ymenard 54 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 There is some awesome work in the deep-bass percussion notes on that album, it shakes the room. Keep the mastering as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 All jokes aside, parts of the OST were way too quiet compared to the film mix, i.e. the first 2 minutes of "Pre-Crime To The Rescue" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: One is called "The Ad-Mall" as is used, well, under the ads in the mall I could really use a Guinness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 Once again must applaud LLL for their efforts at putting definitive presentations of scores out there. As an enthusiast of this later era Williams they've been especially generous to me. There is so much material in film music that deserves to be heard but sits in a drawer. Glad they're making it happen. The Illustrious Jerry, Disco Stu, crumbs and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, Dixon Hill said: Once again must applaud LLL for their efforts at putting definitive presentations of scores out there. As an enthusiast of this later era Williams they've been especially generous to me. There is so much material that deserves to be heard. Glad they're making it happen. Yes! Such a great creative period for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,308 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 I knew as the specialty labels moved through his catalog we'd get works from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and hopefully 90s, I never thought we'd get stuff like AI, HP1-3, and Minority Report so soon. It's really great to get an expansion of a score you love around 10-15 years later. Fans of some of his older work had to wait 20, 30, 40 years for definitive editions of those scores! Falstaft, 1977, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 ^Yep, and I'm one of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Terrific news, one of my all-time favourite scores by JW! I hope improved sound lets everyone else re-evaluate the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,308 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 For me honestly, these new expansions of scores always makes me re-evaluate them, and I always end up loving the scores more than I did before. As much as I've loved JW's music most of my life, there's still a bunch of his older works that I, for whatever reason, didn't ever make part of my recurring listening routine. But then the expansions came out, for scores like The Cowboys, Stanley & Iris, Dracula... and now they are absolutely part of my regular listening rotation, and I can't believe I didn't listen to them more before. Minority Report falls into the same category! I actually listened to that OST a lot more than the other 3 I mentioned, mostly because it came out when I was going to movies and listening to new scores, not some older score from before I was born like the others. But after an initial burst of excitement, I feel off. Then the session leak came out, which re-interested me again for a while... but then I fell off again. But now with finally a proper presentation in properly mastered sound, I finally *get* the score top to bottom, and listen to it regularly. Seeing the film again helped a lot, as I had forgotten most details about it after I initially saw it. Seeing the emotions on-screen of Anderton and his wife grieving over the loss of Sean and how that experience ties into the entire story being told really help gel the whole score together, at least for me. It's also impressive to me that JW did this directly after Attack of the Clones and just before Harry Potter 2 and Catch Me If You Can. What a fertile year! Incanus, Disco Stu, Chewy and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 21 hours ago, Jay said: They went with the cleanest poster for sure, the other two main posters are quite "busy" I made this custom cover way back in 2003 (don't judge - I was and remain a novice). Now I will finally have the music to go with it Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demondm810 399 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay said: For me honestly, these new expansions of scores always makes me re-evaluate them, and I always end up loving the scores more than I did before. As much as I've loved JW's music most of my life, there's still a bunch of his older works that I, for whatever reason, didn't ever make part of my recurring listening routine. But then the expansions came out, for scores like The Cowboys, Stanley & Iris, Dracula... and now they are absolutely part of my regular listening rotation, and I can't believe I didn't listen to them more before. AGREED Close Encounters, Dracula, and Cowboys are CONSTANTLY playing now. aescalle, BrotherSound and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: Seeing the emotions on-screen of Anderton and his wife grieving over the loss of Sean and how that experience ties into the entire story being told really help gel the whole score together, at least for me. Yeah, it's really that emotional core that anchors the score. All the more intense and moody material is fantastic, but the music around Anderton's loss is what makes the score a complete experience. The "A New Beginning" track (the one taken from the credits, yes) was a huge favorite of mine as a teenager, so the OST never left my rotation completely. And I was (and am) so so happy with the revised arrangement on the Spielberg/Williams Collaboration III. That plus Escapades plus Across the Stars and the concert arrangements in Chamber, a truly amazing year for both his scores and the concert arrangements derived therefrom. Good feelings all around! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,308 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Around the time of the film / OST's release, I probably just mostly listened to Syders and Anderton's Great Escape and didn't love much of anything else. Now I relish the entire experience, I don't really pick highlight tracks, I just go for the whole shebang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 My thoughts exactly. In fact I'll go a step further and declare that there are scores that I intentionally do not listen to very often, if at all, depending on how they sound, i.e. Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake, etc... Now, if these were to be remastered by MM in the future I will guarantee I'll purchase them and play them much more going forward! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,308 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Well the LLL Poseidon Adventure sounded better than the FSM one at least aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 This piece from Tchaikovsky is heard briefly in the movie, and it's so freaking brilliant. So peaceful, elegant, gorgeous. Almost like a balm for the soul. I heard it for the first time while watching the movie, and I've gained new appreciation for Tchaikovsky... I like to think that this piece (partially) inspired JW to write A New Beginning... The tone, the texture, as well as the orchestration, is rather similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Terrific news and definetly a big blip on my expansion radar. Excited to eventually add this to my collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Well I must admit the leaked sessions didn't do much to make me like this score better but I'll still give it a chance. Like there wasn't any super unreleased highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 It’s the kind of expansion that mostly just deepens the appreciation for those of us who already love the score. But I’m sure it’ll make some new fans too! Matt S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 493 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 This is one of those scores I've only listened to maybe 2 or 3 times. I'm looking forward to exploring it further. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 It's got some really good highlights for me, and makes an excellent 40 minute or so album, divided between the emotional Sean material, and the action highlights. The parts of the score that do nothing for me are the underscore parts such as the Dr Eddie sequence and the greenhouse. I've tried so many times to find something interesting in those parts and just can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I've tried so many times to find something interesting in those parts and just can't. I can understand why you feel as you do, but The Greenhouse Effect is one of my favorite tracks on the album. Chockful of those patented Little Williams Moments. I love the chimes and overall bleakness of the beginning, and how it gradually opens up, eventually making way for the bizarre synth chime/harpsichord stuff. Then the mystery motif creeps in, changing the entire flow. And of course, the little string slide underscoring the moment when the old lady kisses Anderton...amongst other moments! I just think it captures this strange, abstract yet quiet intensity perfectly. This is one of the "deepest" Williams scores as far as marinating enveloping you in a mood. When I was in high school I remember listening to this score while reading Crime and Punishment, and the effect was just consuming. Mattris, Incanus, Romão and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 This and the Patriot are my two JW scores that are so underrated that I preach them like crazy to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Jay said: It's also impressive to me that JW did this directly after Attack of the Clones and just before Harry Potter 2 and Catch Me If You Can. What a fertile year! And he repeated the feat three years later in 2005 with four scores of equal quality: Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich, Revenge of the Sith and War of the Worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 I think for a lot of people, myself included, the problem with Minority Report score has nothing to do with the score as such but with the somewhat poorly put together album. Not only did it not sound great but the actual sequencing, editing and even running time work against it I really like the movie, it's one of the most underrated Spielberg films. True, it slightly betrays Philip K. Dick here and there in favour of a more audience-friendly experience. But as far as 21st century Spielberg goes, it is prime entertainment. I've seen bits and bobs of it quite recently and it looks just as fun as it was back in 2002. It has aged really well. I'm really excited about the set regardless of my reservation towards the original album. Karol Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,380 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: the somewhat poorly put together album I like the OST presentation Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,032 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: Not only did it not sound great Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,175 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, crocodile said: I think for a lot of people, myself included, the problem with Minority Report score has nothing to do with the score as such but with the somewhat poorly put together album. Not only did it not sound great but the actual sequencing, editing and even running time work against it Perhaps, but the poor sound (from Shawn Murphy's mushy period) has always been a major distraction for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 The sound is really not up to par. But given A. I.'s recent LLL release, i'm afraid there's not that much they can do. A. I. sounds significantly better, but still drenched in too much reverb/bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Some tracks from A.I. also have noticable hissing. I never paid attention to the allegedly bad sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,032 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 That's just Shawn saying shhh in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 @Nick Parker Really on point what you wrote about the ingenuity of The Greenhouse Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,175 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, publicist said: The sound is really not up to par. But given A. I.'s recent LLL release, i'm afraid there's not that much they can do. A. I. sounds significantly better, but still drenched in too much reverb/bass. At least the new A.I. sounds good enough for me to focus on the music without being bothered by the sound to the point of distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 18 hours ago, Josh500 said: This piece from Tchaikovsky is heard briefly in the movie, and it's so freaking brilliant. So peaceful, elegant, gorgeous. Almost like a balm for the soul. I heard it for the first time while watching the movie, and I've gained new appreciation for Tchaikovsky... I like to think that this piece (partially) inspired JW to write A New Beginning... The tone, the texture, as well as the orchestration, is rather similar. Did you also check the rest of Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony? It's truly one of the most beautiful symphonies of all times. The second theme of the first movement might be the grandfather of all the most lyrical love themes written for movie scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Some tracks from A.I. also have noticable hissing. I never paid attention to the allegedly bad sound. One of my favourite cues 'What is Your Wish?' has a faint hiss like the volume was turned way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,032 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Turn it down then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Don't all recordings have hiss (some less, some more)? I just listen to the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Shawn Murphy and JW were simply not a good collaboration. Bruce Botnick and JG, Shawn Murphy and JH...perfect. There are some exceptions to the rule, but historically, JW scores aren't recorded or mixed well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Score said: Did you also check the rest of Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony? It's truly one of the most beautiful symphonies of all times. The second theme of the first movement might be the grandfather of all the most lyrical love themes written for movie scores! Indeed I did. I was a fan of Tchaikovsky even before I knew of this piece, but listening to this gem made me admire and study his works even more. Somehow I'm convinced JW has a great admiration for him as well. In fact, the entire score of Home Alone could be considered an homage to Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 listening to Tchaikovsky 6th 1 st movement on you tube nope, JW writes better love themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, King Mark said: listening to Tchaikovsky 6th 1 st movement on you tube nope, JW writes better love themes The issue is not who is better. The point is, both are absolutely fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,221 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 WOW!!! THIS IS GREAT!!! I CANNOT WAIT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Only 3 pages for this awesome news ? What's happening here !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted October 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2019 Too busy discussing where to purchase Across the Stars... 😂 Deacon Blues, The Illustrious Jerry and Obi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,308 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Not much to talk about without a tracklist and samples Obi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Obi said: Only 3 pages for this awesome news ? What's happening here !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps I can extend the length of the conversation then... Jay, can we be sure this release is definitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,308 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 My lips are sealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,032 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Jay, did you do more than proofreading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,308 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 10:24 PM, Jurassic Shark said: That's just Shawn saying shhh in the background. So it was him in Catch Me If You Can? dun....da da da dun..... shh! dun....da da da dun..... shh! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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