Jay 46,241 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I haven't seen the original Evil Dead in a while, but at the time I had already seen Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness and loved their comedic elements and Bruce Campbell's performances. Then I watched The Evil Dead with a friend who also liked ED2 and AOD a lot and we both just kinda sat there bored by it. Probably because we were expecting a movie along the lines of the 2 sequels and got something completely different.I should give it another chance some time, but I don't even own the DVD anymore
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 well I too used to believe that ED2 superior to ED, but I got both on blu for about 10 bucks total.After watching both I was surprised how much more I like ED than the 2nd which is just a remake with laughs.The original just creeps the hell out of me even now. I remember seeing it at the movies and thought this is one of the scariest films I've ever seen. Still is.Thinking about seeing the remake tonight. Monday matinee's are like 5 bucks and it is free popcorn night too.
nightscape94 968 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Raimi's Evil Dead is far and away the better of the three.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I loved the new Evil Dead, loved it. I'd read so many of the reviews, and knew it was so gory, but I guess I wasn't prepared how exactly over the top it would go.it's very very VERY gory, but then it went even further. Production values are top notch,many reviews take the film to task because you don't get to know the characters, but I thought the actors did a great job of setting up the their characters. Lets be honest in a film titled Evil Dead you don't go into the film thinking I wonder who will survive. You don't get go in thinking the characters will be coddled and handled with kid gloves.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I love both.Love the production values of the new one.
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I find amusing the idew that they made a remake of an 80's horror film and apparently it was worth it.The score rocks! It has a lot of that classic Roque Baños' thriller score vibe in it. I love the syren sound he put in it, I wonder if that was in the score of the original or something.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I loved the new Evil Dead, loved it. I'd read so many of the reviews, and knew it was so gory, but I guess I wasn't prepared how exactly over the top it would go.it's very very VERY gory, but then it went even further. Production values are top notch,many reviews take the film to task because you don't get to know the characters, but I thought the actors did a great job of setting up the their characters. Lets be honest in a film titled Evil Dead you don't go into the film thinking I wonder who will survive. You don't get go in thinking the characters will be coddled and handled with kid gloves.Who played Ash?
A24 5,156 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 Green Zone: American soldier decides to ignore orders because he wants to lay bare the truth behind the reason for the Iraq War ... yeah, right!4/10Alex
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I loved the new Evil Dead, loved it. I'd read so many of the reviews, and knew it was so gory, but I guess I wasn't prepared how exactly over the top it would go.it's very very VERY gory, but then it went even further. Production values are top notch,many reviews take the film to task because you don't get to know the characters, but I thought the actors did a great job of setting up the their characters. Lets be honest in a film titled Evil Dead you don't go into the film thinking I wonder who will survive. You don't get go in thinking the characters will be coddled and handled with kid gloves.Who played Ash?Jane Levy, maybe.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I loved the new Evil Dead, loved it. I'd read so many of the reviews, and knew it was so gory, but I guess I wasn't prepared how exactly over the top it would go.it's very very VERY gory, but then it went even further. Production values are top notch,many reviews take the film to task because you don't get to know the characters, but I thought the actors did a great job of setting up the their characters. Lets be honest in a film titled Evil Dead you don't go into the film thinking I wonder who will survive. You don't get go in thinking the characters will be coddled and handled with kid gloves.Who played Ash?there is no Ash.Jane Levy plays Mia, whose journey to hell is quite horrific.however at the end of the film credits there is a complete throw away sequence to make die hard fans of the original orgasm.
crocodile 9,724 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 Watched Angela's Ashes last night. I have a soft spot for this film.Karol
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I want to see something right now but I have a lot of stuff with me to see and I don't know what to pick. I feel like this all the time!
Marian Schedenig 11,694 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 The classic problem with film and music collections. The larger the collection, the less you'll find in it that you want to watch/listen to right now.
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 I notice that a lot because to see a film I need to feel like seeing that film, otherwise I don't enjoy it as much.I saw Argo. I found it interesting.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead (2013)Pretty bad film. It follows all the cliches that The Cabin In The Woods mocks to every last detail, though I understand these were probably all a part of the original, which is what helped pave the way for the contemporary horror film, etc.Roque's score only really gets to shine during the climax, the rest is mostly cliche horror strings and ambience. Don't regret buying it though, as those last 20 minutes or so are really great.Makes me want to see Army Of Darkness though.One question:Doesn't anything that happens to the body while possessed still remain once the evil goes dormant again? Take the girlfriend, she got her arms cut off and pummeled with a nail gain while evil, but when her mind is allowed back to try and trick David, she still feels all that pain and it all happened to her. When Mia cuts her tongue in half with the carpenter blade, it's magically back to normal later when the evil is gone. What's the deal?
A24 5,156 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Looper: Somewhere down the road the movie changed into Magneto: The Childhood Years. 5/10
Naïve Old Fart 13,021 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Green Zone: American soldier decides to ignore orders because he wants to lay bare the truth behind the reason for the Iraq War ... yeah, right!4/10Alex"Yeah, right"!!!!!! A classic 2-word review, Alex. My sentiments, exactly!
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead (2013)Pretty bad film. It follows all the cliches that The Cabin In The Woods mocks to every last detail, though I understand these were probably all a part of the original, which is what helped pave the way for the contemporary horror film, etc.Roque's score only really gets to shine during the climax, the rest is mostly cliche horror strings and ambience. Don't regret buying it though, as those last 20 minutes or so are really great.Makes me want to see Army Of Darkness though.One question:Doesn't anything that happens to the body while possessed still remain once the evil goes dormant again? Take the girlfriend, she got her arms cut off and pummeled with a nail gain while evil, but when her mind is allowed back to try and trick David, she still feels all that pain and it all happened to her. When Mia cuts her tongue in half with the box cutter, it's magically back to normal later when the evil is gone. What's the deal?This Evil Dead is a far superior film to Cabin in the Woods in every way. Why would you want to see Army of Darkness, there is no connection to this Evil Dead, besides Army of Darkness is just a dreadful film, to cutesy for it's own good and far too schlocky for me.
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Might see The Evil Dead tonight. Or Kon-Tiki. Or The Master. Or The Man Who Would Be King. Or The Killing.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead (2013)Pretty bad film. It follows all the cliches that The Cabin In The Woods mocks to every last detail, though I understand these were probably all a part of the original, which is what helped pave the way for the contemporary horror film, etc.Roque's score only really gets to shine during the climax, the rest is mostly cliche horror strings and ambience. Don't regret buying it though, as those last 20 minutes or so are really great.Makes me want to see Army Of Darkness though.One question:Doesn't anything that happens to the body while possessed still remain once the evil goes dormant again? Take the girlfriend, she got her arms cut off and pummeled with a nail gain while evil, but when her mind is allowed back to try and trick David, she still feels all that pain and it all happened to her. When Mia cuts her tongue in half with the box cutter, it's magically back to normal later when the evil is gone. What's the deal?This Evil Dead is a far superior film to Cabin in the Woods in every way. Why would you want to see Army of Darkness, there is no connection to this Evil Dead, besides Army of Darkness is just a dreadful film, to cutesy for it's own good and far too schlocky for me.Because I thought the ending was nicely stylish in its lighting and color palette, and if Army Of Darkness has that with the added humor and fun then I'm in. I didn't mean to imply that The Cabin In The Woods was a better film (even though I think it is), just that everything it makes fun of about the horror genre is in this film. I now see where its main inspiration is from, as the plots are exactly the same. How close is this remake to Raimi's original, Joey?
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 This Evil Dead is more of a reboot than a remake.there is no fun in Army of Darkness just sheer stupidity. I have never seen the value of that film. It's just awful to me.it's clear reading reviews of the film that most people mistake Evil Dead for Evil Dead 2 when they refer to the humor of the original.Like the first Evil Dead this film is relentless. It's unforgiving and excessive. It's also humorless. It is over the top and it rarely allows one to take a breath. The big difference is this film has superior and believable gore effects.I think this Evil Dead is as good if not better than the original. I've read so many of the reviews and several comments say that unlike the original this film doesn't have memorable characters. WHAT THE HELL? Other than Ash which other original character from either Evil Dead film does anyone remember? The quick and correct answer is none. In fact Ash isn't that memorable in Evil Dead and his fate at the end was likely death. Evil Dead 2 was a comic remake of Evil Dead, and after further blu ray watching I find it inferior but easier to take than the original.This 2013 version is even darker, gorier, grosser, but the ending is so much more satisfying. It doesn't not end suggesting a sequel at all, which in this day and age is refressing, we've had enough wait for the sequel endings, enough cliffhanger endings.sometimes its satisfying that a story is just a one time story. Oh sure there is talks of a sequel, but let it have it's own contained story.one other thing, horror movies are often filled with people making stupdi choices, but here there is no nudity, no sex. There are a few ignorant mistakes but few stupid choices in the movie. The fact that the main character is a heroin junkie is a nice twist. Each character's humanity is their ultimate undoing, something the demonic forces count on.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 I thought the ending set up the sequel quite obviously.
Jay 46,241 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead 2 is NOT a remake of The Evil Dead!!!The first 9 minutes of Evil Dead 2 is a re-filmed re-cap of the events of the first film, then the story continues from there!Koray don't listen to Joey about Army of Darkness. It's a freaking classic film, full of great one liners.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead 2 is NOT a remake of The Evil Dead!!!The first 9 minutes of Evil Dead 2 is a re-filmed re-cap of the events of the first film, then the story continues from there!Koray don't listen to Joey about Army of Darkness. It's a freaking classic film, full of great one liners.Evil Dead 2 is a remake of the Evil Dead, the only difference is that this Ash survives instead of dies, the other characters are just the same fodder for death as in the first. And Army of Darkness is not a good film. but you are correct in that every line in AoD is a one liner, not great, not at all but still one liners, it's a sarcastic film proud of it's smart assiness. Koray how did the ending of Evil Dead set up a sequel?
Jay 46,241 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 You are WRONG!Evil Dead II is a DIRECT sequel to The Evil Dead, it is NOT a remake!As I've said, the opening 9 minutes is a re-filmed recap of the first movie, then the story continues. The first film ends with the evil cam zooming through the woods and zomming into Ash's face; That shot is repeated about 9 minutes into Evil Dead II and he falls to the ground, and the story continues.The reason they had to re-shoot the re-cap rather than show footage from the first film again is explained by Sam Raimi himself here:“We tried to get the rights to the footage from Evil Dead to use at the beginning of Evil Dead II,” Sam explains. “Unfortunately, because the picture was sold by Irvin Shapiro to so many different countries, and different distributors in each country, we would have had to go to each one – there were probably around fifty – and gotten clearances to use it in their territory. It was a very weird situation – some of the distributors had even gone out of business. So we decided that since we couldn’t use the footage, we’d just have to reshoot it, to tell the audience what happened, because most people haven’t seen The Evil Dead.”
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 So Evil Dead was remade twice?
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 semanatics Jason, it's still just the same story, same shit over again except with humor.you're last quote though is really sad, especially when a director doesn't have rights to his own film
Jay 46,241 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 You're wrong! Only the first 9 minutes is the "same story", then the rest of the film is completely different!Yes, that is sad.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Koray how did the ending of Evil Dead set up a sequel? (Not really a spoiler but just in case) The zoom in to the book just sitting in the front yard, and the inclusion of Ash in the end credits. It's not as blatant as other films have done, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a contained story.I think I read somewhere that the sequel to this one was planned to lead into Raimi's remake of Army Of Darkness or something like that.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 So Evil Dead was remade twice?essentially it was remade/sequel in Evil Dead 2, though Jason may disagree, it was remade as Cabin in the Woods but with a MNight style twist, and now again in 2013, there is also a musical I believe.and the story in Evil Dead 2 is not different in story, just different characters dying badly from demonic forces.See Michael 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, etc, Jason to infinite, Freddie over and over.you see Ash's car the oldsmobile in the remakethe bit at the end of this Evil Dead was just a big tease, but yes there are plans of an Evil Dead 2/Army of Darkness sequel, and Evil Dead sequel to the 2013 both with open endings leading to a merging of the two storys with Ash and Mia.
Jay 46,241 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Huh? Logic, a human brain, the entire internet, and freaking SAM RAIMI HIMSELF "agree" with me. It's a sequel! All the other dying characters are all during the recap - when the sequel part actually starts, its just Ash. Are you really being this obtuse?
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 if it annoys you YES, you're so easy.and even by your own admission the first 9 minutes are a remake.Stefan I seem to recall Eli Roth saying his Cabin Fever was somewhat inspired by Raimi's Evil Dead.
Wojo 2,458 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Evil Dead 2 does remake The Evil Dead. But only the first few minutes in order to recap the events of the first film, for all the aforementioned reasons. Then it moves into sequel territory. If it were pure remake, it would either stop after those ten minutes or so, or stretch those out to be feature length, instead of doing its own thing. Look, each Rocky sequel recaps the previous film's fight to set up the next story, and even though they're all following the same template, nobody would accuse them of being remakes. Each Back to the Future sequel repeats common themes and set pieces in different decades. Remakes?
Quintus 6,494 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 I pretty much agree with Joey about Armies of Darkness and Jason/Campbell/Rami about Evil Dead 2 being an immediate follow up to the first film. There's no other interpretations to be be had there, it's obvious.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 I guess in all honesty I love this 2013 reboot more than the original for one reason, no bruce campbell, never a big fan of his.oh and the fact that this film isn't looking for the next big quote.
Brónach 1,330 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Look, each Rocky sequel recaps the previous film's fight to set up the next story, and even though they're all following the same template, nobody would accuse them of being remakes. Each Back to the Future sequel repeats common themes and set pieces in different decades. Remakes?There's the remake proper and the sequel that follows structures or aims to repeat the previous film while making it better or different while still being a follow up. These are described as pseudo-remakes but not actual remakes proper. Case in hand, the second Terminator.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Terminator 2 is a sequel!
Wojo 2,458 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Well if the first film shows or just strongly implies the death of Ash, who returns for the second installment without being undead, then some remake tomfoolery was required.
Jay 46,241 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 The first film ends with the evil cam zooming towards him. The second films shows you (after the recap) what happened when the evil hit him
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 The first film ends with the evil cam zooming towards him. The second films shows you (after the recap) what happened when the evil hit himif there was not follow up I would have assumed he died. in fact I did until 2 came out.
A24 5,156 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 It's pretty good for what it is. It's a good story and I was continuously curious to see it all unfold, even though the outcome is known. It's certainly Ben Affleck's best directed movie to date. 7/10Alex
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 So Alex and the Academy agree?
Quintus 6,494 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Watched a British film called Four Lions, a pitch black satire cum farce cum scary social commentary about a group of British Muslim mates who have real ambition to become suicide bombers in their country of birth and their utterly hilarious incompetence but deadly serious intention in both the planning phase and their eventual explosive fate. The day of the bombing on the streets of London is quite honestly the most I've laughed during a movie in quite some time, it was the same for all three of us who were watching, including mother. Yet when it was all over the frightening undercurrent of these very dark things was just as tangible as the hilarity, which was a a really weird sensation. I'm convinced only the Brits are capable of making this sort of film, this sort of social comedy farce. Nobody else has the guts or brand of wit for it. 4/5
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Nice review, but shake of your racist assumptions that only the Brits make cinema like that.
Quintus 6,494 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Racism? That's pretty strong. Try bias instead. Don't read it that way, I'm referring to tone - it is distinctly British in precision and deadpan, and as such it feels unique. If you saw it you would know what I mean. Anyway, I've slightly altered the assumed offending last sentence.
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