#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I am looking for a fairly simple and easy to use orchestral sample program. Doesnt have to be super realistic.Any suggestions?
Giftheck 1,219 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Depends on how much money you want to spend on a library.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Posted January 11, 2012 Not a lot, something entry level, for a novice.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Posted January 11, 2012 I thought Finale was notation software? Anyone have experience with Garritan?
InTheCity 169 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 The simplest ones are most likely the Garritan libraries - maybe the EWQL Silver. These are nearly 10 years old now.Higher Tier stuff comes from:Cinesamples (www.cinesamples.com) My own company. We record at SONY scoring stage, union.I also favor LASS from audiobro and the VSL woodwinds from the SE
Giftheck 1,219 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Even EWQLSO Silver is bloody expensive to somebody like me, though (I was lucky to have mine off a friend who managed to save up for the Gold version and no longer needed Silver, but I had looked at the prices beforehand).
InTheCity 169 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I think your word expensive is really just a point of view. Having paid for making these libraries, they costs 100's of thousands of dollars to produce. Having access for $399 or whatever is quite friendly.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Posted January 11, 2012 I guess you are right.Expensive really is a point of few. I'm just looking to doodle away the lonely hours with something that sounds more realistic them MIDI. 399 is way to much for that.
lostinspace 8 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I use EWQL silver (budget version) I think it's about $200USD? I also use Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 which when used with ambience produces some really nice ( but still synth) sounds. Garritan is excellent value for money and it includes heaps of instruments and articulations that you can play with.
BLUMENKOHL 1,110 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I guess you are right.Expensive really is a point of few. I'm just looking to doodle away the lonely hours with something that sounds more realistic them MIDI. 399 is way to much for that.There's a lot of free more realistic than midi libraries called SoundFonts or VST's out there that'll work with a lot of standard programs. If your program supports sound fonts, these are good resources:http://www.sf2midi.c...ge=sdet&id=7109http://www.hammersound.net/No need to spend $300 or $200 or even $99 if you're just doodling.
A24 5,156 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I would listen to the demos of affordable libraries like Garritan, East West, et cetera, and then decide. If you want to fool around with plenty of virtual brass and wind instruments, you can download the free trial version of Wallander Instruments. It's fun but you do need a keyboard with aftertouch and controllers (or a midi wind controller) to make them expressive. The great thing about WIVI is that it takes hardly any space on your hard disk.http://wallanderinst...de=news&lang=enAlex
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Posted January 12, 2012 I found someone fairly close by selling a second hand copy of Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 for cheap, so I will probably go for that.What's good, simple software to record, mix and edit music from a sample library? Cubase?
Lundquist 0 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 If you're just starting out with samples, I'd also recommend Sonatina http://sso.mattiaswestlund.net/it's pretty good considering it's free
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Posted January 12, 2012 seems right up my street, thank you.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 Ok so I now have Garritan Personal Orchestra 4. What software can I use to record and edit what I play from there? Again if possible something easy to use.
Datameister 2,586 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 REAPER might be a good choice, assuming GPO 4 is a VST.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Well, i think the top 2 that are used are Nuendo and Cubase.I myself use Nuendo.I'm not an audio specialist or audio technology geek, but I found my way through the basics...
Giftheck 1,219 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I personally use FL Studio. It's given me no problems.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 REAPER might be a good choice, assuming GPO 4 is a VST.It is.I am able to load and play Garritan in REAPER, but when I try to record it won't do it?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 Why is it that to even get to the basics of these programs you need to be a computer expert?
Jay 46,244 Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 It took me forever to get Reaper to work right, and I work in IT!
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 16, 2012 Author Posted January 16, 2012 But why?Even if this stuff is geared towards a professional user, there is no reason developers can't make it easy to use.That's what made Apple so big.It took me a day for Garritan to work and record in Cubase5, and I'm not even sure how I did it, or that I could do it again.
MrJosh 1,205 Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I feel the same, Stefan. I am currently trying to do the same as you...figuring out Reaper. My issue is that I'm too busy with work to get a decent ammount of hours set aside to figure it out.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted January 16, 2012 Author Posted January 16, 2012 I've bailed on Reaper. Trying Cubase now.
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I use FL Studio, too.I had many inferior samples, and some even missing, so I had to hunt around. Since then I've deleted over half the stuff it originally came with, re-organized the folder system, and added new instruments and replacement instruments from various sources: many of which professionally recorded, some sounding fantastic, like the cor anglias, bassoon, solo violin.If anybody has FL Studio and wants to pay shipping and packaging, I can burn what I have to CD-Rs and tell you where to put it*.* = not dirty.Here's some music I've created with it (no training, mind you):
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 So.Two and a half years on. Have sample library software become easier to use?Isnt there a program out there where everything just comes in one package, without having to have all these separate programs, plug-ins or library's running?
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Wow, look at this thread! You bloody hypocrite!
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 I am not a composer, not will I ever call myself one. I have no musical education or abilities. Have you ever heard me claim otherwise?So why am I a hypocrite?Now do you actually have an answer to my question?
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 You have often criticized the use of MIDI. Do you genuinely want information about it?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 By professional composers or people calling themselves a composer.Again? What is your point?Have I ever said I have never used MIDI or samples in any way shape or form for my personal enjoyment?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 Anyway....So.Two and a half years on. Have sample library software become easier to use?Isnt there a program out there where everything just comes in one package, without having to have all these separate programs, plug-ins or library's running?
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The answer depends on what you want to do with it all, but is probably: no.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 Just a simple, preferably single bit of software that doesnt require you to be part computer programmer.
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 But again, to what end do you want to use this stuff? Just to do live playing with? Do you want to be able to record what you do?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 playing, recording, editing
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Yeah. For the second and third functions, you really need to have a DAW with the sample library engine running as a plugin. Some sample engines like ARIA have very limited functionality with recording and playback but I doubt you'll be satisfied.You ended up getting GPO4 right? That would be my recommendation, and running it in either Logic or GarageBand (I think it works with the latter). Don't be put off by the supposed lack of quality of the library, and ignore the sentiment that "expensive is just a point of view". Of course something like Cinesamples or VSL takes a huge budget to produce and they are, somewhat, appropriately priced for it. But you don't need to invest in that level of stuff to produce good sound. If you're willing to tweak the Garritan samples a bit, and you know how to create a good virtual "space" and place the instruments in it, you'll be on your way. The samples bundled with Logic, as well as all of the freeware Soundfonts available around the internet, are priceless resources as well.I know it all sounds convoluted, but take it from me, it really isn't. I'm not a computer guy either, and I was really put off by all of this when I first started, but I got through the learning curve unscathed - and this was a number of years ago when this technology was far less user friendly.Get GarageBand if you don't already have it, load up ARIA/GPO in the VST slot, and mess around with EQs, reverb, and pans until you're happy. I'd be glad to give you more in-depth pointers if you decide to go through with it.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 I will look into it. Thank you
ins 42 Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 For my limited needs I found Sibelius with the Kontakt player really helpful and easy to use.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Posted July 19, 2014 They can call themselves that. But I might not agree.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Posted July 19, 2014 I'm not interested in having this debate yet again.If you feel offended by the fact that I dont consider you a real composer, please do feel free to keep your opinions to yourself.
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Ignore him SafeUnderHill. I suspect he's ultimately kidding, and it he's not, don't trouble yourself with his ignorance.
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