Jurassic World (Jurassic Park 4)

[JoeinAR 1,957]

yeah but they look alike, big, long necks, same to the layman.

the problem with Spino was those huge arms.

why Lost World and JPIII effects don't hold up why the first does is really baffling but then the prequels effects look horrible a decade later.

[Wojo 2,458]

I only wish my only problem with the prequels was the dated effects. Dated effects can be charming if the rest of the film holds up.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

we recently watched 2005 King Kong and loved the Kong/T-rex battle, that holds up well.

[Wojo 2,458]

I would rather watch the 1930s whenever original.

[Ollie 1,375]

I want to see aquatic Dinosaurs.

[Brónach 1,330]

Penguins?

[Wojo 2,458]

No, I think he means plesiosaurs and icthyosaurs. Not dinosaurs in the true sense, but certainly their contemporaries who went extinct at the same time. The hard part would be believing that a mosquito would have bitten them and survived to find a tree... No, that's not the hard part.

My favorite episode of seaQuest season 2 was when they released the giant prehistoric crocodile.

[Muad'Dib 2,059]

In the recent leaked script of JPIV written by John Sayles (the one that featured the homocraptors) a sort of Mosasaurus has a brief apparition out of the blue and never mentioned again. The scene goes something like that the character is escaping from Isla Sorna and a plane is waiting for him on the water (made me think of the first Indy), and for whatever reason there's a freaking Mosasaurus roaming the waters, who attacks them and eats the pilot. After that, the script never mentions it or any other marine reptiles again.

It's bizarre, to say the least.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

an aquatic dinosaur would really be a bad idea. How can you contain it, unless it's completely land locked.

of course it would lend itself to Jaws comparisons.

[Matt C 605]

Jurassic Park production designer Rick Carter has joined the production and will share credit with Ed Verreaux.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lauren-abiouness/20/90/836

Don't forget, 'Ebb Tide' is the working title for Jurassic Park 4.

[scallenger 665]

Are you sure about that? I'm guessing it's because of the way it says "Ebb Tide" of Ebb Tide Productions?

If so, I wonder if it is a clever metaphor for the possible plot or ideas from the new film. The definition of an ebb tide is:

The period between high tide and the next low tide in which the sea is receding.

Hmm...

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,244]

Nothing can save this film

[scallenger 665]

There are actually a lot of cool scenarios the film could have. Unfortunately most of those are in the prequel department, not sequel. I'm still being cautiously optimistic based on the director, screenwriters chosen and others involved. I'm just anxious for a plot description.

[Brónach 1,330]

Also, from a production design standpoint, the film might feel trapped within the dinosaur species choices and reconstructions of the other films. Which at this point might just be dull.

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

"Ebb Tide" suggests water. Water dinosaurs perhaps? That'd be cool to see and something different. Even if logically, it probably wouldn't make much sense.

[scallenger 665]

Well... what if a dead underwater creature's body washed ashore on a beach? Wouldn't that attract mosquitos and other insects that could then fly off it and then get stuck in the sap of a nearby tree? That to me was the most plausible way to acquire aquatic creature DNA in the realm of this story. For the record, the Crichton novels never featured any aquatic creatures. However, the recent game did, and in it's story had a completely enclosed underwater Jaws 3-esque enclosure.

[MSM 194]

For the record, the Crichton novels never featured any aquatic creatures.

T-rex was depicted as an aquatic species.

[Wojo 2,458]

As I recall, it merely swam in the river in the first novel. Nearly all reptiles can swim, so its behavior is that of a large crocodile. I can swim; am I aquatic?

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

well, i would consider a crocodile an aquatic animal...

But yes the novel depicted the rex swimming to show that it could swin. like most animals can...not to say it was an aquatic dinosaur...

[MSM 194]

As I recall, it merely swam in the river in the first novel. Nearly all reptiles can swim, so its behavior is that of a large crocodile. I can swim; am I aquatic?

Yes, I thought of the crocodile too, to my taste this animal is aquatic, but of course he sepnds half thetime on land as well. So depends a bit on your definition. I think if you would spend half of your life in the water, I'd call you aquatic

In the case of JP, there could be a lot of scenes with the T-rex in water. Then, in JPIII they already adapted some of the scenes for the Spinosaur.

As to the new dino to be featured, it's still guessing. I hope it'd be something in between the size of a rex and a velociraptor; say Deinonychus, or an Afrovenator. Actually I do not care much as long as there are dinosaurs, and a good effects team. The difference in CGI quality between JP1-2 and JP3 was too obvious.

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

Yes, I thought of the crocodile too, to my taste this animal is aquatic, but of course he sepnds half thetime on land as well. So depends a bit on your definition. I think if you would spend half of your life in the water, I'd call you aquatic

Amphibious?

[MSM 194]

Yes, I thought of the crocodile too, to my taste this animal is aquatic, but of course he sepnds half thetime on land as well. So depends a bit on your definition. I think if you would spend half of your life in the water, I'd call you aquatic

Amphibious?

I don't know, I would find it a bit strange to call a reptile 'amphibious'.

[Thor 9,362]

Screw the dinosaurs! I just want more of the great mood. MOOD, DAMMIT!

[Brónach 1,330]

Screw the dinosaurs! I just want more of the great mood. MOOD, DAMMIT!

Thumbs down.

[indy4 160]

Ohh I hope there are aquatic Dinos. That could be really frightening.

[Brónach 1,330]

What kind of thing? Pliosaurs? Plesiosaurs? Notosaurs? Ichtyosaurs? Mosasaurs? Cocodriles? (there's more stuff as well)

I like Placodonts a lot, but they won't put that kind of thing in some Jurassic Park film.

[scallenger 665]

Btw, this was mentioned a while back, but on the director's Twitter, this question was raised:

Colin, if you could achieve one thing with JPIV, what would it be? What would you define as success?

His response:

I'd want people to feel like it's the last day of 6th grade again.

Hmm...

Also, there is a rather unlikely rumor floating around, saying this about the plot:

I have a friend who is building the miniature sets for JP4, and another who is building the actual sets, they said the story is as follow: Jurassic Park is up and running, it has been in business for sometime, and again the dinosaurs get loose. That's it.

Apparently that comment, along with responses to it, got deleted, as discussed here:

http://jplegacy.org/board/showthread.php?p=810713#post810713

If this WAS indeed the plot (which I seriously doubt, or perhaps those informed got the wrong idea), it sounds like it could either have potential, or be painfully boring in terms of originality.

[Brónach 1,330]

They could make an alternate sequel to the original or something.

[scallenger 665]

https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/330038409974386688/photo/1

So, apparently... we are going back to Nublar?

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

i think that similar shots of nublar appear as sorna in JPIII....

they are all hawaii after all...

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

The description down below says "Nublar". So.. are they confusing things, or are there dinosaurs on the OTHER island again?

[Muad'Dib 2,059]

Well, if I'm not mistaken JPIII was originally supposed to take place in Nublar, but halfway during production they changed it to Sorna for some reason, hence the confusion on the looks and the fact that there are still fences around.

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

Sorna was the island where they bred the dinosaurs. That being the case, I figured having fences around only made sense.

You've got to keep them contained, whichever island they're on.

[Muad'Dib 2,059]

But on TLW there were no fences, that's the problem. At least I think there weren't any fences.

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

Can't remember now. That could still be explained by TLW just not visiting areas that did have fences. Perhaps they were only around the compound?

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

The finale compound in TLW is surrounded by fences.

It makes sense to protect the compound because they let the dinosaur loose in the island so check if they could live (DNA worked 100%) I think they say it on the novel or in Trespasser videogame...

On the film Hammond seems to imply that the dinosaurs were freed after the hurricane...

[Matt C 605]

April Ferry (Donnie Darko, Elysium) will be the costume designer for Jurassic Park IV.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0275067/

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Ohh I hope there are aquatic Dinos. That could be really frightening.

I don't think so, I think they would look okay but really wouldn't bring any deep fear as a previous movie about a rogue great white did.

the director of the film promises no feathers, and a return to Isla Nublar. got to www.darkhorizons.com/news/26998/news-shorts-may-6-2013

I want more T-rex, more Triceratops, ankylasaurus, and some utahraptors. don't want the fake looking spinosaurs with mike and molly arms. or pteradactyls.

[Brónach 1,330]

the director of the film promises no feathers,

But why the fuck not?

Ah. Because the first film is from 1993.

Shit, we need new dinosaur films.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

We need to hope that Jurassic Park 4 takes the cgi and practical effects to an even higher level than JP.

Really it's 21 years later, computer advancements and animatronics are much more advanced.

don't just give us dinosaurs,

WOW US.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

Joey, i think the spinosaurus had big arms as depicted in the movie.

Maybe he was not strong enough to kill a T-rex (and neither intelligent enough to use them to break the rex's neck) but the design looks more or less right, i think.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I think you're wrong. i think that too many of the dinosaur so called experts are simply trying to make a name for themselves and find 3 bones and create a new species, or find a larger t rex skeleton and proclaim it to be a different dinosaur. It's full of bad science, dispreputable and corrupt.

[Brónach 1,330]

You're talking out of your ass. There were indeed theropods of bigger size than an adult T. rex. Giganotosaurus for example. Here is an comparison of several specimens of the largest theropods.

Some Spinosauridae had strong arms with a big claw. Probably used them for catching things in the water. The teeth are also adapted to fishing, in fact the skull has a shape similar to modern gavials. Many have been recovered from ancient swampy sediments in what is now North Africa. An European one, Baryonyx, was recovered associated with fish material. Spinosaurus was also associated to very big fish vertabrae.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

You're talking out of your ass. There were indeed theropods of bigger size than an adult T. rex. Giganotosaurus for example.

Some Spinosauridae had strong arms with a big claw. Probably used them for catching things in the water. The teeth are also adapted to fishing. Many have been recovered from swampy sediments.

no you're talking out of yours. paleoentology is one of the most corrupt sciences out there.

[Brónach 1,330]

Maybe he was not strong enough to kill a T-rex (and neither intelligent enough to use them to break the rex's neck) but the design looks more or less right, i think.

I don't remember well the Spinosaurus from that film, but I think it had the nostrils in the wrong place, and maybe other details.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

giganotosaurus was longer but shorter than t rex, and not as heavy, nor as powerful, but thanks for playing.

[Brónach 1,330]

You're talking out of your ass. There were indeed theropods of bigger size than an adult T. rex. Giganotosaurus for example.

Some Spinosauridae had strong arms with a big claw. Probably used them for catching things in the water. The teeth are also adapted to fishing. Many have been recovered from swampy sediments.

no you're talking out of yours. paleoentology is one of the most corrupt sciences out there.

At least we have the actual fossils on our side!

giganotosaurus was longer but shorter than t rex, and not as heavy, nor as powerful, but thanks for playing.

How can it be "longer but shorter"? What does powerful mean? We're not talking about powerfulness here.

Mass is hard to calculate. Mmh. I'll give it a thought. I was thinking solely on terms of size. The proportions of Spinosaurus are sometimes a big hard to calculate (the holotype is believed to be a subadult*). But Tyrannosaurus has a different build, more muscular.

Then there's the MSNM V4047 specimen, which is part of a very big skull. Darren Naish deduces it to be largest than any other known theropod. The square-cube law might make it heavier than Sue, our oldest known Tyrannosaurus.

*Sadly, this specimen was destroyed by Allied bombing raids during WW2, although we have a lot of careful drawings of it. But it isn't quite the same and it had been cool to analyze it with modern techniques.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

You're talking out of your ass. There were indeed theropods of bigger size than an adult T. rex. Giganotosaurus for example.

Some Spinosauridae had strong arms with a big claw. Probably used them for catching things in the water. The teeth are also adapted to fishing. Many have been recovered from swampy sediments.

no you're talking out of yours. paleoentology is one of the most corrupt sciences out there.

At least I have the actual fossils on my side.

Paleontology isn't an easy science and there's more to it than many imagine.

giganotosaurus was longer but shorter than t rex, and not as heavy, nor as powerful, but thanks for playing.

How can it be "longer but shorter"? What does powerful mean? We're not talking about powerfulness here.

Mass is hard to calculate. Mmh. I'll give it a thought. I was thinking solely on terms of size.

you have no idea what you're even talking about do you. for example...my black lab was much taller than my greyhound, but my greyhound was longer.

What does powerful mean? The bite of a T-rex according to dinoscience was 7 time more powerful than spinosaur, t-rex's jaw is bigger and more powerful than giganotosaurus.

[Brónach 1,330]

Aaah, you mean in height, I was confused for a moment. I think an adult Spinosaurus might have been taller and longer than Tyrannosaurus.

Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus might have had different prey. Tyrannosaurus seems to me to have a stronger bite.