLOWSTONE or TRANSFORMERS: PRIME. But he needs to tone down his LOUDNESS in action films. I know he likes drums (and thinks he's a good drummer himself, although he's fairly mediocre), but there are other ways to approach an action film than just sheer loudness. I saw him live in London last year (got a free ticket, would not have gone otherwise), and this energetic glee was on display again. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself (energy is good!), but it completely undermines any dynamic range in the music itself. RAMBO: LAST BLOOD is a good example of that. It probably also has something to do with the director Adrian Grünberg. Unlike the last Rambo film, directed by Stallone himself, the film lacks visionary qualities. So even though Tyler's score for RAMBO was rather bad, it was better than this. At least it had some tasteful uses of Goldsmith's music, probably communicated by Stallone. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Isn't he a dime a dozen composer, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Isn't he a dime a dozen composer, though? Yes and no. When he's on, he's quite good. When he's off, he is indeed 'dime a dozen'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Sly never really had much passion for his Rambo movies like he did for Rocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Thor said: I know he likes drums (and thinks he's a good drummer himself, although he's fairly mediocre) What, in your opinion, is the difference between a good drummer and a mediocre drummer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Keeping the beat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, Jay said: What, in your opinion, is the difference between a good drummer and a mediocre drummer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Jay said: What, in your opinion, is the difference between a good drummer and a mediocre drummer? Many things. First and foremost adding a dynamic range to your drumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 What do you mean by dynamic range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jay said: What do you mean by dynamic range? That explains everything! Holko, Unlucky Bastard, gkgyver and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Hahahahaha!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Hehe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I know what dynamic range means, I am asking what Thor meant in the context of his description of a good drummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Being able to drum both soft and loud, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Probably, but it wouldn't hurt for Thor to clarify what he meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 He's probably busy listening to his OST collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,491 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Being able to drum both soft and loud, I guess. Yes, that's it. The ability to play drums like any other instrument, with ebbs and flows, almost as if had pitch and melody. Phil Collins is great at this. There's more to drumming than just hitting the beats, frenetically, with the occasional syncopation (which is basically the limit of Tyler's abilities). Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Thor, what do you mean by playing drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,428 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Tyler has a major talent to get Goldsmith's theme and make it sound like it comes straight from one of his Marvel movies. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Yes! Exactly that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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