Xander Harris 9,674 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 No one tags anything right anyway, at least on iTunes. Not even the album titles.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Same here. And of course, even if all the titles have the right words and spellings, they never follow standard rules for punctuation in titles. NEVER. Why in the world would you want to capitalize every single word in every single title? That's not how titles work.Considering this is music and not a literary essay, I make sure the first letter of every word is capitalized. Looks better to me. I'm very OCD about organization.For album titles, disc numbers always go in brackets and any other necessary information goes into parentheses.For example...The Danny Elfman & Tim Burton 25th Anniversary Music Box (Collector's Edition Bonus Disc) [Disc 17]
Xander Harris 9,674 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I generally don't do that parentheses shit. I hate cluttered titles. For tracks with long subtitles, I use the lyrics.
indy4 160 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I don't mind parentheses, but I never include things like Disc numbers. My Bonus CD is under the album: "The Danny Elfman Tim Burton 25th Anniversary Music Box (Bonus Disc)." I try to avoid similar and long album titles, so I don't need to rely on album artwork when I'm scrolling through my iPod, but sometimes it's unavoidable.I also think that capitalizing every word looks bad, but sometimes I knowingly capitalize words that shouldn't be to make it look better. For instance, if there's a relatively long preposition, like "with," I'll probably capitalize it.I also kinda like it when I have to spend time correcting the track titles, because it gives me an excuse to listen to the music while I work on the titles without feeling unproductive.
Marian Schedenig 11,694 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 For album titles, disc numbers always go in brackets and any other necessary information goes into parentheses.I just put the disc number in the disc number tag...
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Considering this is music and not a literary essay, I make sure the first letter of every word is capitalized. Looks better to me. I'm very OCD about organization.Well, I'm very OCD about doing stuff right. There are specific rules for how to capitalize or NOT capitalize words in titles of...well, just about anything. Including music. When words that aren't supposed to be capitalized are capitalized, it looks wrong - mainly because it IS wrong. For instance, you don't capitalize articles like "the" or "a" unless they're at the beginning or end of the title, or part of a common phrase. Same goes for short prepositions like "of" and "in." So "The Battle" is correct, but so is "King of Pride Rock." Similarly, "I've Got a Plane to Catch" is correct, but so is "...To Die For." (Note that "to" and "for" would be lowercase if they weren't at the beginning and end of the title, respectively.) [EDIT: Words like "with" are debatable anyway, indy4, so you can really pick whichever looks better on case-by-case basis.]That's what's correct. If your OCD leads you to incorrectly capitalizing the titles, more's the pity. For album titles, disc numbers always go in brackets and any other necessary information goes into parentheses.For example...The Danny Elfman & Tim Burton 25th Anniversary Music Box (Collector's Edition Bonus Disc) [Disc 17]Ewwwwwwwwwwww! I prefer to actually be able to see the title whole so I can...you know...use it to figure out which album I'm looking at. I put the disc number in the...well, disc number field, and I leave out parenthetical information unless it's needed to contrast with a similar album. (Usually, the complete soundtrack has no parenthetical information, and the OST has (OST) after it.) For series of films, I'll even abbreviate the franchise name down to the sort of acronyms we use around here, so that I can just see the film number and title. Again, the idea is to impart the information that is useful to me so that I can find the music I'm looking for as easily as possible.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I never have trouble finding my music, it's called the "search" field. And the more specific the title, the easier it is to find.
indy4 160 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 (Note that "to" and "for" would be lowercase if they weren't at the beginning and end of the title, respectively.) [EDIT: Words like "with" are debatable anyway, indy4, so you can really pick whichever looks better on case-by-case basis.]Interesting, I always thought that prepositions were all lowercase.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I never have trouble finding my music, it's called the "search" field. So uncivilized. Oh right, you don't watch those movies. Anyway, that may work for iTunes (even though that makes most of the library disappear), but I certainly can't do that with my iPod - and its screen is a lot smaller, too. (Note that "to" and "for" would be lowercase if they weren't at the beginning and end of the title, respectively.) [EDIT: Words like "with" are debatable anyway, indy4, so you can really pick whichever looks better on case-by-case basis.]Interesting, I always thought that prepositions were all lowercase.Definitely not long ones like "through." Those get capitalized. But there's debate about ones with four letters like "with" and "over." I almost always capitalize them, personally, but it can be acceptable to leave them lower-case, according to a lot of people.
Jay 46,244 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I definitely capitalize every word of every title in all my music tagging
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Whhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Xander Harris 9,674 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I generally don't. I'm usually faithful to the track listing and score label releases are usually not all caps. But in cases where all the text on the cover is capitalized, I start using lower cases for "the", "and", "for", "in" etc.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Even if the person who typed up the track listing on the album art committed the atrocious error of incorrectly capitalizing certain words, I still fix it.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I go with whatever it says on the CD. For two or more composers, I always use an ampersand.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 For my own edits, none of the above. I prefer the en dash "-", but that's just a personal choice. The slash "/" would be my second choice, but something about it always looks awkward to me. I definitely wouldn't use "and" because it's not uncommon for a track to contain five or six cues...it'd be pretty awkward to have a track titled "Padme's Visit and Heroes Collide and Duel of the Fates and Yoda Falls and The Boys Continue and Yoda to Exile and Revenge of the Sith." Not that it's not awkward with the dashes, but at least it's easier to visually demarcate the different cue titles, and the whole title is at least a little shorter. I feel the same way about the ampersand "&".However, these days, if I'm just importing a CD (as opposed to making my own edit), I'll usually leave the "and" or slash or whatever as it is. And I treat it as two distinct titles, so the first letter after the "and" is always capitalized.
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 If it looks right, I capitalize, if it doesn't, I don't, regardless of English rules.For seperating tracks I either use / or ;.I usually stick to the score/cd titles, unless I don't like the titles, in which case I change them.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I never change the names of the CD tracks, but my current preference for my own edits is to use whatever original cue titles are available, and then pick straightforward names for everything else. If, er...my feet are warm as I'm preparing the edit, I'll often use whatever name is written on my...footwear.
Xander Harris 9,674 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I've changed track titles that don't have separations or have weird separations using a slash. For instance, Out to Sea and the Shark Cage Fugue on Spielberg/Williams. I figure one we all know. On the CD, it's listed on two lines as "a." and "b.", yet they're one track. So I labeled it as "Out to Sea/The Shark Cage Fugue". I also changed many Amazing Stories Two and Three tracks, where the booklets actually have the cues separated with semicolons as opposed to slashes. I may still change that back, but it seemed more like a clerical or kind of typographical error. Especially since the first set uses slashes and the booklets are otherwise consistent.
Marian Schedenig 11,694 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Even if the person who typed up the track listing on the album art committed the atrocious error of incorrectly capitalizing certain words, I still fix it.
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 It's weird how some new albums are on there and some aren't. Bruce has said in the past that the titles should be on there by the time customers receive their discs.Ah, that's what I wanted to know, thanks. As it turns out, I just checked again, and the info is now up. So, import already in progress.
Demodex 593 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Listened to some of the score to TPM yesterday, and I still have no idea what Shmi's theme sounds like or where it appears in the film. Anyone know what exact track times from the UE and AOTC soundtrack it appears at?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Check out 1:26 in AOTC's "The Tusken Camp."
indy4 160 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Anybody know the best release for the film soundtrack of West Side Story? And is there any reason to consider the Broadway soundtrack if I've never seen the play?
Basti 0 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Do the titles of film scores (e.g. "In the Jungle", "Short Round Helps" etc. pp.) get their names in advance (while composing) or when their issued on CD/LP?
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I believe it depends on who assembles the album. They could use the composer's titles on the sketches or create new titles.
Wojo 2,458 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Or something like Star Wars. The original soundtrack releases use simple, charming titles that sound like JW picked most of them, but the Special Edition soundtracks require you to become a Star Wars nerd to understand any of the track titles.
Demodex 593 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Check out 1:26 in AOTC's "The Tusken Camp." Thanks.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Sure thing!As for track titles...well, generally, every cue gets its own title as it's being composed. (I think they have to title them for licensing reasons...something like that? Not sure.) In Williams' case, maybe 30-50% of the final CD track titles are taken from these original cue titles (or modified slightly from those titles), but a lot of things get totally renamed, and for good reason. You get goofy cue titles like "It's a Bird!" (from Star Wars, not Superman) or amusingly dull cue titles like "Ben Creeps Around" (same film) or ones that just don't make any sense whatsoever, like "Wompi's Wrench" (from TLW). Some of them even have technical names like "Insert Bar 57." So Williams or someone else goes through and renames the weird ones - and of course, sometimes they change dramatically from release to release.I suppose it's possible that CD track titles are discussed earlier in the process, but I would think that if they were, they'd just use them for the cue titles...and they don't.But every composer's different. Michael Giacchino, for instance, tends to use original cue titles as track titles a lot of the time, I think. (Though someone - Chris Tilton, maybe? - said that Giacchino doesn't really pick those titles, so who knows whose doing they are.)
Naïve Old Fart 13,023 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I've always wondered: do composers name their own cues, or are they named by the orchestrator, or music editor?What is the cue that Williams forgot to name in ROTS?
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I'll go for 'Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious'.
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 wasnt it actually "Greivous Travels To [Lord/Darth] Sidious?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 The OST track "Grievous and the Droids" has no cue title, just a slate number. As far as I know, all the other cues have names. ("Anakin's Betrayal" was originally titled "Lament", and "Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious" was originally titled "Grievous Travels to Palpatine.") And I'm pretty sure Williams comes up with his own cue titles; if not, someone else comes up with them before he writes the music, but I doubt that. He also has some idiosyncratic misspellings..."Indie" instead of "Indy", "Vadar" instead of "Vader", etc.
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 He also has some idiosyncratic misspellings..."Indie" instead of "Indy", "Vadar" instead of "Vader", etc.im not fully tracking here, what does idiosyncratic have to do with that?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 They're...his idiosyncrasies? I'm not sure what's so confusing about that statement, haha...
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 so that its a crazy thing he does?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 An idiosyncrasy is a little unusual characteristic that is rather unique to a specific person. A quirk. Or, to use dictionary.com's definition, "a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual." He makes these same mistakes repeatedly, and most people don't, so I think I used the word correctly...what am I missing here?
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 An idiosyncrasy is a little unusual characteristic that is rather unique to a specific person. A quirk. Or, to use dictionary.com's definition, "a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual." He makes these same mistakes repeatedly, and most people don't, so I think I used the word correctly...what am I missing here?i just said that didnt I?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 You said a "crazy thing", and you seemed to think that "idiosyncratic" was the wrong word to use...if you've got a problem, spit it out, man!
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 i wanted to make sure i had the right conclusion and i did, you meant a quirk, something strange that he does out of habit, that we might not do or find strange
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Whew, okay...glad we got that cleared up. New question: for a score in which there are a just few synth parts (such as most Williams scores), are these usually performed "live" with the rest of the orchestra, or are they recorded separately? I don't mean the source of the audio...clearly, they're not playing the synth part through a speaker and then putting a mic next to the speaker. I'm just wondering if, say, Randy Kerber was sitting with the orchestra and playing all those solos and runs in Harry Potter, or if they just recorded him doing those at another time. (And if they ARE recorded at the same time, does Williams use headphones or something to hear them?)I've been guessing that these are generally recorded separately, but I wasn't sure.
Jeff 10 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 A related question - to what extent are composers allowed to record elements separately? It would probably be most efficient for the composer/conducter to have everyone there at the same time, but I have a vague memory of something to do with union rules that restrict how live musicians' work is used. For instance, can mixers layer a single clarinetist playing the 1st and 2nd clarinet part, or do they have to hire two clarinetists? I could be completely making all of this up, so don't take this as a suggestion of fact, it's 100% question.
Smeagol 0 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I have a question and since I haven't seen a related thread, I'll ask it here:Is anybody else sad that Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross are writing the score for Fincher's "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo"?
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 A related question - to what extent are composers allowed to record elements separately? It would probably be most efficient for the composer/conducter to have everyone there at the same time, but I have a vague memory of something to do with union rules that restrict how live musicians' work is used. For instance, can mixers layer a single clarinetist playing the 1st and 2nd clarinet part, or do they have to hire two clarinetists? I could be completely making all of this up, so don't take this as a suggestion of fact, it's 100% question.I'm not the best person to answer this, but I do know that time is money when you're recording a film score. The musicians get paid for every second they're in the studio, which means that there's a strong motivation to work quickly. (Maybe not for the musicians, but for everyone else. ) So I don't know about what they're allowed to do, but generally, for a traditional-ish orchestral score, they seem to hire enough musicians to cover all the parts simultaneously without overdubbing. They use overdubbing more if they're not sure if an element will be wanted in the final mix...stuff like percussion and soloists and whatnot.Again, not the best person to answer this, though.
Naïve Old Fart 13,023 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Following on from that: was the synthesiser in "The Magic Tree", overdubbed, or recorded live with the orcgestra?P.s., same thing goes for "The Planet Krypton". Actually; what's to stop something like "Cantina Band" I, and II from being recorded seperately, by a multi-insturmentalist, Mike Oldfield-style?
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Whew, okay...glad we got that cleared up. New question: for a score in which there are a just few synth parts (such as most Williams scores), are these usually performed "live" with the rest of the orchestra, or are they recorded separately? I don't mean the source of the audio...clearly, they're not playing the synth part through a speaker and then putting a mic next to the speaker. I'm just wondering if, say, Randy Kerber was sitting with the orchestra and playing all those solos and runs in Harry Potter, or if they just recorded him doing those at another time. (And if they ARE recorded at the same time, does Williams use headphones or something to hear them?)I've been guessing that these are generally recorded separately, but I wasn't sure.I think Williams records his live at times. I believe for A.I. he had the synths on stage with the orchestra. I believe Goldsmith recorded most of his separately.I have a question and since I haven't seen a related thread, I'll ask it here:Is anybody else sad that Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross are writing the score for Fincher's "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo"?Yes, although I've been sad about the current state of film music for quite some time.
Marian Schedenig 11,694 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I believe Goldsmith recorded most of his separately.Doesn't the recording session footage on the docu DVD have the synths on stage?
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I think the only one I recall is Lionheart. And I believe he is playing on his own.My goodness, I believe it's a been a few years since I last watched it. I need to go back and view it again.
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