Music - my one constant through it all...

[BigKenagain 0]

Now that the internet seems to have finshed playing it's cruel, virtual jokes on me, I'm going to try to post this topic again...

It seems that in my life, my passion for music has been the most reliable and consistent dirving force...

A little history; it's no secret to anyone, that my wife and three year old son were killed in a car crash ten years ago. I was inconsolable at the time. Devastated and despondant, I severed all ties to family and friends. But, there was always music. Bach's Brandenburgh #3 was always filled with joy, Tschaikovsky's Pathetique symphony seemed to mirror the sorrow I was feeling. John Williams always gave me energy when I had none... In many ways, music, or at least my love of music, was more theraputic then all the sessions with my counselor.

It's no wonder then, that as time wore on, and I learned to cope with my loss, that music followed me. Like a reliable friend... There, when I needed it's soothing melodies. In recent years, I've even re-learned how to listen to music with the simple pleasure of just listening, for no other purpose than to hear the music... No sorrow, no empathy with pain... just music. I even decided to try my hand at dating again... Diana Krall's music is filled with romance and scotch and the pleasure of sex. Something, that I had been lacking all these years...

So it's no wonder then that when things recently turned to crap... Another brief history... Bear with me people, this leads somewhere...

In my job, we recently have made a number of changes. One of which was increasing the size of the department, significantly. Where ther used to be two of us, there is now seven. The woman, with whom I have worked for a year now, was passed over for promotion to a supervisory position in the department. When our new supervisor went on holidays for two weeks, she chose as her replacement... me. Needless to say, this did not sit well with my co-worker. After a week of my taking on the department, her husband phoned last Monday to say that she would'nt be in to work that day. We were already short-staffed by one, but I figured that we could manage for the day. Later that same afternoon, I get a fax from her doctor saying that she won't be back for a week. No explanation of why, or what was wrong, just that she would not be back.

I've considered this woman a friend for the past year, so I was worried that there was something seriously wrong. I tried calling her home, no answer. I tried calling her family, the only response I could get was "she is sick". At this point I am getting a little frantic... So finally, I ask our vacationing supervisor, if she would try to get hold of her... She did. Supervisor, reports back to me that my co-worker is suffering from depression... and that I AM THE CAUSE OF IT!!!!! It seems that she was so bitter about my being chosen as supervisor's replacement, that she is thrown into a full blown depression requiring medcation?!?!?!? As if that wasn't bad enough, she then accuses me, through the supervisor, of bullying her. She has since recanted that statement. She admits that the whole problem was caused by my selection over her, but it was recently brought to my attention that she has been lying about me, behind my back, to the head office. To the Vice President of our department in Toronto... Every time, I phoned in sick, VP was notified. She told them that I used to spend the entire day on the internet. Telling them that I took two hour lunches... All this, all the while sitting talking to me and having lunch with me most every day. I took this person into my confidence. I told her things that I did'nt want shared with others... Now I am in doubt...

So after all this has happened, this week... I found myself on Tuesday, looking forward to my 40 minute bus ride home. Why, you ask? Because in my discman, I had my John Williams greatest hits CD. Superman, Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones rode home with me that night... Every night this week, as a matter of fact. There it was again, my old friend, music. Waiting for me like a patient companion. Not demanding anything of me except a few minutes attention. Always comforting like a soft, warm blanket that one can always wrap up in. Ready to whisk me away on Superman's shoulder's, far above this petty world. Someplace full of adventure and mystery and fun... Damnit, that's what music is really about... Not to be disseccted note by note. Not to worry whether we have every last note of the entire score. Music, is one of God's greatest gifts to us. Music enriches and enobles us... For a few peaceful moments we are on Aladdin's magic carpet, sailing through the streets of Baghdad. We are Scarlett O'Hara beating our breast and demanding from Heaven that we'll never go hungry again. We are a suave, handsome British super spy, to whom no woman can say NO...

Has anyone else ever had such an experience? Where music was your only solace? Sharing is a cathartic experience... very healing... let's all join hands now... Kumbaya, my lord... Kumbaya... LOL

Big Ken, who will now get down with Minority Report...

[Kradia 1]

Wow, how can i put this into words...

I'm sorry all that stuff with the co-worker happened to you....that's messed up....

But your last paragraph was eloquently written, because it's so true!!

It's amazing how much music can affect your life-it's truly the ultimate form of expression....no words, no boundaries, loved by all....

I've had that feeling too, where music whisks me away to far place from my troubles, even if for a moment.

Thanks for writing and sharing such passion for music!

[Miz 152]

Though my times of sadness may seem joyous occasions compared to your humbling story, when I am angry, bitter, sorrowful, or all three, I relax in a dark room with E.T.

From the freedom of the bicycle search (15), descending into surreal horror, then menace (16), through to melancholy (17), acceptance of the sorrow (18), and then out of the other side, the light at the end of the tunnel (19). This usually helps me through my woeful moments, and if I'm feeling particularly happy by the end of it, what-the-heck, I listen to every-possible-emotion-there-is! (20).

Oh, and if we're talking music to reflect our life, the very last thing I ever want to hear played is Saying Goodbye.

[Trumpeteer 304]

Every day, Ken, I turn to music for relief. Not that my life parallels your right now, but I always look forward to driving home from work with John Williams (or another composer) lifting my spirits.

[Morn 8]

You should send this to Williams, I'm sure it would make him feel really good. And yes, I have had similar experiences with music.

[The Five Tones 305]

Don't let the bastards cut you down Ken! I work in an office and I know how it can be. You must be a very strong individual to go through what you did a decade ago and have come out on the other side to today.

And yes, JW and other people's music has been there for me in the tough times, and in the celebratory times.

E.T & CE3K were especially there in the tough times I had as a teen.

Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key of Life, Erykah Badu's Mama's Gun, Donna Hathaway Live, Prefab Sprout's Two Wheels Good (aka Steve McQueen), The Police's Synchronicity, Peter Gabriel's Security, David Sylvian's Secrets of the Beehive and Portishead's Dummy have all been there through loves lost and found.

When I got the news that my father had passed away nine years ago, I don't know why but I pulled out Steve Reich's The Desert Music and listened to the whole 50 minutes of it. Not exactly soothing nor elegaic, but it just hit home at the time. The vastness of it and John Adam's Harmonium seemed appropriate in a suddenly stranger world.

The beautiful desolation and stillness of Morton Feldman's Piano and String Quartet helped me when I was refocussing things.

And JW keeps surprising me at my cynical age. When I was going through a particularly intense breakup from a longtime partner, the latter half of the AI score brought me to tears.

And E.T. still does, even though it's context in my life has changed from sadness to joy (for now).

Just really wanted to say we hear ya buddy.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Beautifully written, Big Ken. Thanks for your insight.

Ray Barnsbury

[Figo 2]

People are no damn good, Ken. They will ALWAYS let you down.

Well, I don't really believe that, I guess. I do know, in the larger scheme, every time I choose to gloss over some kind of petty grievance held by a girlfriend, say, in favor of going to a concert I really want to hear, looking back I should have just gone to the damn concert! Of course, under those circumstances, I wouldn't have been able to enjoy it, anyway. Frigging empathy and guilt and @#%$ing love. Why do women always choose to rage just when you are about to depart for a holiday or a concert you've been looking forward to for a very long time, or even when all you want to do is go the hell to sleep? And why doesn't it work the other way around? Why is it whenever a man tries to take a page from that book, he inevitably gets his ass kicked?

Anyway, this has obviously developed into a major digression colored by my own personal grievances. I am very sorry to learn of your family. Nothing so monumentally tragic has ever happened to me, but the minor tragedies were quite enough. There have been times in life when music was just too much. When times are good, I can listen to music as music, as you have learned to do, but when times are bad, it packs too much of an emotional punch. I have never stayed away from it for very long. But there have been stretches where I have had to avoid any glimmer of romanticism whatsoever. When I wean myself back, it always on Haydn and Mozart, then I can ease into the stuff I really love without going to pieces.

Glad to have you back, Ken. Your posts are always a joy. Except, of course, for that one in the other thread about the "suspicious rocks." :cry2:

[Lurker 5]

Having breifly dated a woman from Canada and then reading your post, I have decided that a great deal of women from that country are E-V-I-L.

Neil

[Figo 2]

I find that Canadians all around are a bitter, rough-housing people. I think this can be attributed to several factors. First, the U.S. keeps dicking them over. We steal all their major talent, for one thing, and then refuse to recognize its country of origin, whether it be in the form of William Shatner, Lorne Greene or Alex Trebeck.

Secondly, those winters are brutal. I think many Canadians feel cheated that Canada is not considered part of Scandinavia. If it were, they would have excuses for painting the insides of their houses dark green, for rampant alcoholism and suicide, and they would also count among its citizenry numerous fine composers. As it is, they are Canadian, so they have none of these things.

I would be pissed off too, if the first things that sprang to most people's minds at the mere mention of my country were Jim Carrey and a bunch of singing mounties.

Figo, whose grandmother was obviously a Nelson Eddy fan.

[Ren 77]

Ken,

I'm so sorry! I had no idea about anything.

Keep your chin up and everything will be AOK!

[Mari 279]

Ken,

Welcome back!

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time!

Mari

Henry V (Walton)

[Morn 8]

Anyway, this has obviously developed into a major digression colored by my own personal grievances.  I am very sorry to learn of your family.  Nothing so monumentally tragic has ever happened to me, but the minor tragedies were quite enough.  There have been times in life when music was just too much. When times are good, I can listen to music as music, as you have learned to do,  but when times are bad, it packs too much of an emotional punch.

Maybe, but generally, I disagree. Better to get it out with music than to hold it in.

 I have never stayed away from it for very long.  But there have been stretches where I have had to avoid any glimmer of romanticism whatsoever.  When I wean myself back, it always on Haydn and Mozart, then I can ease into the stuff I really love without going to pieces.

What's wrong with going to pieces to music?

[Figo 2]

Morn? Do I really impress you as someone who "holds it in?"

beerchug

I don't think so.

[Ren 77]

LOL

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Oh yes, Figo is a meek and introverted soul. I hope he will someday find the courage to post his own opinion, however humble it may be.

Ray Barnsbury

[Morn 8]

That's different, it's aggression

[BigKenagain 0]

That's different, it's aggression  

Y'know what? Agression is an underrated emotion. Sure, like all things it's easily carried too far, sometimes violently so... But if more people were willing to assert a certain amount of agression, then we would have less phony situations and probably a lot happier people in general. My own circumstance for example... The psycho-woman whos sits to my left, if she had been a bit more aggressive, she might have gotten the promotion in the first place. Not that this would necessarily be a good thing, but then she would have been a lot happier and not have felt this psychotic desire to make my life a living hell...

Big Ken: just a thought... :roll:

[BigKenagain 0]

I find that Canadians all around are a bitter, rough-housing people.  

You'd be bitter too, if you had to claim kinship with people like Pamela Anderson

However, all of us look forward proudly to the winters when, after rich and full day hunting the Polar Bears on the glacial plains of Toronto, we can come to our televisions, and while the women-folk skin and prepare the Bear meat from the hunt, we can proudly watch the Maple Leafs get their a$$es whooped by teams from Nashville...

Big Ken: OOOOOO Can - a - da, our home and native laaaaaaand...

[Morn 8]

That's different, it's aggression  

Y'know what? Agression is an underrated emotion. Sure, like all things it's easily carried too far, sometimes violently so... But if more people were willing to assert a certain amount of agression, then we would have less phony situations and probably a lot happier people in general. My own circumstance for example... The psycho-woman whos sits to my left, if she had been a bit more aggressive, she might have gotten the promotion in the first place. Not that this would necessarily be a good thing, but then she would have been a lot happier and not have felt this psychotic desire to make my life a living hell...

If she had been a bit more aggressive, you might be dead.

[Dr. Know 492]

Oh, Ken, that's awful. I'm very sorry to hear about all the crap at work. Music has helped me through some tough times, too. Probably the worst thing I went through was a very very ugly divorce. It went on for five years, and ended in a five day long TRIAL. Ugh. I remember one day as I was driving to court for another day of hell, I stopped to pick up the latest new JW release -- The Patriot. I got to listen to some of it before arriving at the courthouse, and as horrible as that day was, I knew at the end of it I would be driving home with my 'friend' JW who never lets me down!

Cheers

Dr. Know (formerly Jimbo Jones -- remember me, Ken?)

[Figo 2]

Now, see? Big Ken is a Canadian with a sense of humor. A rare breed?

King Mark, take note! Why can't everyone (especially from Canada and Jersey) take my posts in the spirit they are intended? I'd like to blame it on a language barrier, but...

Actually, having talked to a lot of Jerseyites, that may be the case. :roll:

Figo, aggressive enough to have been awarded this past week, after years of trying, a special timeslot at the radio, which he is going to attempt to have syndicated.

Fi go!

Fi go!

[Figo 2]

Actually, in defense of Canadian humor (or "humour," as the case may be), a lot of very funny people have emerged from the Great White North -- the land of hockey, maple syrup, and -- okay, singing mounties. A few of the original Saturday Night Live cast (including Dan Aykroyd) and all of the SCTV regulars (John Candy, Eugene Levy, Rick Moranis, Harold Ramis, Dave Thomas, etc.) were Canadian. These people had a tremendous influence on molding my own predilections for the ridiculous -- and yes, silly -- in comedy. Only the Marx Brothers and Monty Python (neither Canadian) held equal sway. With that in mind, I'll try to very hard not to hold K.M. and Jim Carrey against you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I really have to run. Labor Day, you know.

Figo, busier on holidays than he is when ostensibly "working."

Oh yeah, Canada also gave us Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Bless you guys!

[King Mark 3,975]

I somewat feel unconcinable aboub this thread.

K.M. who has seen a lot more U.S citiesand landmarks than Canada..

Mark 2: Women ARE evil here.

[Lurker 5]

Why can't everyone (especially from Canada and Jersey) take my posts in the spirit they are intended?

Hey, I'm in Jersey!!

Neil

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Why can't everyone (especially from Canada and Jersey) take my posts in the spirit they are intended?

Hey, I'm in Jersey!!

Neil

and we all feel sorry for you, living in the most crowded of these 50 states.

[Lurker 5]

and we all feel sorry for you, living in the most crowded of these 50 states.  

I know...there is hardly any room for my full scale replica of the Enterprise.

Neil - who hopes Joe gets the reference

[Figo 2]

Hey! While we're on the topic of Canada (and way off topic on the subject of this thread), I'd like to pitch a question to our Canadian friends. Do those of you of a certain vintage -- and I think Big Ken is about the age I need -- remember a Canadian cartoon called Rocket Robin Hood? I ask, because I used to be transfixed by it every weekday afternoon when I got home from the third or fourth grade. I've talked about this show for years, but the only other person in the universe who seems to have seen it is my best friend (whom I didn't know at the time), and I always half-suspected he said he had seen it just to humor me.

Anyway, I just saw said friend today for the first time since my birthday. (His was yesterday.) We swapped gifts, and I opened mine up to find -- two video tapes, unlabelled. I popped one into the VCR, and you know what this knucklehead had done? He tracked down eight episodes of Rocket Robin Hood! Bless his heart, he found some guy on the internet who advertised his ambition to accumulate every cartoon ever made, and wrote him a check for his RRH collection. I guess he was running off copies in his basement somewhere in Canada.

I had no idea the show was even Canadian! What's more, there seems to be an Amazing Spiderman connection. The animation looks the same, and one of the episodes is actually titled Dementia Five -- a crossover?

Does this show still turn up on Canadian television? My friend seems to think so. I haven't seen it in the U.S. since the mid '70s.

[KittBash 361]

Big Ken I'm sorry to hear of the tragedies of your life! it's a testament to your strength of character to have pulled through so much in the last decade or so. Even at my young age(AHEM...........20cough..) I have used JW through every emotion growing up. I wish you the best of luck!!!!

As for Figo's off topic question about Rocket Robin hood. Even though I may be of a young age I remember this show!!! it was on in the mornings at like 6:30am! sadly I don't think it's been on the air for many years It was one just before Astro Boy in the 80's on a channel called Global (Although it wasn't globel then.) I've checked the Canadian version of the Cartoon network "teletoon" but there is no mention of it. :cry: Although I did find mention of it at http://www.toonarific.com/r/rocketrobinhood.html

Brian99_1 - Ah the the shows of my youth! (even though this one was like 1967 :roll: )

[Figo 2]

Thank you, Brian. I am gratified to know there are now two people in the universe beside me (and the guy who made the copies) who know this show.

Figo, somehow validated.

[Figo 2]

Zoiks! Your link may actually be the guy my friend ordered it from! The enclosed information seems to match the format.

Figo, adding it to his bookmarks.

[PBL 0]

You should send this to Williams, I'm sure it would make him feel really good. And yes, I have had similar experiences with music.

That's exactely what I had in mind.

I usually listen to music to confort me in rough times... actually, It worked like a kind of therapy. I used to be very susceptible (?) and had a lot of nervous breakdowns. Since the help of some friends of mine and mostly JW's music, I feel I'm going to climb mountains and take a flight over the moon lol

You should send this to John.

[Morn 8]

It helps me when I'm down by experiencing the sadness in a different setting and context, which works like a relief. Not that I get down much.

[The Five Tones 305]

I am gratified to know there are now two people in the universe beside me (and the guy who made the copies) who know this show.

Figo, somehow validated.

I remember Rocket Robin Hood and Astro Boy and Scott McLeod, Space Angel! I loved watching them alongside other 60's era action toons as Johnny Quest and Spider-Man.

I know that Spider-Man was voiced by a Torontonian, but I don't know about any connections, Canuck or otherwise, to RRH.

The five tones, still trying to scour away memories of watching Davey and Goliath! (For those who haven't seen it, it was a surreal claymation from that era about a boy and his dog having adventures and learning Christian morality from adults...)

And sorry for continuing the OT direction. I wouldn't be a good Canadian if I didn't apologize, right?

[The Five Tones 305]

I find that Canadians all around are a bitter, rough-housing people.  I think this can be attributed to several factors.  First, the U.S. keeps dicking them over.  We steal all their major talent, for one thing, and then refuse to recognize its country of origin, whether it be in the form of William Shatner, Lorne Greene or Alex Trebeck.  

Secondly, those winters are brutal.  I think many Canadians feel cheated that Canada is not considered part of Scandinavia.  If it were, they would have excuses for painting the insides of their houses dark green, for rampant alcoholism and suicide, and they would also count among its citizenry numerous fine composers.  As it is, they are Canadian, so they have none of these things.

Figo:

One would think that a few older, English Canadians are sorry that we are no longer a part of the late British Empire, the way they carry on! But personally, I do resent having my computer tell me that there is no "u" in "colour" or "labour."

I guess we now know that you don't consider Howard Shore a fine composer! Cronenberg does, but then of course he's one of us, too.

I think the upcoming Hulk film will make Mychael Danna (a Winnipeg boy like Ken) a name recognized by more than just the art film crowd.

But then, I know you were j/k about composers, as anyone who is hardcore about pop music or new music would know that most of the good composers/songwriters in North America are Canadian! :cool:

On a sadder note, alcoholism and suicide ARE rampant, especially with teens in our more isolated communities, First Nations and Innu communities.

[Ren 77]

Mark 2: Women ARE evil here.

NO they are NOT!

[Ren 77]

Hey!  While we're on the topic of Canada (and way off topic on the subject of this thread), I'd like to pitch a question to our Canadian friends.  Do those of you of a certain vintage -- and I think Big Ken is about the age I need -- remember a Canadian cartoon called

I still think the Racoons is one of my all time favorites!

[Morn 8]

fivetones, what country is Toronto?

[BigKenagain 0]

Thanks for all the well wishes everyone...

Figo; Rocket Robin Hood was a whole lot of fun, though my personal Saturday Morning preference went to...

and of course

[BigKenagain 0]

Oh, Ken, that's awful.  I'm very sorry to hear about all the crap at work.  Music has helped me through some tough times, too.  Probably the worst thing I went through was a very very ugly divorce.  It went on for five years, and ended in a five day long TRIAL.  Ugh.  I remember one day as I was driving to court for another day of hell, I stopped to pick up the latest new JW release -- The Patriot.  I got to listen to some of it before arriving at the courthouse, and as horrible as that day was, I knew at the end of it I would be driving home with my 'friend' JW who never lets me down!

Cheers

Dr. Know (formerly Jimbo Jones -- remember me, Ken?)

Of course I remember you Jimbo... You came to my rescue on the worst birthday of my life, so far...

Actually you have helped me out in a way you don't even know about... Your generous present of the discs from The Fury and The Towering Inferno have been some of the most listened to lately so thanks again.

I am so sorry to hear of the difficulty you went through and I truly hope that this matter has resolved itself... You have my thoughts and prayers.

Neil... All women are evil When you think you have finally started to understand them they throw out a WHOLE NEW SET OF RULES! See above...

Daryl Van Horn...

"Do you think God knew what he was doing when he created Woman?...

So what do you think? Women? A mistake or did he do it to us on purpose? I really want to know! Because if it's a mistake maybe we can do something about it... Find a cure! Invent a vaccine! Build up our immune systems... Get a little exercise... You know, twenty push ups a day and you never have to be afflicted with women, ever again!!!!!"

[Lurker 5]

Ken, you really liked The Superfriends with Wendy and Marvin? Not me, give me The Wonder Twins! I always imagined an episode where Wendy and Marvin are trapped and something happens (a nuclear bomb? a chemical disaster?) and like Spider Man or The Hulk, they evolve into The Wonder Twins.

And Shazam! is a lot of fun. I bought a "fan made" tape of it for my sister a few years ago, and really enjoyed it. Gotta love that old funky Filmation music!

Neil

[Figo 2]

HOLY SHIT (and I think the profanity will be excused in this instance), don't even get me started about women. A lot of you younger posters who shed tears upon your pillows for whomever happens to be playing mindgames with you at the moment have only begun to experience the unending misery women will bring to your life. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. A few of you may luck-out -- the earth may also fly into the sun :roll: -- but I daresay most of you are doomed to fool yourselves until it is too late.

On a lighter note, RRH was by no means my favorite cartoon. I just happened to watch it every weekday afternoon when I was a boy. I liked the mix of the swashbuckler and science fiction genres, although I was too young to be so analytical about it. It hit on all those timeless elements which appeal to little boys. How could you not love a series whose last episode was entitled Gargoyles, Gators and Gorillas? Too bad "dinosaurs" didn't begin with a "g!" Looking back now, I can't believe how bad the animation is. And yes, fivetones, there is a Spider-Man connection. Turns out it was the same production company, Canadian-based (although I think they later moved to New York).

And God, yes, I remember Davy and Goliath! Claymation is not the proper venue to be moralizing. Thank God they left that crap out of Gumby and Pokey. Even as a kid, I hated it!

I intentionally gave the snub to Howard Shore, although as usual I was merely overstating the case. There are several Canadian composers I know of, all of whom escape me at the moment, with the exception of Healy Willen, who was actually born in England.

Figo, who is not feeling particularly funny today -- on account of a woman -- but who is here in an attempt to remedy that.

[Figo 2]

By the way, I may have misheard, but I could swear that a character who appears in the RRH episode The Ghost Pirates of Caribia, from the last season (1969), is actually named Princess Leia!

[Morn 8]

I intentionally gave the snub to Howard Shore

[SkyMaker 0]

But if more people were willing to assert a certain amount of agression, then we would have less phony situations and probably a lot happier people in general

I can see how this may appear so, but agression can't be based on happiness. Much like love and anger can't be in the same space at the same time, and is overcomed by the other. Which means, to overcome love, then replace it with anger. Or, to overcome anger, than replace it with love.

So, to say that being somewhat agressive may create happier people, is a bit like saying to use gasoline to put the fire out.

Perhaps what you mean is determination. George Lucas is and have always been a non-aggresive type of director and producer. Yet, he can persuade people to his way of thinking when his script, Star Wars was rejected time and again by the other studios, all because of determination.

However, determination are supplied by the internal self, in all sorts of levels. We may be determined to be successful in career, but hopeless in romantic situations, etc.

So, what I am working on, is my determination to reach the goals that I've set for myself. And it's something that needs to be fed and magnified constantly.

With this tool, then you, and I can accomplish the goals we've set for ourselves, without the need to recede into other non-productive emotions.

[SkyMaker 0]

Ken, your circumstance that you had to go through with your wife and son, this will destroy me to a pulp. No, I wouldn't be able to handle that.

How long did it take you to recover??

[Ren 77]

well, guess i'll just leave the thread. . . . :roll: bah to you too!

not ALL women are like that.

[Figo 2]

You've just proved my point. Typical female, getting all offended.

[RomanticStrings 62]

A lot of you younger posters who shed tears upon your pillows for whomever happens to be playing mindgames with you at the moment have only begun to experience the unending misery women will bring to your life.  Sorry, but that's just the way it is.  A few of you may luck-out -- the earth may also fly into the sun  :roll:  -- but I daresay most of you are doomed to fool yourselves until it is too late.

Figo, who is not feeling particularly funny today -- on account of a woman -- but who is here in an attempt to remedy that.

Actually, I'm even too young to know about the horribleness of women. Many of the boys in my sophomore class may claim to know, but I am one of theose people who thinks that dating in high school is completely worthless (in most cases). I know that my sister can be really mean, but that's because she's an older sibling. All of the girls I know are actually very nice to me. I know that they can get upset, but so can everyone. Maybe I'll learn in college the horribleness of women (though I hope i don't).

~Conor

[RomanticStrings 62]

well, guess i'll just leave the thread. . . . :roll: bah to you too!

not ALL women are like that.

I hope she's right.

~Conor