The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Not if that person has nothing of value to say

[Henry B 51]

I'm seriously considering it too, and it would be the first time I ever ignore someone.

This. Sorry, Boal.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Cause and effect!

[Romão 2,473]

It's been a long time since I've read the Hobbit, but all the stuff added stuff in these movies from the White Council and the appendices never really meets the main storyline of the Hobbit at any point, does it? I wonder how they can pull off telling seperate storylines that are, as I seem to remember (I may be wrong, though), totally unrelated

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Romão 2,473]

That really doesn't make them related. Galdalf just leaves to do something else that has no impact whatsoever in the main plotline

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

It's very related thank you very much, you goblin faced weirdo!

[Romão 2,473]

Well, if that's what you mean by "related", then yes, they're not related although we do learn in The Quest Of Erebor (a chapter of The Unfinished Tales) that Gandalf arranged the retaking of the Lonely Mountain by the dwarves because he was afraid Sauron would use Smaug when returning. So perhaps they'll develop that in the films (since, as you certainly know, the Necromancer = Sauron).

I didn't read the Unfinished Tales, so that's new information for me. That might work, because I don't think have two totally sepated plotlines would work at all

It's very related thank you very much, you goblin faced weirdo!

And I don't think anyone has guessed where the avatar comes from

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Romão 2,473]

Nice one, Bloodbal

[Koray Savas 2,260]

But what about BloodBoal? You and he are partners in crime. His complaining for complainings sake and acute entitlement syndrome

What you don't understand, you misguided pudding-eater rascal, is that I bloody love LOTR, and when The Hobbit film was announced, I was so fucking happy to be given the opportunity to feel once again the same emotions I had while watching each LOTR film. But since then, there have been so many announcements that indicates that these films are going in a direction I'm unlikely to like, that it makes me angry. Angry because I really wanted to adore these films, and I feel like things such as the Dwarves' design, Tauriel & co will prevent me from loving these films as much as I love LOTR films.

Yes, my life is THAT empty.

But you can't imagine how much I hope I'm wrong!

"I really wanted to adore these films" is not a phrase that can said before seeing said films. Stop being pissy and just wait. I'm the most pessimistic person I know, and you're even worse.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

That really doesn't make them related. Galdalf just leaves to do something else that has no impact whatsoever in the main plotline

As has been said, it depends. The only direct effect in the book is that Gandalf has to leave and only later shows up again. But there's more. The whole Quest of Erebor stuff that explains why Gandalf sent all those dwarves to pick up Bilbo in the first place. The history of Moria and the dwarf/goblin wars that explains the hate between them. The White Council stuff of course, which in the book only shows up through Gandalf's absence and several mentions of the Necromancer, but is directly tied to the story of the Ring, which of course became a major part of The Hobbit after it was first written (causing Tolkien to rewrite an entire chapter and several other passages relating to it for the second edition).

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Koray is a manic depressive...is his own mind!

[KK 3,313]

They just reckon they had so much unused material and ideas on the boil that they couldn't help themselves. Which might sound bad to some, but I cant help but just trust Boyens and Walsh with this, so sue me!

They have given me no real reason to doubt their judgement and ability.

I don't understand why any sane and intelligent person would ever believe that the threesome writing team would EVER risk the integrity of not only these new films, but the whole legacy in general. They are not armchair film making idiots typing furiously on internet, but seasoned professionals with a reputation to preserve and a weight of responsibility we can only imagine and shudder at. They will have thought long and hard about this change, probably quite literally lost sleep over it. Why is that not obvious to crusading naysayers and mini-experts on message boards? Why it it so difficult a concept to just have some trust?

The only plausible answer is boredom and unfulfilment.

I used to be as confident about the team as you did. I still am actually. I always thought with Boyens to keep Jackson grounded, nothing could go wrong! But when you hear rumours of bunnies of doom and Ringwraith tombs (big wtf here), I can't help but worry if the whole team embarked on some misguided path here.

I still have faith that they'll pull through though.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Those are just rumours, and we have not heard anything of them since that supposed promo viewing.

[KK 3,313]

I certainly hope so, for your sake Cosman.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

"I really wanted to adore these films" is not a phrase that can said before seeing said films.

Hence why I added "But you can't imagine how much I hope I'm wrong!" at the end of my post.

Stop being pissy and just wait. I'm the most pessimistic person I know, and you're even worse.

Since when are you pessimistic? You've never posted anything that sounded pessimistic.

The Koray you know is an internet personality, much like yourself I imagine.

Koray is a manic depressive...is his own mind!

Pretty much.

[Quintus 6,496]

It's impossible to be a manic depressive at your age. You're just another emo! Oh woe is me, my life is so meaningless in this world, boo hoo!

They're everywhere, aaaaargh!

[crocodile 9,724]

I concur, but the other Karol in my had doesn't. Typical.

Karol

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Like the first one! Gandalf looks ready for a scrap...

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

What's more, he looks like Gandalf. Meaning to say, both the Gandalf from the LOTR movies as well as the real Gandalf. I know it's McKellen, but I can't see him.

[Quintus 6,496]

Hmm, I'm not sure about Freeman's attempt at mimicking Holm's expression in the third one. He's not got the twinkle in his eye to pull it off.

[Incanus 5,890]

The first and the last cover look the best. As Marian said McKellen really embodies Gandalf and disappears in the image of the wizard. The last cover just looks classy and I would expect The Hobbit Complete Recordings to look something like that.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Richard P 5,303]

The last cover just looks classy and I would expect The Hobbit Complete Recordings to look something like that.

The last one gives me a very warm feeling for that very reason

Unlike with the original trilogy, we're going to be able to watch these films knowing that the complete scores are very likely coming

[Brónach 1,330]

This film is feeling strange for me because it's a film based on a book from my childhood. I feel similar to when I was waiting for Tintin, just that some bold decisions by the filmmakers now make the wait even more weird.

[gkgyver 1,647]

I really wonder, if Jackson had decided to put only, and only, stuff from the Hobbit book into the films, had fans complained he missed the opportunity to tell background story?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

I really wonder, if Jackson had decided to put only, and only, stuff from the Hobbit book into the films, had fans complained he missed the opportunity to tell background story?

I think they would have. Heck, I probably would have as well. I like the fact that he's exploring the appendixes.And mainstream audiences might not be fully interested in a straight on adaptation of a children's tale.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

The Hobbit is more fairy-tale like. The Harry Potter films/books eventually descended into teenage thriller material.

[Incanus 5,890]

I really wonder, if Jackson had decided to put only, and only, stuff from the Hobbit book into the films, had fans complained he missed the opportunity to tell background story?

Fans would complain in any case I believe. I am not completely against telling the backstories of LotR and the Quest for Erebor in these films, I just hope most of it is faithful to Tolkien and doesn't become too much "artistically creative adaptation" because they had to invent stuff as Tolkien didn't describe some parts of this history in detail. I am afraid that PJ and his team will use the words "fairtale" and "whimsy" to justify all kinds of odd and quirky design and twists in the tale.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Dogs serving Beorn is one of the coolest things about The Hobbit.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

If I remember correctly I did not exactly jump up and down with excitement when the walking serving dogs and other animals were mentioned in the book. Those came naturally with the territory of such a light adventure tale and you don't even think twice about it. Of course in a grim and gritty adaptation such buffoonery might be toned down. I hope they'll find a good balance between the outright fairy story elements and the tone of LotR, which they are aiming for. I would be more puzzled if they made a film completely out of sync with LotR films than with darkening the narrative of the Hobbit a bit to make it feel like part of the same continuum of films.

[KK 3,313]

Why do I have the feeling that you are referring to a certain kind of animals of Doom?

Squirrels of Doom?

The Hobbit is more fairy-tale like. The Harry Potter films/books eventually descended into teenage thriller material.

You could still make a pretty decent straight adaptation of The Hobbit, removing just a few silly things (such as the dogs serving dinner at Beorn's house), and it wouldn't feel like a children's tale. Yeah, it wouldn't necessarily feel like a serious, dark and complex movie for brooding adults, but that wouldn't make it a children's tale

I don't get it, by the way, why a movie has to be dark, serious and complex in order to be considered "for adults". But that's an entirely different matter anyway. We're talking about Hobbits here. People who live in holes in the ground, for fuck's sake! The only use a real, grown-up person would make of a hole in the ground is to poop in it!

I never asked for brooding emo films. I'm just saying, if Jackson was returning to Middle-Earth, the mainstream would want more of Lord of the Rings. The scope and epic sense of gravity from LotR is what the mainstream would want to see more of and the Hobbit is radically different in that regard. So to maintain a sense of continuity and stay true to the atmosphere that he established for LotR, I understand why he would add all the White Council stuff.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Dogs serving Beorn is one of the coolest things about The Hobbit.

That sounds very wrong.Cosman, you dirty boy.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

i think the worse thing is that they are adding and inventing things/characters on their own.

[Quintus 6,496]

Like the Lurtz. The awesome badass baddie of FotR.

[KK 3,313]

i think the worse thing is that they are adding and inventing things/characters on their own.

I'm perfectly fine with them digging through the appendixes as long as what they add is TOLKIEN. What I DON'T like is the fact that they are twisting Tolkien around and adding fictional elements of their own! Tauriel is a good example that is something Tolkien would never write in. And awful things like Nazgul tombs and bunnies of doom are elments I could probably never agree with. Let's hope they're still rumours.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

Is that the next Middle-Earth trilogy? The Adventures of Tauriel?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Romão 2,473]

What's this thing with Nazgul tombs I keep hearing about? Were they ever buried to have tombs at all?