How does John Williams's "The Adventures of Tintin" fare compared to his recent blockbuster scores?

[Josh500 1,620]

I kinda lost interest in the film score world for a while in the mid-2000s for some reason, but since 2007 or so I've been back into it and also been making sure to see more important movies

How about Munich? Did you see that?

Munich has become one of my all-time favorite Spielberg movies, actually.

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Okay, now it's a tie between TPM and Tintin!

[Jay 46,244]

I saw Munich in the theater, yea. Only listened to that OST once as well.

[Josh500 1,620]

I saw Munich in the theater, yea. Only listened to that OST once as well.

The album as a whole is not Johnny's best, but I simply can't get enough of "Thoughts of Home" (and its variation "Avner and Daphna"). One of the most haunting, saddest, and at the same time most beautiful compositions by JW!

Listen to it a couple more times, and it might grow on you!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

bootleg?

Yes the Terminal bootleg.

[Elmo Lewis 7]

Better than War of the Worlds, Minority Report and CoS

About tied with KotCS (severely underestimated here) and AotC.

Less good than A.I., TPM , RotS and HP1 and 3.

Exactly this.

It does seem like Williams gave Tintin a certain amount of effort (being a Spielberg movie and all), but not too much. At least his writing does sound bored.

[hornist 1,261]

Writing sounds bored?

[King Mark 3,975]

bootleg?

Yes the Terminal bootleg.

As in Terminal Recording Sessions with unreleased music?

Or fan made DVD rip edit

I have never heard of a Terminal bootleg until today.

[Jay 46,244]

There was no recording sessions leak for The Terminal, so he's either talking about a rip of a CDR someone made him of the OST, or some kind of expanded fan edit using dvd rips.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Well if you guys don't know then I certainly don't.

[Jay 46,244]

I'm guessing it was just a straight rip of the OST. Was it a CDR someone mailed you, or did you receive it as digital files?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

MP3's.

[Jonesy 55]

I think Tintin is better than KOTCS and COS, but on the other hand I like it as much as the prequels, SS and POA.

[Josh500 1,620]

Okay, TPM has overtaken Tintin!

Now A.I. and Tintin are tied.

[publicist 4,650]

Memoirs was a pretty good movie

Just don't take it at face value:

"Memoirs of a Geisha might as well be science-fiction, because for all the insight, research, and humanity afforded this project, it comes down to exotic, imaginary creatures flitting about in a fantasy of bellum-Japan--Star Wars' cantina scene stretched to feature-length. This is exactly the tactic, in fact, that the filmmakers (and Golden) would seem to encourge: it's not history, it's that holy grail of the ignorant and callow, Just a Movie (i.e. completely meaningless, impact-less, ephemeral)." by Walter Chaw

People who actually are asians seem to puke regularly at what Hollywood has done to their history.

[Ricard 2,672]

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.

[SF1_freeze 138]

RotS, AOTC, TPM, PoA, SS are better than Tintin

[Josh500 1,620]

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.

Well, folks here can vote whenever they feel they are ready...

I for one have seen the movie, and I can pretty definitely say (from my current standpoint), which scores I prefer over Tintin... or not.

[King Mark 3,975]

Ricard is right.

I'm basing this on the OST, and likely when I hear the unreleased music I'll change my mind

Like:

KotCS OST + Recording sessions leaked cues > Tintin based on OST

RotS expanded score with videogame files> Tintin based on OST

KOTCS OST and RotS OST = Tintin OST

I didn't like RotS too much based on the OSt and now I'm obsessed with getting every note from videogames

[Josh500 1,620]

Well, once you have seen the movie, you can changes your votes anyway.

[publicist 4,650]

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.

I have seen the movie and i cannot remember a single piece desperately crying 'Release me, i'm a well-thought out set piece shamefully omitted from the album".

[King Mark 3,975]

Shooting the Plane?

For me it will depend it the statements of Tintin's theme that were left off the album could have been important to add.

for the other themes , unless there's a really kick ass variation that was left off I don't think it will matter

[SF1_freeze 138]

Of all those scores TPM, PoA and SS are the clearest superior ones. It baffles me that TPM is so close to Tintin, TPM is a better score in every respect...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

How do you quantify that?

[publicist 4,650]

Shooting the Plane?

As far as i remember, it heavily utilizes already released material. This is neither POTTER I nor STAR WARS, where you had to wait only 5 minutes to find the first longer unreleased cue. You get more of the evil Sakharine theme on the ship, but well...bottlecaps, you know?

[Ricard 2,672]

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.

I have seen the movie and i cannot remember a single piece desperately crying 'Release me, i'm a well-thought out set piece shamefully omitted from the album".

It's not just about unreleased highlights (which BTW is something very subjective). It's about appreciating the score as a whole. Most of the original OSTs of the scores listed in the poll are likable but have nothing to do with the experience of listening to their respective full scores.

[publicist 4,650]

It's not just about unreleased highlights (which BTW is something very subjective). It's about appreciating the score as a whole. Most of the original OSTs of the scores listed in the poll are likable but have nothing to do with the experience of listening to their respective full scores.

I'm certainly far from a "harp flourish" collector some of the more intense fans here are, but i can assure you that i certainly realize if a film is a musical bonanza filled with unreleased nuggets.

Of course, you can have a wholly different notion, but i'd wager that most will agree that it's not one of those travesties like i cited above. There is additional music, but most of it is either unsubstantial, i. e. short or uses already released material in a (very) slightly different fashion.

[King Mark 3,975]

ok that gives me a better idea what to expect

[Ricard 2,672]

There is additional music, but most of it is either unsubstantial, i. e. short or uses already released material in a (very) slightly different fashion.

Still, it would give a totally different perspective compared to the OST. Even re-arranging the OST cues in chronological order changes it (for the worst), because of the missing music.

[gkgyver 1,647]

I'd take Tintin over all of these, except the three Potters (and Geisha, but that doesn't qualify).

The prequels do nothing for me, AotC and TPM least of all. I know, I know, they're hacked to pieces, but the source material that is available does nothing for me either, so I doubt there are many highlights that could convert me.

[Romão 2,473]

This is all a bit premature still, but I'd place Tintin above all except TPM and AI. I'm still not sure when comparing it with the 1st and 3rd Harry Potter, as well as ROTS

[KK 3,313]

I saw Munich in the theater, yea. Only listened to that OST once as well.

You only listened to Munich once?

I loved that score. It was quite a powerful Williams score and one of my favourites of that year. It captured some of the gravity of Schindler's List (although not as powerful) and turned out to be a great score. 2005 was a stellar year for the maestro. Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Star Wars III were fantastic scores!!!! I even appreciate War of the Worlds to some degree.

- KK

Tintin is a fantastic score and one of the favourite of the decade! But I've been fond of all of Williams scores in the 00's. However, I prefer the 3 Potter scores and the SW prequels over Tintin. While I adore AI (fantastic score!), I think I might have to put Tintin a bit above that.....

I respect Minority Report and War of the Worlds because they're intelligent scores and I completely understand what Williams was going for. It may not have translated as well as it could have on album, but they had moments and I appreciate them. Indy 4 had moments, but Tintin surpasses it greatly. I've got to say that Tintin is one of the best Williams scores of the decade.

- KK

[indy4 160]

Score I like more than Tintin:

Phantom Menace

AI

AotC

Sorcerer's Stone

PoA

RotS

KotCS (this was the closest race for me)

Scores I like less than Tintin:

Minority Report

War of the Worlds

CoS

It looks bad for Tintin, but especially with complex music like JW's, it usually takes a few weeks for me to really start to appreciate the music.

[Romão 2,473]

Looking at this list made me think about how great the last decade was in term of JW's output, and the list doesn't even include his stunning dramatic material (specially Memoirs and Munich, of which I am very fond)

[Josh500 1,620]

Wow, RotS and Tintin are now tied!

But RotS has its moments, yeah. I am especially fond of the first track (the expanded one). Haven't listened to that one for a while...

You only listened to Munich once?

I loved that score. It was quite a powerful Williams score and one of my favourites of that year. It captured some of the gravity of Schindler's List (although not as powerful) and turned out to be a great score. 2005 was a stellar year for the maestro. Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Star Wars III were fantastic scores!!!! I even appreciate War of the Worlds to some degree.

- KK

Tintin is a fantastic score and one of the favourite of the decade! But I've been fond of all of Williams scores in the 00's. However, I prefer the 3 Potter scores and the SW prequels over Tintin. While I adore AI (fantastic score!), I think I might have to put Tintin a bit above that.....

I respect Minority Report and War of the Worlds because they're intelligent scores and I completely understand what Williams was going for. It may not have translated as well as it could have on album, but they had moments and I appreciate them. Indy 4 had moments, but Tintin surpasses it greatly. I've got to say that Tintin is one of the best Williams scores of the decade.

- KK

Well said!

[nightscape94 968]

This is actually quite hard because I like many of the scores for different reasons. The Star Wars scores are in a different league as far as I'm concerned, and the first Potter score is something absolutely special.

I think that Tintin is probably his best since Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone overall, but PoA as some really great thematic stuff going on. Tintin just seems to work better start to finish as a cohesive album presentation and film score, and the way he weaves and threads his leitmotif is wonderful in Tintin.

But some of his scores in the last 10 years have a specific theme that is more amazing as an isolated idea then anything in Tintin, except for maybe Snowy's Theme, such as A.I (monica's theme) or Terminal (love theme).

[Josh500 1,620]

This is actually quite hard...

Nobody said this is gonna be easy.

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Okay now RotS overtook Tintin! WTH!

And A.I. and Tintin are now tied!

[Ricard 2,672]

OK I just voted based on the album presentations.

[King Mark 3,975]

what did you vote?

I'm curious how you rate recent JW scores

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Ricard naturally hates it. It's a confirmation of the nagging fear he's had for the last few years that the Williams he fell in love with is truly dead, and that it's time to close JWFAN and move on.

Or maybe he likes it.....

[Josh500 1,620]

Okay, now 4 scores are doing better than Tintin:

RotS (!), TPM, Philosopher's Stone, and PoA. A.I. and Tintin are tied.

Gotta say, RotS surprises me. Is this really so highly regarded here?

[Jay 46,244]

Not by me.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Same here.

[indy4 160]

RotS is one of Williams' best scores of the 2000s, and even of his careers. It'd probably make my list of top 10 Williams scores, definietly top 15.

[King Mark 3,975]

With RotS it's mostly OST construction problems

I'm not sure what goes on in Williams head to include a re-recording of The Throne Room instead or original cues that are highlights of the scores

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

I don't like any of the General Grievous material, and Battle Of The Heroes is weaker then DOTF.

[Sandor 918]

I don't like any of the General Grievous material, and Battle Of The Heroes is weaker then DOTF.

However; the 'trio' Anakin's Betrayal, Anakin's Dark Deeds and Anakin vs. Obi-Wan makes a pretty awesome suite.

[publicist 4,650]

Battle Of The Heroes is weaker then DOTF.

I always found it agreeably rough around the edges, whereas i shamefully admit that DOTF never scored more than 6.5 on my 'lame Orff-clones' radar. Just like that choirpiece from FIRST KNIGHT. Most people fall for this stuff, why i don't know...

[King Mark 3,975]

I like Battle of the Heroes more than Duel of the Fates

[publicist 4,650]

I like Battle of the Heroes more than Duel of the Fates

Good boy!

[Jay 46,244]

You people are out of your minds