King Mark 3,616 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 So Spielberg is into his light comedy/chick flick phase,and next come another historical drama,right when Episode 3 or Goblet of Fire is going to be released.Williams serious,artsy scores have one thing in common for me,they are dust gatherers,do we need another one?Are Williams twilight years beeing wasted on such collaborationsK.M.Who wasn't too impressed by The Terminal(the movie,that is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 No.They both tend to bring out the best in each other. I wish JW would work with some other directors, but he shouldn't leave Spielberg.Kendal_Ozzel, who was impressed with the Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I have no problem with Speilberg.The world doesn't consist of only Indiana Jones, Jaws, Star Wars or Harry Potter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peio 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 NO. Definitely NOT. Their collaboration is the best nowadays (yeah, even better than Shyamalan/JNH, Burton/Elfman, Zemeckis/Silvestri, Scott/Zimmer, Kitano/Hisaishi, etc.). Haven't listened to The Terminal yet, but you must consider that A FILM or SCORE DOESN'T NEED TO BE IMPRESSIVE TO BE GOOD.In fact, he still innovates in this "small" projects. They are not a barrier for his progressive career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 well I consider Terminal a very weak film, not as bad as Hook, Always, or AI, but definitely in Steven's lower eschelon of films, but in response to KM's poll, not no but HELL NO.Steven Spielberg and John Williams are a unit. Terminal isn't my favorite score but it works well with the film.I cannot imagine a world without the two together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Overall I say no. But he should be willing to reconsider when a Cos/CMIYC like conflict ever arises again. He did both the CoS filmmakers and his fans a great disservice by giving priority to a film that really did not need him over an HP film, even if it was Spielberg. But before the flaming begins, let me say (as I have before) that I do understand his decision. I just don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Well I just saw The Terminal and I loved it, so there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Ahem, you call The Terminal arty, Mark? Well, I'll be damned! Just when I thought I heard them all!---------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 What the?NO. Definitely NOT. Their collaboration is the best nowadays Of course not! It's not only nowadays the best collaboration by the way, in my opinion. I'm very glad that he gave priority to Spielberg for Catch Me if You Can, and I hope he continues to do so in the future. His Spielberg scores are generally the best and most refreshing of his scores.Williams shouldn't be restricted to those larger-than-life scores, you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,251 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Ahem, you call The Terminal arty, Mark? Well, I'll be damned! Just when I thought I heard them all!---------------Alex CremersKing Mark needs to watch more european films!!!As for your questions, this "Arty" films and scores are the ones that will never grow dust on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Spielberg is all washed up man.Been that man ever since he did that black and white film were all those people were shot.And that wasn't even cool because it was black and white.Williams should work with people like Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay instead of that has-been Spielberg.I hear Media Ventures is looking for new people, maybe he can work with Hans Zimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peio 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I hear Media Ventures is looking for new peopleJohn Williams is not precisely new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 NO NO NO!!!JW gives the best with Spielberg!TJ - who today gets an avatar!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,616 Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 That's Chris ALfonso's avatar...you need to find your own,and don't pick mine!K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I hear Media Ventures is looking for new people, maybe he can work with Hans Zimmer?Definetly. Wasting his time in Catch Me if you Can or The Terminal when he could have done Pirates of the Caribbean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 King Mark, you don't like this avatar? I know it's not mine, I choose from this site...on my hard disk I don't have a less than 8kb pic.If you have some Indy pic or some JW pic similar to this avatar, send me by e-mail!!reggianimirko@libero.it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Oh, ChrisAlfonso...I don't wanna steal avatars, I change this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 THIEF!!!!...THIEEEEEF!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 This is the dumbest poll yet. C'mon folks, this duo has been responsible for some of the greatest (and most popular) cinematic works of our time.After reading some of these comments in this post, I weep for the future. Williams should have done Pirates of thew Caribbean over The Terminal? How old are people on this board anyhow? Do they suffer from ADD or some deficiency like that? I hope Williams STOPS composing so many bloody scores for mindless popular drivel. The Terminal obviously appeals to people who are past puberty and that's about it. Having written underscore for dramatic and comedic films, I'll tell you it's a helluva lot harder than writing bombast in those summer blockbusters. And Williams does this so well, along with Tom Newman, amoung others. Look at what happened to Goldsmith after scoring so many shitty films in the '70's, '80's, and '90's. The poor guys gets a gem like LA Confidential or The Edge once in a blue moon and is reconciled to scoring shit like Leviathan, or Looney Tunes or whatever. Too bad Frank Shaffner died because he was one of the few collaborators that Goldsmith really produced excellent score with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 THIEF!!!!...THIEEEEEF!!!! Now I have this Homer-Indy funny pic as avatar, but the quality is so lame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I've always thought Spielberg's work seems to have more layers than a lot of directors. The stories are interesting and accessible the first time you see them, but on second and third viewings, there's a deeper craftmenship that becomes obvious.And it is obvious from his complimentary liner notes on JW scores that he holds him in and his music in high regard. For a film composer that's got to mean a lot right there.(IMO, somebody should tattoo that last principle on to Lucas's freaky little forehead.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 King Mark certainly will sing to a different tune after The War of the Worlds comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Awalt 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 "Should Williams end his collaboration with Spielberg?"Three words: Are you insane? I dread the inevitable end of their collaboration that's beyond their choice (Williams passing). Until then, we should continue to cherish and celebrate one of the most incredible partnerships in film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 "Should Williams end his collaboration with Spielberg?"Three words: Are you insane? I dread the inevitable end of their collaboration that's beyond their choice (Williams passing). Until then, we should continue to cherish and celebrate one of the most incredible partnerships in film ever.This isn't one of the most incredible partnerships in film ever.This IS the most incredible partnerships in film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 dread the inevitable end of their collaboration that's beyond their choice (Williams passing). Steven, you assume it will be John who goes first, but you never know, it could be Spielberg who goes first.btw, I wonder who the 3 dumbasses are who voted yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Awalt 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 This isn't one of the most incredible partnerships in film ever.This IS the most incredible partnerships in film ever.You're preaching to the choir on that, but I left it open out of respect to those who might not agree (Hitchcock and Herrmann's collaboration certainly has its fans...). IMHO, it just doesn't get better than Spielberg/Williams, and to ask a question like this poll is pure blasphemy Steven, you assume it will be John who goes first, but you never know, it could be Spielberg who goes first. I thought of that, Joe, but the odds are obviously against it, all things sadly considered (people like Spielberg, Williams and Walt Disney (to name a few) should be eternals so they can continue to give their unique gifts to the world, as long as they want to?death be damned!) btw, I wonder who the 3 dumbasses are who voted yes. I was wondering the same thing. If I were the kind of guy to promote mob violence, I'd suggest we take the vile trio out back and kick the [blank] outta 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Williams and Spielberg should stick together til the end. If you're talking about Williams' twilight years going to waste, he should stop doing film music, unless it's a Steven Spielberg film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 You're singing to the choir on that, but I left . . .Actually, I think it's "preaching to the choir"Singing to the choir . . . of all the crazy . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 After reading some of these comments in this post, I weep for the future. Williams should have done Pirates of thew Caribbean over The Terminal? How old are people on this board anyhow? Do they suffer from ADD or some deficiency like that?No, but apparently there are some here who can't grasp sarcasm.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 It's gonna be weird (to put it very mildly) to see Spielberg's first movie after John has died. What if he finished the score to that movie before he died? I don't think I'll be holding it together if I went to see it.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I think Spielberg has always brought out some of Williams' best work *key word some, not all*. Hook, in which I was like... 2 yrs old when it came out, is a movie I've grown up with, therefore, I liked and still love it.... In my opinion, John's best work was in that movie... Then there's ET, JAWS, Close Encounters... Those are amazing scores, and while John W. hasn't come out with any outstanding Spielberg scores within the last few years, they need to stick together for future collaborations that would result in some of great style of music Williams showed in earlier years. I have perfect confidence they will stick together for a loooong time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Awalt 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 You're singing to the choir on that, but I left . . .Actually, I think it's "preaching to the choir"Singing to the choir . . . of all the crazy . . .Whoops. Noted and corrected. I honestly know the phrase, my mind must have just slipped up. It's a pain trying to write with screaming kids over your shoulder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,616 Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 So,we have about 3 threads in which we discussed The Terminal score,and only a few people have commented on it in detail.Where's the detailed reviews,where's the Favourite Track poll,where's the Track by Track Analysis,where's the Thematic Analysis ,where's the Movie Cue/Unreleased Music Rundown...anyways,for all of you who seem to like this type of score better than yet another new Harry Potter or Adventure score,I fail to see the excitement this has created compared to the week PoA came out.On the other hand if Williams had scored Spiderman 2,we'd have about 20 threads about it.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eplicon 53 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Let the collaboration continue until one or both decides to hang it up for good.I'm more concerned if Spielberg continues to direct in his post-Williams phase. Spielberg seems to have a liking for Hans Zimmer (a composer I have very little respect for -- he dissed Spartacus for one thing!). And I think Horner said something like he felt like a princess in waiting on the prospects of working with Spielberg in the future. After all, he did write scores for Spielberg-related projects in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Awalt 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I don't know if Spielberg is an admirer of Zimmer (haven't read anything to the effect) so much as that Zimmer is in charge of DreamWorks' film music division. Certainly Spielberg had a big say in Zimmer's hiring for that post, but that doesn't imply he'd use the composer for his films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 My answer is no, but sadly Williams' scores for Spielberg in recent years are not anywhere near the top of my list. Minority Report, Catch Me if You Can, The Terminal, and A.I. are all very good scores, with varying levels and moments of "listenability," but they're just not my favorites. On the other hand, many of my favorite Williams scores, Far and Away, Home Alone, the Harry Potter scores, ESB, etc are not Spielberg. So for me, a score being a "Spielberg score" doesn't automatically make it better than the rest. And given another CoS/CMIYC situation, I'd MUCH rather JW's attention be focused on GoF, if a choice had to be made. However, War of the Worlds does seem to have great potential.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 In no way, shape, or form. All the scores are perfect, I don't know what more could ask from a composer/ director collaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 When the collaboration does eventually end, for whatever reason, we will all be sad.Appreciate the Spielberg/Williams relationship today, because the two will not be working together forever.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Appreciate the Spielberg/Williams relationship today, for it is surely the greatest director/composer collaboration in the history of film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 ... if Williams had scored Spiderman 2,we'd have about 20 threads about it.K.M.Of course, we'd be flooded by Spider nerds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 However, War of the Worlds does seem to have great potential.KABOOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Appreciate the Spielberg/Williams relationship today, for it is surely the greatest director/composer collaboration in the history of film.Let me shake your hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Let's not forget that their collaboration produced Williams' best work: Jaws, CE3K, E.T., Empire of the Sun.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Let me shake your hand! ok....but no biting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Longbottom 0 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I hear Media Ventures is looking for new people, maybe he can work with Hans Zimmer?(!!!Fans of Hans Zimmer's music are strongly advised against reading the following post!!!)I hope Spielberg won't decide to collaborate with Zimmer in the future. I have also never heard or read of any hints that would suggest that Spielberg has a "hidden" liking for Zimmer's scores.I mean, even to the untrained ear, Zimmer's scores do all sound practically the same, hardly innovative or evocative beyond the service for the particular scene in a film. He writes the loudest synthesized stuff I have heard and even if he occasionally lets the "living" orchestra perform it, it still sounds synthetic (Gladiator, Black Hawk Down,...). I presume Zimmer would have made a better living writing pop or techno music as he can write catchy themes, perhaps they could be a good team with Moby, of whom Zimmer's music reminds me the most.I can see he's very popular with young moviegoers and I would understand it, but in my humble opinion Zimmer isn't THE Composer to replace anyone currently working in film industry. And because it all comes down to tastes, I'll rather stick with saying that he doesn't represent the composing techniques I like to here in movies.The stuff he wrote that sounds quite good is a copycat off classical pieces and his "own" unique sound is like an overture to a techno party frenzy.I can't understand what would it be Spielberg would have liked about Hans Zimmer's music. Williams' is his exact opposite in any thinkable angle so I think Steven was just joking suppose he'd ever mentioned Zimmer as is future collaborator.Even the composers who write music I don't listen to usually spice up the world with something of some kind of interesting, but not so much is this the case with Zimmer, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Amen Yoda!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeekUYoda 0 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Should they end the collaboration? No! Why fix something that's not broken?SeekUYoda, who saw The Terminal this weekend and really liked it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I hope Spielberg won't decide to collaborate with Zimmer in the future. I have also never heard or read of any hints that would suggest that Spielberg has a "hidden" liking for Zimmer's scores.It's a pretty wellknown fact that Spielberg was/is a great fan of Zimmer, I think he loved the score for Crimson Tide.Also Zimmer is the head of the music dept. at Dreamworks which is co-owned and founded by Spielberg.And Zimmer scored the first Dreamworks film, The Peacemaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 This is ludicrous. If Williams stoped working with Spielberg, what else would there be for him to do?The answer: the kind of "arty" films King Mark presumably refers to. Williams has the sense to know that something like "King Arthur" might not be up his alley, nor would "I, Robot." But then again, what do I know? He might have been offered those films and turned them down because he was busy with "Harry Potter" and "Terminal."Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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