karelm 2,911 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, KK said: Here's something I worked on last summer that's finally up! The film is pretty out there, so I got the chance to try some neat things with a small ensemble. Quite enjoyed the process and would love to hear your thoughts! I really liked it! I liked how organic it felt in its development rather than disjunct as many film scores might feel. It would be nice to see the film but definitely another solid work from you. Was this the one that you had a budget for a live session? I really like that you didn't try to go big but stayed within the framework you set out for yourself right from the start. Sometimes it is easier to go big. You have a natural talent and have reinforced my opinion that this is one of my favorite threads on jwfan. Jurassic Shark and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Thanks Karelm! That means a lot! Tried to score most of the film as one long musical sequence, and that hopefully gave that organic quality you mentioned. And I wanted to work with a small ensemble (a woodwind sextet of sorts, give or take some other colours) and see what I could get with just that. And yes, we had a little money for a session again! Which really helps, because you just have a lot more variables to work with using live musicians over a computer. And the film is doing the whole festival circuit right now (with some good buzz, if I may add). But here's a teaser, if you were curious! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Why is this not one of the best original score nominees this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 22 hours ago, KK said: Here's something I worked on last summer that's finally up! The film is pretty out there, so I got the chance to try some neat things with a small ensemble. Quite enjoyed the process and would love to hear your thoughts! Very nice! The music has a well-balanced structure and it kept me genuinely interested throughout. If I were to give one critical comment, it would be that the vibraphone from 4:52 has a weird placement of "non-harmonic tones" which obscure the rest of the layers for a short while. There is nothing wrong with non-harmonic tones in the right context, but in this particular case I struggle to hear the logic behind them. But that is me being very harsh! My favourite part was the clarinet+violin(?) glissandi from about 3:18 onwards...which sound amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Loert said: Very nice! The music has a well-balanced structure and it kept me genuinely interested throughout. If I were to give one critical comment, it would be that the vibraphone from 4:52 has a weird placement of "non-harmonic tones" which obscure the rest of the layers for a short while. There is nothing wrong with non-harmonic tones in the right context, but in this particular case I struggle to hear the logic behind them. But that is me being very harsh! My favourite part was the clarinet+violin(?) glissandi from about 3:18 onwards...which sound amazing. But since this is actually a film score, you don't know if that non-harmonic tone is warranted. That might actually be a subtle dramatic tension or hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 hours ago, TGP said: Why is this not one of the best original score nominees this year? 5 hours ago, Loert said: Very nice! The music has a well-balanced structure and it kept me genuinely interested throughout. If I were to give one critical comment, it would be that the vibraphone from 4:52 has a weird placement of "non-harmonic tones" which obscure the rest of the layers for a short while. There is nothing wrong with non-harmonic tones in the right context, but in this particular case I struggle to hear the logic behind them. But that is me being very harsh! My favourite part was the clarinet+violin(?) glissandi from about 3:18 onwards...which sound amazing. Cheers Loert!! Appreciate the feedback! And good point about the non-harmonic tones, though in this case, as karelm pointed out, I was trying to hit a certain beat at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Putting this here because I don't know where else: so, since I'm reading the Wagner Ring scores currently, a technical question concerning notation. There are times in the score, where sections are written in different meters. It makes sense in most cases, but sometimes, I don't know what to make of it. Like there is a passage in the final act of Götterdämmerung, where violins are notated in 2/2, but for each bar of the violins, the bar for woodwinds and brass is notated in two separate bars with what seems to be 3/4 or 9/8. Even If you assume triplets (which are not notated), it would still mean that bars of 4/4 (2/2) are written on top of bars with a total value of 6/4. How does that gel with each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Interesting observation! If I'm thinking of the right part that you mean, he's bringing together several themes/leitmotifs there, stacked in top of each other, and while the faster lines the woodwinds somewhat necessitate the quicker 9/8 bar, I'm guessing he didn't want to subdivide the long held notes in the strings or change the meter of that theme (16ths vs triplets accentuating the coexistence of the themes there rather than making them "work together" by locking up where the short note values are). By the vertical alignment it is clear for the conductor how to organize this with the orchestra (though I'm guessing he'll have to rehearse that specific thing, if the orchestra isn't familiar with it). A Musical intention vs notational practicality thing basically, different composers have very different approaches to things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: Putting this here because I don't know where else: so, since I'm reading the Wagner Ring scores currently, a technical question concerning notation. There are times in the score, where sections are written in different meters. It makes sense in most cases, but sometimes, I don't know what to make of it. Like there is a passage in the final act of Götterdämmerung, where violins are notated in 2/2, but for each bar of the violins, the bar for woodwinds and brass is notated in two separate bars with what seems to be 3/4 or 9/8. Even If you assume triplets (which are not notated), it would still mean that bars of 4/4 (2/2) are written on top of bars with a total value of 6/4. How does that gel with each other? Personally, I think this should be in the quick question thread but anyway, this is not very unusual. Hindemith does this in his popular Symphonic Metamorphosis where the percussion is in different meter from the rest of the orchestra. Similar in Ravel's orchestration of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, in the great gate of kiev there are multiple meters. These are tricky but not unusual sections to navigate and do require extra rehearsal time. Basically, a section is in a different meter than the rest of the orchestra. In Thomas Ades's Asyla, Marin Alsop commented that she is the only one who is keeping the beat as written because each instrument has its own meter. Of course, at times the conductor's role is to make sure everyone lands at the same spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 But how does that work from a pure tempo perspective, if you have different lengths on top of each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 hours ago, gkgyver said: But how does that work from a pure tempo perspective, if you have different lengths on top of each other? You don't have different tempos on top of each other. You have different meters. Done often. Check this excerpt from Goldenthal in Aliens 3 (pay attention to the percussion rhythms) all at the same tempo but different rhythms/meters: This sort of stuff is in Mussorgsky/Ravel, Varese, Stravinsky, Ades, it's common stuff in contemporary music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I don't think you understand what I mean. There is 4/4 and 6/4 on top of each other, which would result in different lengths if the tempo is the Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 If the bar lines of different staves are aligned, each bar (regardless of individual metres) should have the same duration. It should be clear from context which staff the tempo marking pertains to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, gkgyver said: There is 4/4 and 6/4 on top of each other, which would result in different lengths if the tempo is the Same. Only if "tempo is the same" is taken to imply "all crotchets have the same duration". But if it is the bars which are understood to have the same duration - which aligned bars surely must - then the crotchets in your 6/4 bar must have only two-thirds of the duration of those in the 4/4 bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: I don't think you understand what I mean. There is 4/4 and 6/4 on top of each other, which would result in different lengths if the tempo is the Same. Yes, that is what I was talking about. Like this example from Pictures at an Exhibition where the top is 2/2 and the bottom is 6/4 so 4 beats at the top and 6 beats at the bottom. The conductor will conduct this in two: Here is the accompanying audio and you see the conductor is in two so beat 3 on the top lines up with beat 4 on the bottom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted February 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2018 Here's some more WIP from me: http://picosong.com/wkwYN/ It's basically part of this exercise that I'm doing where I'm trying to write a JW-style piece with the structure of a TESB/ROTJ third act finale (i.e. "final battle" music). So you have a main character trapped in some face-off situation whilst a battle is raging outside, and the film keeps switching between the two. I plan to make the whole thing 7-8 mins long so it's only about halfway done, but I thought I'd post what I have done now since I won't be returning to this piece for a long time...I have exams coming up and after that I wanted to do some more personal composition over the summer, so it will be a LONG time before I return to work on this (maybe for the better). Anyway, hope you enjoy and I would be eager to hear any comments! ChrisAfonso, Will, Ludwig and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,911 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I like it of course. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Great stuff Loert! Lots of wonderful Williams-isms in there. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 DesperateTheme.WAV This is one of many themes and motifs I have composed for a 80-minute-project, when I was fifteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just having fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I've been on a sabbatical from composing. Haven't written a note in months and it feels good. Burned myself out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just thought it would be fun to post some of the first things I tried to compose, a long time ago, essentially temp music for an extended cut of SW77:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9cEdPQ1A3ODdCakEhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9a2tzUEp2b2xyYlU https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9c0U2TDRsRnktb2c https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9TFV4U3MtdUZuMTg https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9eERkLU5Zd3lCVnM https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9ZDF4WjVreXFrQkUhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9dWRoZ2h4aG0xMWc Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted May 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2018 Thought I'd revive this thread having just seen the release of a short film narrated by Olivia Colman that me and @Max McGuire scored over the last few months. The process culminated in us recording the final soundtrack with a small string ensemble at Abbey Road Studio 1 (coincidentally on the same day as Gordy Haab recorded his Battlefront DLC with the LSO, and the day after Han Solo finished overdubs in the same room!) Below is the film - I really encourage anyone to watch it, it's only 8 or so minutes and has a very important message behind it! Also is a video with a bit of session footage from the recording (both me and Max conducted a half of the score each). Would appreciate any feedback! Thanks Cerebral Cortex, ChrisAfonso, The Illustrious Jerry and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Nice music! How long did it take to record it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Nice music! How long did it take to record it? Was a 3 hour session but in actuality it only took about 2 and a half! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 This is some truly nice music. The Psycho Pianist and Max McGuire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 16.5.2018 at 3:10 PM, The Psycho Pianist said: Was a 3 hour session but in actuality it only took about 2 and a half! How do you work together when composing? Do you both work on the same cues, or do you write separately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: How do you work together when composing? Do you both work on the same cues, or do you write separately? On projects like this we work together for sure! We find that having two heads rather than one can help propel some ideas to something beyond what you might have come up with on your own. Of course, it does lead to the occasional moment where you feel like your own idea genuinely is better (!), but on the whole it probably also speeds up the process slightly - anything that may have been weird or on a tangent to the overall music arc has usually already been corrected at the source rather than much further on That's of course not to say that you don't occasionally end up with other scenarios though... Jurassic Shark and Max McGuire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 6 hours ago, The Psycho Pianist said: On projects like this we work together for sure! We find that having two heads rather than one can help propel some ideas to something beyond what you might have come up with on your own. Of course, it does lead to the occasional moment where you feel like your own idea genuinely is better (!), but on the whole it probably also speeds up the process slightly - anything that may have been weird or on a tangent to the overall music arc has usually already been corrected at the source rather than much further on That's of course not to say that you don't occasionally end up with other scenarios though... Interesting. How do you solve disagreements? Do each of you get a set of cues that you're responsible for, and therefore has the right to make final decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Interesting. How do you solve disagreements? Do each of you get a set of cues that you're responsible for, and therefore has the right to make final decisions? We just kind of, work through them - all the decisions are made purely on a give-take basis on the moment. As we both write together we don't usually have that process of being responsible for certain cues etc, although on occasion we have tried delegating "motifs" to be written individually then brought into the joint writing. This didn't really change the process though - usually you end up with something that sounds better than what you came up with originally! The Illustrious Jerry and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Is this any good? http://picosong.com/wcyC6/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Is this any good? http://picosong.com/wcyC6/ Yes. I enjoyed it a lot. Though I think what came before 1:49 is better than what came after it. But still, not bad at all! I could imagine it playing in a video game... Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Been a while since I shared something here (it was in 2012 when I first joined)! Here's my soundcloud where I've posted some scores I made for my friends' short films. There are also a few stand alone pieces I did for fun. https://soundcloud.com/ethanmwong/albums The ones of note (that actually have motifs/development) are The Chocolate Shop, Breathe, and Dead Eye Desparadoes and each of those albums and tracks have a brief description. Thank you for listening! EDIT: there's also this that I wrote when I was bored. It's scored to a friend's film when he was in high school in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Loert said: Yes. I enjoyed it a lot. Though I think what came before 1:49 is better than what came after it. But still, not bad at all! I could imagine it playing in a video game... Good! Thank you for your opinion, it's very welcome. I'll try to see what I can do about that ending part. Yeah, an imaginary game was working through my mind while doing it, so could very well be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 2:49 PM, Muad'Dib said: Is this any good? http://picosong.com/wcyC6/ Ha, nice, amigo, thanks for sharing! How do you feel about the bass when it gets going around :45 or so? Because of the release of the synth you're using, it's more of a texture than a distinct presence. I also agree with Loert's opinion about the ending: the timbral and dynamic shift is fun and effective, but I wonder if there's a way to keep that without losing so much of the vibrancy from before. As I said, I appreciate you sharing this! On 5/30/2018 at 3:54 PM, ComposerEthan said: Been a while since I shared something here (it was in 2012 when I first joined)! Here's my soundcloud where I've posted some scores I made for my friends' short films. There are also a few stand alone pieces I did for fun. https://soundcloud.com/ethanmwong/albums The ones of note (that actually have motifs/development) are The Chocolate Shop, Breathe, and Dead Eye Desparadoes and each of those albums and tracks have a brief description. Thank you for listening! EDIT: there's also this that I wrote when I was bored. It's scored to a friend's film when he was in high school in 2011. Thank you for posting these! On SoundCloud you can make a best of playlist, I think it'd be really nice if you made a compilation of your favorite standout tracks from the different scores you've done. My turn, my turn! Technically, this is based off an existing video game piece, but I feel that I hopefully added enough of my flavor to claim a certain level of authorship. I consider this to be around v0.5 or maybe 0.7, but I definitely feel like it's in a state that gets my general idea across. http://picosong.com/wc5Ha/ Was really fun to program the drums on this one! The piano solos were improvised by me. Would enjoy your feedback if you have any to give! (Here's the original video game tune for reference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 http://picosong.com/w9F9T/ I made a thing! Was in the mood for something jazzy-ish, produced in musescore with a variety of soundfonts sourced from online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Arpy said: http://picosong.com/w9F9T/ I made a thing! Was in the mood for something jazzy-ish, produced in musescore with a variety of soundfonts sourced from online. Not bad, amigo! (That sax soundfont is decent, too.) This is of course purely my own taste, but what would you think of opening up those lower brass harmonies? That would give it some more oomph and fullness, to my ears. Do you plan on extending this? I'd like to hear it if you do! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Thanks! @Nick Parker I have a problem with my playback feature on the program I use which means I have to fiddle with the volume of each instrument so when I export the score it sounds like everything is mixed the way I wanted it to - it's a hassle, that might be why some of it sounds off. Originally there wasn't the brass there, it was actually all shuffled around with different passages - so it was longer and different, but I just decided to cut it all down into something short. I'm not much of an arranger at all so I just do this stuff for a bit of fun in my spare time! Anyway, here's something else I've been working on: http://picosong.com/w9Ffr/ Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Arpy said: I have a problem with my playback feature on the program I use which means I have to fiddle with the volume of each instrument so when I export the score it sounds like everything is mixed the way I wanted it to - it's a hassle, that might be why some of it sounds off. If you're addressing my "open" comment, I was referring more to the way you voiced your chords. I don't know how to do that notation image thing that people do, but for example, rather than voicing an Amaj7 chord (ascending, lowest note being right above the bottom bass clef line) A, C#, E, G#, all a third apart, you could voice it like: (Same rules) A, E (fifth), G#, C# Or keep that C#min triad from the first voicing, and plop the A an octave below, or any number of things that space out the notes. Does this make sense, what I'm saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: (ascending, lowest note being right above the bottom bass clef line) A, C#, E, G#, all a third apart, you could voice it like: (Same rules) A, E (fifth), G#, C# Gotta love drop voicings! Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sharky said: Gotta love drop voicings! "Drop dat voicin' like I drop dat ass." -Johnny T. Williams Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Can you visualize that @Nick Parker i haven't taken any music theory or studied it, these are merely noodlings that were trial and error haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Do you know how to do that thing where people get typeset notation and embed it as an image? I'd be more than happy to do that for you. 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Can you visualize that @Nick Parker i haven't taken any music theory or studied it, these are merely noodlings that were trial and error haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Arpy said: Can you visualize that @Nick Parker i haven't taken any music theory or studied it, these are merely noodlings that were trial and error haha I'm trying hard not to visualize the highly disturbing image of John Williams twerking in booty shorts. Arpy and Loert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 @Sharky, do you know the answer to my query? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: @Sharky, do you know the answer to my query? Sure. Do you have Sibelius or Finale? If you do, you're going to have to export the file as a PNG or BMP. The next step is to upload it to a free image hosting site like ImgBB or Imgur. Just copy the URL presented to you and paste it into the text box of your post. Voila! Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Sharky said: Sure. Do you have Sibelius or Finale? If you do, you're going to have to export the file as a PNG or BMP. The next step is to upload it to a free image hosting site like ImgBB or Imgur. Just copy the URL presented to you and paste it into the text box of your post. Voila! Thanks, amigo. I don't have either, but I'll see if I can jerryrig something similar according to your instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: Thanks, amigo. I don't have either, but I'll see if I can jerryrig something similar according to your instructions. No worries. Try Noteflight. It's a while since I've used it, but I remember the exporting process was fairly straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I can screenshot the score, I'll do it when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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