Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[Chen G. 3,942]

31 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

If it was one every year or two It’d be fine but it constantly seems as if there’s one in the cinema. And if there isn’t there’s a bloody shit rushed DC attempt instead 

 

And even outside the superhero genre, Marvel’s brand of sarcastic comedy is overtaking the whole of Hollywood.

[publicist 4,643]

The whole 90's were like that.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The 90's were the best decade for films!

[Chen G. 3,942]

I don't remember 90s films being quite as tongue-in-cheek as the MCU is.

 

I miss earnst cinema.

[publicist 4,643]

Yeah, that's because there's hardly anything besides them nowadays. There was a lot of that joke-y style, from Turtles movies to Last Boy Scout, Dumb and Dumber, Loaded Weapon, Evil Dead III, Bad Boys, Men in Black, Rush Hour and and and.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

[A24 4,326]

Jennifer Aniston (Friends) agrees with Scorsese:

 

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“You’re seeing what’s available out there and it’s just diminishing and diminishing in terms of, it’s big Marvel movies, or things that I’m not just asked to do or really that interested in living in a green screen. I just think it would be nice to go into a movie theatre, sit cozy. I think we should have a resurgence. Let’s get the ‘Terms Of Endearment’ back out there. You know, ‘Heaven Can Wait’, ‘Young Frankenstein’, ‘Blazing Saddles’, ‘Goodbye Girl’.”

 

That settles it then. Marvel has diminished cinema.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Well, if she says so, that's good enough for me.

[Arpy 4,145]

Yes, YES! Rise with me and join:

 

T H E   A N T I - M A R V E L  L E A G U E

 

Nothing will stand in our way, nothing!

[Chen G. 3,942]

Its against my nature to wish for a filmmaker to not suceed, but I really do want this MCU nonesense to end.

[Arpy 4,145]

It's for its own good, Chen. It's die now, or go out later in a sad slow burnout.

[Chen G. 3,942]

Oh sure, but I can't wish upon whatever poor sod is slated to direct the next MCU film, to have his film tank at the box office.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Sounds like Marvel will be committing to more television now anyway.

[A24 4,326]

Netflix is Marvel free (or soon will be) but I'm betting most JWFaners are abandoning it for Disney +. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I'm just in Netflix for Stranger Things, random movies that pop-up, and those dramatised documentaries that people here hate so much.

[A24 4,326]

I wish it was Stranger Things free. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I wish it was free.

[A24 4,326]

No, you don't. 

[Bilbo 3,709]

1 hour ago, Alexcremers said:

I wish it was Stranger Things free. 

Yes! God I hate that awful show!

 

1 hour ago, Alexcremers said:

Netflix is Marvel free (or soon will be) but I'm betting most JWFaners are abandoning it for Disney +. 

 

The problem with a lot of Netflix content is you can tell the creative decisions are driven by algorithms. Oh you like The Goonies and ET? Here, you might like this show called Stranger Things. 

[A24 4,326]

True, the Duffer brothers are probably nothing more than bunch of zeros and ones.

[Bilbo 3,709]

The Russo brothers too. Willing puppets of the focus groups.

[Arpy 4,145]

I love Stranger Things. It can be a little heavy on the 80s references for the sake of the 80s.

[Quintus 5,399]

I didn't get through season 2. Given its status, it was honestly one of the worst things I've ever seen.

[Sweeping Strings 2,344]

19 hours ago, Alexcremers said:

Jennifer Aniston (Friends) agrees with Scorsese:

 

 

That settles it then. Marvel has diminished cinema.

Actress who was happy to do a sitcom for 10 years and be in several identikit rom-coms is now complaining about lack of choice?

Riiiiiiiiiiight.  

[A24 4,326]

42 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

Actress who was happy to do a sitcom for 10 years and be in several identikit rom-coms is now complaining about lack of choice?

Riiiiiiiiiiight.  

 

Of course, she's talking as a viewer, not as an actress. 

[Sweeping Strings 2,344]

Hmm ... she mentions 'things I'm not asked to do' and 'not being that interested in living in a green screen' in that quote.  

[A24 4,326]

But she also says she wants to "sit cozy" ... 

[Chen G. 3,942]

2 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said:

Actress who was happy to do a sitcom for 10 years and be in several identikit rom-coms is now complaining about lack of choice?

 Riiiiiiiiiiight.  

 

Aniston is 100% right, this is just a textbook Tu Quoque fallacy. Just because her argument is hypocritical, doesn't make it wrong. Its a case of "do what I say, not what I do."

 

Besides, romcoms are a genre, which you can take or leave. The MCU isn't a genre, its a single film series. It has no artistic/narrative justification to keep chugging along.

[Sweeping Strings 2,344]

I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned it before, but this italic shit you do is really fucking annoying. 

[Chen G. 3,942]

I only do it for names of movies, and for abstract concepts.

 

Deal with it.

[Jurassic Shark 12,010]

Is the idea that the abstract concepts get easier to grasp if in italic?

[Sweeping Strings 2,344]

It comes across as patronising snark. Then again, maybe that's the intention. 

[Chen G. 3,942]

11 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

maybe that's the intention.

 

Not at all.

[Jurassic Shark 12,010]

Not at all, you mean.

[Chen G. 3,942]

Thank god you're here, @Jurassic Shark. 

[Henry Sítrónu 494]

On 10/4/2019 at 7:35 PM, Quintus said:

Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

 

Someone in the industry had to say it and I can't think of anyone better!

 

 

Haven't seen a single Marvel movie. But you know what's also 'not cinema'? Producing movies with Netflix and having only a limited cinema release, that is. 

[mrbellamy 6,270]

I always liked using italics because there were a lot of things I wanted to emphasize and I didn’t know if my ramblings were clear otherwise. But I started avoiding them after I read some book or article on writing (can’t remember who but it was one of my favorites) and they ruthlessly made fun of italics and ALL CAPS. Something about them being for the weak and lazy lmao, also words like “very.” Might have been William Goldman. It made me feel bad. 

[Romão 2,274]

4 hours ago, Quintus said:

I didn't get through season 2. Given its status, it was honestly one of the worst things I've ever seen.

 

Very much so. On the other hand, I've watching Breaking Bad and that one is more deserving of its reputation, for once

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I like both Breaking Bad and Stranger Things.

[A24 4,326]

1 hour ago, lemoncurd said:

Haven't seen a single Marvel movie. But you know what's also 'not cinema'? Producing movies with Netflix and having only a limited cinema release, that is. 

 

Sure it is. It's the next step in cinema. 

 

Cinema:

 

- the production of films as an art or industry

 

- the art or technique of making motion pictures

 

 

 

Scorsese won't back down on his statements:

 

Scorsese: “Theaters have become amusement parks. That is all fine and good but don’t invade everything else in that sense. … That is fine and good for those who enjoy that type of film and, by the way, knowing what goes into them now, I admire what they do. It’s not my kind of thing; it simply is not. It’s creating another kind of audience that thinks cinema is that.”

 

Scorsese: “It’s not cinema, it’s something else. We shouldn’t be invaded by it. We need cinemas to step up and show films that are narrative films.”

 

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/martin-scorsese-marvel-irishman-1202181152/

[Henry Sítrónu 494]

ok, but in my understanding cinema as an art form also requires a cinema building, as concert music requires a concert hall. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

They're funny book movies.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

Oh good lord, are we discussing the semantics of "cinema" based on venue, adhering to the most technically narrow and archaic sense possible? 

 

7 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

I always liked using italics because there were a lot of things I wanted to emphasize and I didn’t know if my ramblings were clear otherwise. But I started avoiding them after I read some book or article on writing (can’t remember who but it was one of my favorites) and they ruthlessly made fun of italics and ALL CAPS. Something about them being for the weak and lazy lmao, also words like “very.” Might have been William Goldman. It made me feel bad. 

 

I don't think italics are lazy per se, I think they can be very useful in trying to articulate the vocal nuances of what you're trying to say. When I was young and newer to English, I was taught the "said is dead" rule, and wouldn't you know it?, everything I wrote for the next two years had words like "queried" and "declared" to avoid the word...all of which was a much greater offense. Know what I mean? 

[Henry Sítrónu 494]

2 minutes ago, Nick Parker said:

Oh good lord, are we discussing the semantics of "cinema" based on venue, adhering to the most technically narrow and archaic sense possible? 



Yes, if you define the setting of watching netflix on a computer or tablet in a living / bed room as a venue  

 

All I'm saying is that to me (and I think to many other people as well) the absence of any third stimulation (beyond the actually movie) inside a cinema theatre is unique and crucial for the art form cinema. 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

14 hours ago, Bilbo said:

Yes! God I hate that awful show!

 

 

 

Yes!

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The problem with a lot of Netflix content is you can tell the creative decisions are driven by algorithms. Oh you like The Goonies and ET? Here, you might like this show called Stranger Things.

Yes!!

[Quintus 5,399]

Snobbery in directors is nothing new - Hitchcock refused to meet with Spielberg

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Some yank brat

[Nick Parker 3,040]

1 hour ago, Quintus said:

Snobbery in directors is nothing new - Hitchcock refused to meet with Spielberg

 

That story has a great twist at the end that only Hitchcock could deliver! And I remember reading quotes from Hitchcock praising Jaws, unless they were fabricated.

 

Also, I think the author is drawing false parallels between that situation and the one Scorsese has going on right now.

 

 

[Glóin the Dark 1,218]

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Alfred Hitchcock Refused To Meet Steven Spielberg When He Was Alive

 

What diabolical occurrence necessitated that last qualifying clause?

[Chen G. 3,942]

1 hour ago, Nick Parker said:

I remember reading quotes from Hitchcock praising Jaws, unless they were fabricated.

 

Yeah, I remember those too. Something about the naturalness of the blocking, if memory serves me well.

 

At least it wasn't Sir David Lean who said of Spielberg "who the hell does he think he is?!"