Music - my one constant through it all...

[Figo 2]

LOL

Conor, trust me, you will have a lot of horrible times with women, but you will also have a lot of very wonderful, happy times. I hope profoundly happy.

You're right, though, high school dating is worthless. Very few high school unions are destined to last -- but that can be said for unions in general, I suppose. If you have genuine feelings for someone, it's always best to act on them. If nothing else, it will expose you to aspects of life, love and misery that you probably never knew existed. That's the real point, I guess. I don't think I would go on a date merely for the sake of dating, not even today. But if you think you can share something special with someone, even if it's destined not to "last," it's worth a shot. We're all mortal, after all, and under the best of circumstances, all any of us have together is roughly half a century, give or take a decade, from puberty to the grave. Seems like a long time in high school, but it's really not.

On that uplifting note, good luck!

[Figo 2]

P.S. My sister used to be really mean to me, too. Now she's too busy abusing her own family.

[Ren 77]

You've just proved my point.  Typical female, getting all offended.

bah.

i just don't like being out numbered! LOL

[Ren 77]

I know I'm right!

I mean, all the girls that I consider my friends have their heads screwed on straight 99.9% of the time. I HATE head games, I don't like being mean, I like to be honest. . .blah de blah blah blah.

There are really nice ones out there. . . .usually they are the ones playing the piano in church/mass

[Ren 77]

LOL

Conor, trust me, you will have a lot of horrible times with women, but you will also have a lot of very wonderful, happy times.  I hope profoundly happy.

But if you think you can share something special with someone, even if it's destined not to "last," it's worth a shot.  

P. S. remember all the experiences you have until you find "the one" shape and mold you into who you will be come. Don't regret anything and it all happens for a reason.

I'm sure I'm stepping over the line here but to give you a VERY quick example, 2 relationships ago it was 'passive' nothing mattered to this guy, not even time. Then the next one, it was 'agressive' and I mean abusive I was like holy cow I can't win! But those 2 relationships shaped me into who I am today, I know what I like and don't like and now I'm perfectly happy in a balanced relationship.

So there is hope!

[Figo 2]

There are really nice ones out there. . .  .usually they are the ones playing the piano in church/mass

I knew it. Those churchers are always the biggest hellers. It's never as good as when the pope has his hand on the doorknob, eh boys?

Be that as it may, I think Ren is overstating the "heads being screwed on straight 99.9% of the time" angle. Any man with even a moderate level of perception will tell you women are completely insufferable 25% of the time.

Figo, doing his part to mend the rift between the sexes.

[Ren 77]

ok, maybe 75% percent of the time......more for the ones that I know.

[Figo 2]

Okay, deal -- 75% of the time. Let's clap hands in a bargain.

Ewww. Slipped me the tongue.

[Ren 77]

LOL :wow: * LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL sucking noise*

[Mari 279]

You've just proved my point.  Typical female, getting all offended.

bah.

i just don't like being out numbered! LOL

Sorry I wasn't here to back you up sooner Ren! For some reason they don't want me to spend all my time at work on the board.

No Conor, Figo, et. al., females are not 100% evil.

Mari, 25% evil LOL

Violin Concerto 1 (Sibelius)

[Ren 77]

That's OK Mari,

I understand!

Mari, 25% evil   LOL

same here! devilish I tell you just devilish!!!!!

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

My girlfriend was pretty overbearing. She would want to spend so much time together that I got sick of it. She also acted in ways with other guys that I didn't think someone who is going out with someone else should act. Somehow, it lasted 6 months, but now we get along better that we're not going out anymore. So I know that girls aren't all 100% evil . . . but I'm convinced that a good portion of those in high school are.

Ray Barnsbury

[Lurker 5]

ok, maybe 75% percent of the time......more for the ones that I know.

So for one week, out of four, women are evil.

Wonder which week that would be.

Neil

[BigKenagain 0]

Ren and Mari;

I made my statement a little hastily, just that for the most part I have not been well treated by your gender. With the exception of my wife, the truth is that relationships, both romantic and friendly have not always gone well. I was raised by my widowed Grandmother and my twice divorced Mother. I had two sisters, two female cats and a female dog... needless to say Testosterone levels in my household were not a major concern. I learned about "feminine protection" before most boys knew that there was a physical difference between boys and girls. Not to put to fine a point on it, but I knew when my sisters were having their "monthly visitor" before they did... for a few years I had it down to the day!!!! I have always been taught to respect women. In fact one of the last pieces of advice my Grandfather gave me, before passing away, was "no real man, ever hits a woman... even if she deserves it!!!" I know now that he was refering to not fighting with my sisters, but it is an advice I have taken to heart. My Mother taught me to always listen to what women had to say, my Grandmother taught me that women were (sorry about this fellas) wiser than most men. So you see it is a healthy respect that I have for women... and having said all that, women for the most part treat me ( and most of the men I know) like doormats.

I have come to the conclusion, after years of clinical research, that men will NEVER know what women want, because WOMEN DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT!!!! For decades, women have professed the desire to meet a nice, sensitive, gentle, kind, considerate, intelligent man. And this is true, as long as all these qualities come wrapped up with Mel Gibson's face, Pierce Brosnan's ass and Donald Trump's bank account. Know, I know what you are thinking everyone, this sounds very cynical... Maybe I am, I wasn't always. Y'know, Guys have been the object of scorn for years because we lust after women like Pamela Anderson Daisy Fuentes and The latest cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition... While this is sadly true, here's the truth... Were in the open about it!!!! Does that make it right ? NOPE, but at least you know where you stand!!!! And if you decide to follow that guy down the aisle, then it's your own funeral. Now, I personally think Pamela Anderson 8O is an unattractive, silicon moulded, vapid, brain-dead, talentless, simpering moron... whose only redeeming feature seems to be that eventually she will die like the rest of us (I think, isn't silicon a known preservative). Daisy Fuentes, while reasonably attractive, has the intellectual capacity of a garden hose and I stopped being interested in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition after the last Kathy Ireland cover...

I personally know of at least three friends, who would fill every one of the criteria listed above, but all are,sadly, single. I say sadly, because they are valuable human beings, who any sane woman would want to be with, but friend number one has a weight problem, friend number two is the exact opposite, he's 6' 7" and weighs 185... When we were kids we used to use him to get the football out of the sewer and the third guy, well I'll leave him out of it, because he has other issues he's dealing with at this time... So what is wrong with these guys??? Nothing!!!! Why aren't they dating??? It isn't for lack of trying... And when they have been in relationships they were frequently one sided and abusive... So I am sorry when I say that all women are evil, I just haven't had proof that I am wrong as yet...

Big Ken: who after all that is a hopeless... wait-a-minute, hopeful romantic and knows that somewhere his "Basheart" is waiting...

[Morn 8]

LOL All women are evil

[Figo 2]

ok, maybe 75% percent of the time......more for the ones that I know.

So for one week, out of four, women are evil.

Wonder which week that would be.

Neil

Um. Isn't this what I meant when I said 25%? Neil, I'm surprised at you.

Figo, who pays the price for his rare subtlety.

For the record, Big K., I have no trouble at all getting dates. It's finding a woman worth dating that's the problem (which doesn't prevent me from making bad choices). Women can be erratic, but I admit I too seem to have my "time of the month." To my credit, I always try to be considerate of a woman's feelings, even when I myself am going haywire. I cannot say that the reverse has ever, to my knowledge, been true. They're born to rage, my friend, and we as men are supposed to take it.

Lord help you, though, if you ever lose patience and "tell it like it is." 8O

[Ren 77]

ok, maybe 75% percent of the time......more for the ones that I know.

So for one week, out of four, women are evil.

Wonder which week that would be.

Neil

period.

[Ren 77]

Big Ken, I'm sorry to hear about it.

Morn, all women are not evil.

And thank you for saying that no real man would ever hit a woman because some people tend to forget that stuff. I hope some sorry man surfs through this thread and reads it.

about the whole dating thing. I do NOT think that looks matter though I do know many women who think they do. I am dating a guy with a weight problem, but it doesn't matter to me. Having a weight problem does not make you unattractive. He is one of the nicest most sincere guys in the world. He treats me like gold. He listens to me and after the relationships I've been in, I understand what I need and he provides it. I am trying to help him with his weight because I care and want him to be healthy, but it is his life and I can't change him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not "wanting" him to change, I just want him to be healthy and have healthy habits....get my drift?

I can't stand people who go solely on looks because if that's what they rely on, I'd hate to have a conversation with them......

way too much personal info....sorry.....

off my soap box.

[Lurker 5]

Big Ken,  I'm sorry to hear abou tit.

And now Ren is sexually harrassing Big Ken with this "typo".

Women are truly evil.

Neil

[Ren 77]

ha

i fixed it as you were posting!!!!!

[Lurker 5]

Don't you mean, "I fixed 'tit'"?

Neil - being bad

[Ren 77]

LOL

Ren, sipping a Raspberry Gimlet.

[Morn 8]

And thank you for saying that no real man would ever hit a woman because some people tend to forget that stuff.

I hope you'll say the reverse is true Less you not be sexist

[Guest]

Ren;

I am so glad that you have found someone who treats you well, that really is the most important thing in any relationship, that and laughter. I agree that it is important that your friend develop "healthy" habits, as weight issues can degenerate as people get older, so I hope that he is able to work out his problem. It will be a lot easier for him to do that, knowing that you will support him in his endeavour and won't care if he struggles a little along the way...

Neil;

You are just a s**t-disturber ain'tcha???? I knew there was something about you I liked...

Figo;

It never crossed my mind that you couldn't get a date, I just hope things work out for you with the current person in your life. If you want them to, of course...

And as for me, personally, I am just getting back into the dating scene after a decade long absence. It seems some times that there is a serious lack of interesting women out there, but I have found someone I am interested in. She is an extremely intelligent 30 year old, with three kids. She has deep brown eyes you can get lost in, thick black hair, a sense of humour and a biting wit... We aren't really dating yet, but I am hopeful that things will develop further. We've been friends for about a year now, and I am thinking that it may be time to test the waters about moving to the next phase... I will keep y'all posted.

Ren, by the by you seem to be a good sport... you and a few others, restore my faith in womankind... You go girl...

[Guest]

Ren;

I am so glad that you have found someone who treats you well, that really is the most important thing in any relationship, that and laughter. I agree that it is important that your friend develop "healthy" habits, as weight issues can degenerate as people get older, so I hope that he is able to work out his problem. It will be a lot easier for him to do that, knowing that you will support him in his endeavour and won't care if he struggles a little along the way...

Neil;

You are just a s**t-disturber ain'tcha???? I knew there was something about you I liked...

Figo;

It never crossed my mind that you couldn't get a date, I just hope things work out for you with the current person in your life. If you want them to, of course...

And as for me, personally, I am just getting back into the dating scene after a decade long absence. It seems some times that there is a serious lack of interesting women out there, but I have found someone I am interested in. She is an extremely intelligent 30 year old, with three kids. She has deep brown eyes you can get lost in, thick black hair, a sense of humour and a biting wit... We aren't really dating yet, but I am hopeful that things will develop further. We've been friends for about a year now, and I am thinking that it may be time to test the waters about moving to the next phase... I will keep y'all posted.

Ren, by the by you seem to be a good sport... you and a few others, restore my faith in womankind... You go girl...

[Ren 77]

Ren;  

I am so glad that you have found someone who treats you well, ....knowing that you will support him in his endeavour and won't care if he struggles a little along the way...  

Thanks Big Ken.

And as for me, personally, I am just getting back into the dating scene after a decade long absence. We aren't really dating yet, but I am hopeful that things will develop further. We've been friends for about a year now, and I am thinking that it may be time to test the waters about moving to the next phase... I will keep y'all posted.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. Women can be hard to read sometimes. LOL

Ren, by the by you seem to be a good sport... you and a few others, restore my faith in womankind... You go girl...

There is hope out there. . . . . .

[Lurker 5]

Ren;  

I am so glad that you have found someone who treats you well, ....knowing that you will support him in his endeavour and won't care if he struggles a little along the way...  

Neil;

Thanks Neil.

Ren, I think "Guest" was BigKen. I didn't type that, so you should be thanking him.

I'm the "s**t-disturber".

Neil

[Ren 77]

sounds good, thanks Neil.

[BigKenLittle 6]

After yet another bout of internet muck, I am finally able to post again. Yes it was me who posted that last bit of info... Thanks for the clarification Neil.

Yes, Ren... Women can be very hard to read, especially when they keep changing their minds all the time, but I think I am a pretty good judge of character... So I am hopeful as always. The only problem is... I don't think she likes John Williams' music eek2 bawling banghead

[Morn 8]

Then dump her or make her like it!

[BigKenLittle 6]

Then dump her or make her like it!

I had thought of tying her to a chair with silken bonds and putting on a cd of all of JW's love themes and songs... but then who knows where that might lead

Big Ken; who needs a few minutes alone n... ooops, too late :oops:

[Lurker 5]

Now that's what I call a sticky situtation.

Neil

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Then dump her or make her like it!

I had thought of tying her to a chair with silken bonds and putting on a cd of all of JW's love themes and songs... but then who knows where that might lead

LOL I think that would be disturbing for Williams if he heard about it in the news.

Big Ken; who needs a few minutes alone n... ooops, too late :oops:

Easy there, killer. :wow:

Ray Barnsbury

[Ren 77]