Arpy 4,145 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Landlord's Speech and the beginning of Plowing are what I was looking for all these years! Love the brass. crlbrg and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Those are two fantastic cues back to back. Works great in chronological order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Is the alternate end credits cue the same as the film/FYC version? The Homecoming on the OST album seems to be Williams preferred and intended end credits suite. In the final film (and therefore FYC disc [End Credits] as well), the opening segment was replaced by a slightly different take of the same material (the flute sounds different), and then it proceeds to be a music editor's mashup of edited pieces of End Credits, Dartmoor, and Plowing. In the recording session leak, 7M74 End Credits seems to be some work-in-progress version of some kind; It's literally just OST track 1 [1:17-2:28] followed by OST track 16 [0:32-end]. My speculation would be Spielberg heard Williams' intended end credits, didn't like how it opened, had the music editor try replacing the opening with tacked material from Dartmoor, didn't like that either, then finally heard a different take of the opening (or had him record it anew), and was finally happy. And then whoever created the cue archive that leaked accidentally grabbed that work in progress version instead of the final version. In the public version of this leak, someone just grabbed The Homecoming track of the OST and titled it "7M74 End Credits (Alternate)" to pad out the upload. TheUlyssesian and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 WOW - complete War Horse - one of my JW holy grails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 But it's definitely out of order, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Rename 7m70 to 6m61 and everything's fine. aescalle and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Do you think this will spur Williams on to release an official expanded set, like AI? Fees, I know l, but surely there's a workaround... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Arpy said: Do you think this will spur Williams on to release an official expanded set, like AI? Fees, I know l, but surely there's a workaround... And Sony right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Arpy said: Do you think this will spur Williams on to release an official expanded set, like AI? Fees, I know l, but surely there's a workaround... The label would need to negotiate with the union for an exception, possibly on the proviso of a reduced release quantity (say a limited edition of 2000 units or something). If they could prove the profit margin was break-even, it's possible the union would be agreeable. After all, some profit is better than no profit if these scores continue gathering dust on a shelf. We know Intrada tried to negotiate an exception to the fees on Avatar so they could release an expansion, but the union wouldn't come to the party. You really have to question the logic, considering the session leak which no musicians profitted from. Why not get that music out there legitimately and make some money for your members? The alternate is no profit at all. Seems needlessly stubborn to me. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, crumbs said: Why not get that music out there legitimately and make some money for your members? The alternate is no profit at all. Seems needlessly stubborn to me. Rights and licensing are not for the minds of people with common sense. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, crumbs said: We know Intrada tried to negotiate an exception to the fees on Avatar so they could release an expansion, but the union wouldn't come to the party. You really have to question the logic, considering the session leak which no musicians profitted from. Why not get that music out there legitimately and make some money for your members? The alternate is no profit at all. Seems needlessly stubborn to me. It's an issue that has baffled me for years, the idea of charging labels such high fees that no one can actually afford to release anything and the union members make no money. And yes, especially when you consider the session leaks which give no money to the players or the composer. I've no doubt that the union would make a passionate argument for why they operate like this, but as of yet I don't know what that argument is. bollemanneke and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 17 hours ago, Jay said: Rename 7m70 to 6m61 and everything's fine. Hello Jay, Do we have to rename only the alternate track or the other one? Or Both tracks? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: It's an issue that has baffled me for years, the idea of charging labels such high fees that no one can actually afford to release anything and the union members make no money. I think it’s just unfortunate fallout from rule changes that do benefit musicians in most cases. Let’s not forget soundtrack expansions account a pretty minuscule portion of the industry, and I doubt they were even considered when the rules were changed. The re-use fees apply when a theatrical release is released on digital or disc, for example, and of course the studios are going to pay in those cases. My hope is that perhaps in the future the rules could be modified to provide an exception for these sort of specialized uses that wouldn’t otherwise be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just listened to the leak. It's great to finally have one of my favorite 2000s Williams scores (and probably my favorite from his post-2005 era) now complete and chronological, even though the OST had almost all of the major highlights. From the unreleased stuff, I really liked the beginning of 1M2B Houses to Market, 1M7 Learning the Call, 2M22 The Landlord Speech, the first two minutes of 2M27 Dad's Medals, the superbly beautiful 4M40 Letter from the Front, as well as the complete Pulling the Cannon. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Just listened to the leak. It's great to finally have one of my favorite 2000s Williams scores (and probably my favorite from his post-2005 era) now complete and chronological, even though the OST had almost all of the major highlights. From the unreleased stuff, I really liked the beginning of 1M2B Houses to Market, 1M7 Learning the Call, 2M22 The Landlord Speech, the first two minutes of 2M27 Dad's Medals, the superbly beautiful 4M40 Letter from the Front, as well as the complete Pulling the Cannon. Houses to Market? Well, they did have a landlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 19 hours ago, Holko said: Rights and licensing are not for the minds of people with common sense. That's why session leaks are god sends. These legal rights issues are so complicated and greedy that I think they deserve that people download it illegally. It's also Williams fault for not pushing for a deluxe set at the time of initial release like many other composers do. I don't have iota of remorse or guilt that I did something wrong when I grab something like this. If it's released eventually then buy it, but it might never be so at least we have it. If only BFG and Tintin would leak too . (Or they did and I don't know anyone who has them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I will be honest and say I find the score far less enjoyable and too overbearing when I watch the movie. So its nice to know it exists in pure sound form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2019 7 hours ago, MedigoScan said: I will be honest and say I find the score far less enjoyable and too overbearing when I watch the movie. So its nice to know it exists in pure sound form. It is one of his more prominently mixed scores in recent times but I think that is what Spielberg was going for - an oldfashioned feel with loudly mixed music. And hey, it's all good when the music is this good. It's also rare that you actually get to listen to the score in the cinema. I actually saw both this and Tintin twice in the cinema just to listen to the score again in context. MikeH, Jurassic Shark, A. A. Ron and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 When I saw it in the cinema I thought the music was mixed super low and came out of the front speakers only . Maybe it was just a bad cinema Same with BFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 3:58 PM, CGCJ said: 7m72 Remembering Emily and Finale (02:21) Not to be pedantic (although so many of us here are)... but shouldn't that be Émilie? iamleyeti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Emily is Annie Lively's sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alawill75 39 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Maybe I'm too stupid, but where can I listen to or download the leak...? Any hint or PM welcome :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Bayesian said: Not to be pedantic (although so many of us here are)... but shouldn't that be Émilie? JW already spelled "Vadar" on the ROTJ sheets, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 WAR HORSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,418 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I will always prefer to have every bit of music from a score as possible (alternates, source, you name it...) But after extensive listens I have to say that the OST presentation is still my preferred listening experience on this one. With 2 exceptions, I add in the complete 'Plowing', and 'The Dash Across No Man's Land' having it's own track. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,042 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Bellosh said: I will always prefer to have every bit of music from a score as possible (alternates, source, you name it...) But after extensive listens I have to say that the OST presentation is still my preferred listening experience on this one. With 2 exceptions, I add in the complete 'Plowing', and 'The Dash Across No Man's Land' having it's own track. I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood. In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO. crumbs, Bellosh, A. A. Ron and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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