How much money will Tintin and War Horse gross?

[Josh500 1,620]

Munich had a budget of 77 million and made "only" 130 million! And Amistad had a budget of 36 million and managed only 44 million!

So at least War Horse is doing better than that.

But seriously, who cares how much money these "serious" movies make? They are great movies, period.

[Romão 2,473]

War Horse will gross nearly 3 times its budget

[Quintus 6,496]

And that's before Blu-ray sales. It'll be fine.

Well, apart from those who love to call ZOMG IT'S A BOMB on anything that doesn't make 600mil. Glossy magazine readers, etc.

[hornist 1,261]

I placed my vote.

Less than 400 both.

Well, I just can't believe that a movie that great as Tintin makes only 77 million in US.

[indy4 160]

It's marketing campaign wasn't that good. The only quote I remember from the TV spots is "the perfect cross between Pirates of the Caribbean and Indiana Jones." While it certainly has some influence from those franchises, I don't go to see a movie because it's completely derivative of two other series.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

the predictions in this thread were a hoot. Neither film was a blockbuster but both pulled in decent numbers. Tin Tin should have been a summer film where it would have done better but poor marketing on Paramount's part sabatoged that.

War Horse should have been a Thanksgiving release or a summer release, it would have done well as the anti summer blockbuster.

[Wojo 2,458]

A few weeks ago, I was watching TV with my mom and she remarked at how absurd of a title the Tin Tin (haha) movie had. I couldn't help but agree, really, because that's what Hollywood does now. Really Long Movie Title: Bombastic Subtitle That's Supposed to Clarify But Why.

Neither movie appealed to me, neither the cartoon nor the animal war movie. The Spielberg brand doesn't mean what it used to, and I don't have to see a movie to appreciate John Williams' music. I haven't seen either movie. Put an asterisk beside your domestic total to indicate one fella who is holding out on forking over the ~$10 for each.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I plan to add to both's blu ray sales figures.

[Brónach 1,330]

The Spielberg brand doesn't mean what it used to

Munich and The Secret of the Unicorn disagree with you!

Really Long Movie Title: Bombastic Subtitle That's Supposed to Clarify But Why.

Well, technically, the subtitle is the title, and the "title" is the name of the series (I guess they figured "Tintin & ..." didn't sound good). That's how it was in the books.

They screwed up in some places where they took the title out. If anything they should have used that, and left out the series title where it doesn't carry any meaning like in Usamerica.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

munich was such a waste of Spielberg's time, as well as the audiences.

[Matt C 605]

the predictions in this thread were a hoot. Neither film was a blockbuster but both pulled in decent numbers.

Tintin did more than decent numbers, it was a hit internationally. 79% of that $373M gross came from international grosses. Paramount and Sony do have a script in the works for a second film, which Kathleen Kennedy said would be shot this summer and be ready for a Christmas 2014 release or summer 2015 release.

Considering how Universal withdrew from financing the film (it said the film would have to recoup $425M in order to break even, with the $135M production cost plus Spielberg and Jackson's profit participation), it looks like Spielberg and Jackson are confident that the film has already made money.

[Wojo 2,458]

That's because Tintin is an international phenomenon that the Europeans and everyone they colonized grew up with.

Americans? Not so much. If the marketing here failed it's because it was billed as a cross between POTC and Indiana Jones, and since the last installments of those sucked, maybe audiences didn't want to risk it. Especially because it looked like a bromantic threesome of a scruffy sailor, his cub, and their dog. Oohdalally. Had it been sold as the film adaptation of a timeless children's book series that millions grew up with worldwide, why, that reeks of phenomenon, and millions here would've flocked. Oh well.

[pixie_twinkle 60]

I wonder if the powers that be have decided whether to go ahead with the sequel to Tintin or not. I really hope they do.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

That's because Tintin is an international phenomenon that the Europeans and everyone they colonized grew up with.

Americans? Not so much.

i must check my history... so the spanish, english, french people that lived on what is now the USA were not colonists but something else?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

[Brónach 1,330]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.

[Wojo 2,458]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

What European team does David Beckham still play for?

Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.

No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."

We also refuse to embrace the metric system. You gonna hold that over our heads too?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Stttt....they will declare war.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.

and think they are entitled to it!

to Joey, with love

[Wojo 2,458]

Stttt....they will declare war.

Like anyone's gonna stop us...

[Brónach 1,330]

No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."

Australia occupies all of the Australian territory.

Not that I really care about this, just an aesthetic quibble.

As for the measuring system people use there, it drives me mad while I read things written there. Other than that I don't care. Except that occasion they screwed up with a Mars orbiter.

Now, on paralell note, I find it interesting how, despite the English speaking world pushing aside things not written in English, Tintin managed to be known in the UK... and then got stuck there.

[Wojo 2,458]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

Don't blame MY country for "mis-naming" your precious sport, Dutchie. Blame England!

The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".^[6]

Besides, there are many in my country who have embraced soccer. Soccer moms don't get excited to watch their little boys play baseball.

My country just has so many other sports to offer besides soccer. Your country has what else, tournament windmill repair, tulip planting, and wooden shoe races?

No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."

Australia occupies all of the Australian territory.

Oh, so you want to get cute and insist that "the Australian continent" includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea?

I don't think you're cute, so I don't agree.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

You rebel scum!

The Netherlands excell in the fields of swimming, hockey, baseball (we are world champions), darts and ice-skating!

The USA must be the only colony of England that has not embraced Cricket!

[Wojo 2,458]

Swimming...useful when your levees fail and you have to swim somewhere for a job.

Hockey...all the good players are tied up in NHL contracts, so I'm not impressed.

Baseball...again, all the good players are in the MLB, so I don't care what your amateurs (from your Caribbean islands, probably) did if they weren't signed to an MLB contract.

Darts...now there's a real man's game. Useful to ward off the next invasion from the east.

Ice-skating...yeah, the levees might fail in winter, and you need to get the tulips to market.

Cricket, isn't that a cell phone company?

[Brónach 1,330]

Oh, so you want to get cute and insist that "the Australian continent" includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea?

I don't think you're cute, so I don't agree.

We aren't following each other. The way I was taught it, from a boring geographical point of view, is that Australia is a big island forming part of the continent Oceania including New Zealand, Tasmania and all the tiny islands. Hence the State Australia occupies all of Australia. As I got older, studied the history of the Earth and started to see the "continents" concept kind of arbitrary and superficial, I no longer think like that. Australia is a currently emerged land occupied by a country called, quite appropiately, Australia. America is an enormous emerged mass of land occupied by 35 countries or so.

Of course, Australia and Nueva Guinea are basically the Sahul shelf, and form a different mass to Zealandia.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

At least the Australians acknowledge Elizabeth II as their Monarch, and they have Rugby and Cricket!

[hornist 1,261]

These box office stories are getting very interesting...

[Wojo 2,458]

America is an enormous emerged mass of land occupied by 35 countries or so.

There is no continent named America. That's a very archaic way of viewing the western hemisphere.

There's a North, with three big countries and all the little guys between Mexico and Colombia, and a South consisting of all the countries that touch Brazil and two that don't. But there's no "America."

Do you Europeans consider France and Mongolia to be located on the same continent?

You can walk from Johannesburg to Calcutta if you have the time. Is Afroeurasia the next great supercontinent?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Europe is actually a subcontinent, rather then a real continent.

It is however the birthplace of everything you hold dear.

[Wojo 2,458]

That's an unprovoked assumption!

[Brónach 1,330]

America is an enormous emerged mass of land occupied by 35 countries or so.

There is no continent named America. That's a very archaic way of viewing the western hemisphere.

There's a North, with three big countries and all the little guys between Mexico and Colombia, and a South consisting of all the countries that touch Brazil and two that don't. But there's no "America."

Do you Europeans consider France and Mongolia to be located on the same continent?

You can walk from Johannesburg to Calcutta if you have the time. Is Afroeurasia the next great supercontinent?

Dude, I'm not talking about continents! I'm talking about masses of land above water. If I start talking about continents, I'd drive you'll crazy here. As far as I'm concerned, the big island on the West is called America, or the Occidental Indies.

But If you want, you live in the North American craton. Unless you live in the far West or the East coast. In that case, you do not!

[Wojo 2,458]

Oh, so you're arguing from an arbitrary point of view then? Why didn't you say so.

I type a thousand words a minute, but it's in my own language.

Who can challenge me? Who can say I'm wrong?

No one.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Wojo is wrong!

[Wojo 2,458]

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll update Leonidas' signpost posthaste.

[Brónach 1,330]

You Laurentian wrongness!

[Wojo 2,458]

Oh we're name calling now? I'm out.

[Brónach 1,330]

Edit: I just checked Wikipedia in several languages and it seems there's a difference of connotations of the word America between English on one side and Spanish, French and Portuguese. I atribute this to a different colonial history. To English speaking world, Americans were from a small zone in the North, but for others, Americans were (are) from the whole thing. The Portuguese wiki is a bit ambivalent on this.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Don't believe them! Don't trust them!

[Matt C 605]

I wonder if the powers that be have decided whether to go ahead with the sequel to Tintin or not. I really hope they do.

I'm pretty sure Paramount and Sony are going to go forward with a second film, since the first did turn a profit. They have a script in development, and Peter Jackson will be directing after he wraps filming on both Hobbit films.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)

we do embrace Football, it's the greatest sport, it involves 11 players on each side. One side is offense, the other side is defense.

The field is 100 yards long with an endzone at each end 10 yards deep. The field is 55 yards wide. Traditionally the home team wears dark jerseys with the defense wearing white, however some teams, LSU, Geo. Tech, often play the opposite. The goal is to use your teams offense to move down the field and score. Scoring can be acheived offensively or defensively. Scoring a touchdown results in 6 points. The a conversion is added by either kicking a short 20 yard field goal for an extra point or by going for two points out of an offensive set. However the defense can also score on the coversion by either blocking the extrapoint and returning it for a 2 point conversion, or by intercepting a pass or returning a fumble also for 2 points. During the actual offensive attack a touchdown can be score by running or pass reception for 6 points. Again the defense can score by intercepting the pass or returing a fumble for 6 points. The offense can opt to kick a field goal or drop kick the ball for 3 points. Drop kicking hasn't been done in years. 2 points can be score by the defense when a safety occurs. A safety occurs when the ball is downed in it own endzon while maintaining possession. It can also occur when an offensive lineman is called for holding in the endzone. Profession Football is what most people outside the United States of America see, however it is the least popular of the 3 forms of the game. High School and College Football are vastly more popular and are more pure and exciting formats, with some rule changes. Football in the southern US is unrivaled at the present from Florida to Texas the game represents life itself. The state of Alabama is football central, it's two competing Universities having won the last 3 National Titles.

as for the game itself traditionally the offense consists of 1 quarterback, a center, a left and right guard, a left and right tackle, and then a combination of players that brings the total to 11 player, wide receivers, flankers, tight ends, fullback, tailbacks, halfbacks and wing backs, the names changing depending on the offensive formation. There are teams that are predominately rushing(example Georgia Tech yellow jackets), and there are teams that are predominately passing(example Houston Cougars), and then those who are more balanced (florida State Seminoles). On defense the teams usually have a combination of defensive linemen, defensive ends, linebackers, cornerbacks, and safeties. The different philosophies of football ensure an engaging game that is very exciting(the great weakness of pro football is everyone is exactly the same except for talent levels, the pro game offers little variety).

Then there are special teams, which is a misnomer because they are often not special. There are three basic type of special teams, the kickoff team, the field goal team, and the punt team. There is a corresponding defensive team for each. The kickoff team tries to return the ball for the best starting field position. Anything that gets past the 30 yard line is considered a success. For many teams a successful punt return is one that is just fielded but many teams are able to make great returns off the punt return.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Joe, your post would be clever, if I had not specified the term soccer in my original post.

As it stands, your post is now an epic failure...

American football just seems like rugby for pussies! (real rugby player go bareback, without special helmets and padds.)

[Brónach 1,330]

I enjoy seeing real rugby, even though I don't understand all of it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

If you watch a rugby match then you soon realize that football (soccer) players are just pussies!

Christiano Ronaldo looks rather muscular of a football pitch, but on a rugby field they would squash him like a bug...

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Joe, your post would be clever, if I had not specified the term soccer in my original post.

As it stands, your post is now an epic failure...

American football just seems like rugby for pussies! (real rugby player go bareback, without special helmets and padds.)

again your ignorance is profound. Rugby and football are as vastly different as soccer and cricket. No one in rugby takes the big hits you see in football. You don't have the high speed hits, tackling in the two game is completely different. Without the forward pass there is no isolation plays and devasting hits. Oh btw they do were shin pads and occasionally hip pads.. But they don't need shoulder pads since high tackling is forbidden and no one tackles with their shoulder. In rugby you see alot of cuts bruise and broken fingers and nose. In pro football with all the safety equipment you still see cuts, bruise, broken fingers, occasional broken noses, ACL tears, graphic bone breaks, compound fractures. Profound ignorance, stick to soccer, it's simpler pure game suits you.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Both American Football and Rugby use the same ball and have a similar field. Unlike soccer and cricket.

American Footbal is just Rugby for nancy-boys. Which is why you like it!

[Quintus 6,496]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

[Quintus 6,496]

Cheers Steef, the garbage useless board software won't link images on my android phone.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Both American Football and Rugby use the same ball and have a similar field. Unlike soccer and cricket.

American Footbal is just Rugby for nancy-boys. Which is why you like it!

no they don't, hell high school, college, and pro's all use different balls. And I'm not talking size because of age, but the shape is different. Rugby balls are rounded, footballs are pointed for passing.