The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

We will be seeing more of Middle-Earth in this movie, which means awesome vistas of New Zealand beauty. Merely the landscapes in the production videos are jaw droppingly gorgeous.

[Brónach 1,330]

Does anyone else think that too much mimicking of FoTR might hurt the film?

[Quintus 6,494]

I'm not expecting that actually. I have a feeling this will be a far more sprightly, spirited and whimsical first film. Sure there'll be peril around the corner, but I suspect Jackson might keep the tone mostly light. The darkness may be introduced proper by the third film, though.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

I expect the darkness to creep in once they cross the border of the Wilderland in the Misty Mountains.

[Brónach 1,330]

I'm not expecting that actually. I have a feeling this will be a far more sprightly, spirited and whimsical first film. Sure there'll be peril around the corner, but I suspect Jackson might keep the tone mostly light. The darkness may be introduced proper by the third film, though.

Yes I am convinced the tone of the book can be introduced into the LOTR movie world almost straight without much problem. But I was thinking on solving situations like the company leaving Rivendell in a manner mimicking LOTR to put an example. If the narrative paralells are too exagerated by visual and muswical similarities it might be too much of a deja vu and hurt the film.

[Quintus 6,494]

I expect the darkness to creep in once they cross the border of the Wilderland in the Misty Mountains.

Might that just be incidental scares and danger, though? Surely the impending doom of the Necromancer's rising will be kept well at bay, at least for films one and two?

[Incanus 5,890]

I expect the darkness to creep in once they cross the border of the Wilderland in the Misty Mountains.

Might that just be incidental scares and danger, though? Surely the impending doom of the Necromancer's rising will be kept well at bay, at least for films one and two?

Depends on how Gandalf's fact finding missions are paced in the films. Could be that the first film might provide good doses of the sense of growing darkness. But I was talking about Bilbo's journey. His first real tests come in the Misty Mountains and he encounters the harsher darker world in the Goblin tunnels.

[Quintus 6,494]

But I was thinking on solving situations like the company leaving Rivendell in a manner mimicking LOTR to put an example. If the narrative paralells are too exagerated by visual and muswical similarities it might be too much of a deja vu and hurt the film.

Hmm, possibly. I certainly appreciate what you're saying. Maybe though such tonal and quite literal similarities will be considered as comfort food for the returning masses? I don't know.

It'd certainly be great and interesting if they could do it differently.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

That would be hilarious.

I feel that Jackson won't be replicating too much of LotR shots unless they are of more general nature like wide shot of vistas and people travelling through them.

[KK 3,313]

So we have a new banner!

http://pdl.warnerbro...c_thescroll.jpg

And for all of us who were wondering about the first film's cut off, well there's your ending!

And there are a bunch of new stills!

http://www.theonerin...-hobbit-stills/

[Brónach 1,330]

There are rumours that the Barrow-downs scene from the LOTR books that didn't appear in the films will be in this film.

[KK 3,313]

And there's more! Character portraits of the Company:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/08/61675-thirteen-new-portrait-photos-from-the-hobbit/

[Brónach 1,330]

Balin = win.

[KK 3,313]

There are rumours that the Barrow-downs scene from the LOTR books that didn't appear in the films will be in this film.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are. Let's just hope Jackson handles the rearranging well.

Balin = win.

Not fond of the young hotshot look that Kili is going for though.

[Brónach 1,330]

Fili works better, and he's a blonde like in the book.

Ori looks like he could be a fun character.

[Quintus 6,494]

How can anyone not think these look great!

[Jay 46,241]

Everyone looks awesome

[KK 3,313]

Fili works better, and he's a blonde like in the book.

Yes, they did a fine job with Kili.

Ori looks like he could be a fun character.

He does. All these pics look awesome except for the portrait of Kili whose dark tone there feels out of place with the other portraits.

[gkgyver 1,647]

The Barrow Downs?

How in the world would that fit?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Quintus 6,494]

Hang on, if they could insert into FotR and RotK some extra expositional material of Merry's blade's significance then that might be a great idea!

I always lamented that stunning and unexpected detail being jettisoned from the films.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Once 1,082]

I always saw the company flying away on the eagles as being the best ending for the film.

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

What do you mean "extra expositional material"? How would that work?

"Aragorn, here are some swords, they are special westernsneeze swords, they are great for stabbing Nazgul's, and they can be yours for 19.95!"

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Quintus 6,494]

What do you mean "extra expositional material"? How would that work?

"Aragorn, here are some swords, they are special westernsneeze swords, they are great for stabbing Nazgul's, and they can be yours for 19.95!"

That's it! Perfect!

Aragorn would be a cg Viggo, obviously.

[SF1_freeze 138]

Would i have prefered the orginal ending point... absolutely but the new one isn't that bad either.

I am sure they add otherwise cut out material (shire, etc) back in to get to a comfortable 2h30min lenght. Sadly the inevitable EEs seem to not get much extended anymore with the 3 film decision.

[Brónach 1,330]

Does anyone else feel that the story might become a tad too slow now?

I mean, two hours later, and we are still at the other side of the montains, and it ends...

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[SF1_freeze 138]

The new first film seems to be more about the characters and not so much about story progression. Especially if character scenes don't get cut out due to otherwise too short film lenght.

[KK 3,313]

And there are a bunch of new stills!

http://www.theonerin...-hobbit-stills/

I hate it when a guy comes here and posts a shitload of pictures. It feels so much like an attempt to get everyone's attention and a craving for love. I find that despicable. Anyway...

I think the Messenger is just a wee bit jealous that someone got to the pics before he did

So we have a new banner!

And for all of us who were wondering about the first film's cut off, well there's your ending!

Meh... Don't think this ending will work as much as the original would have. And I don't really like the fact they changed the structure of the first film. I mean, if it was supposed to end with the barrels scene, and it now ends with them escaping from the Wargs. They must have removed at least 30 to 40 minutes from the first film! Say what you want, but I don't think you can change a film structure that was planned like two or three years ago just like that and make the movie feel like a cohesive whole. But, hey, I guess it's time for my motto: "I hope I'll be proven wrong!"

Agreed. I'm still very much against this trilogy idea. I mean it just introduces so many unneccessary pacing issues. As Chaac said, this film could be a bit slow now. The barrel ending was really perfect. Just imagine it. Them rolling down the river while the camera pans up towards the Lonely Mountain in the distance. Just perfect.

The current ending is nowhere near as good and I suppose it could work, but it doesn't leave much for the film. I would have preferred the film to cut off at the entry to Mirkwood. You could still have the camera pan out from the forest and zoom into the Lonely Mountain! But I guess we'll have to wait and keep faith in Jackson till we learn more.

There are rumours that the Barrow-downs scene from the LOTR books that didn't appear in the films will be in this film.

Fuck me, I hope that this will remain a rumor. What's next? Bombadil joining the dwarves company?

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. In fact, I almost expect it. Jackson's done stuff like this before, like putting Old Man Willow in Fangorn.

[Jilal 681]

Although it most definitely isn't anywhere near as good as the thing Howard Shore will come up with (duh!), I made a little piece, using the theme from the trailer, for the company leaving Rivendell.

Hope you enjoy it anyway:

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That's great, gkgyver! I hope Shore uses that theme in the score.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Marian Schedenig 11,694]

And for all of us who were wondering about the first film's cut off, well there's your ending!

I believe that was my original guess. It should work well. It might also mean that Lake Town is still the split point between #2 and #3.

[Quintus 6,494]

Although it most definitely isn't anywhere near as good as the thing Howard Shore will come up with (duh!), I made a little piece, using the theme from the trailer, for the company leaving Rivendell.

Hope you enjoy it anyway:

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That's great, gkgyver! I hope Shore uses that theme in the score.

That is really quite nice gkgyver, I can definitely hear your FotR thinking there, but tell me; why is Gandalf carrying a phallic shaped staff?

[Incanus 5,890]

Perhaps you should send some e-mails regarding that and Legolas' dark hair to the artist, Ted Nasmith, Quint.

[Marian Schedenig 11,694]

What's wrong with Legolas' dark hair?

[Incanus 5,890]

What's wrong with Legolas' dark hair?

Nothing as such but it should be fair. Of course Tolkien was obligingly obscure in this regard so we have 2 schools on this as well.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

If only!

[Marian Schedenig 11,694]

Apparently (I wasn't aware of this until now), Thranduil is described as having golden hair (though I wouldn't take hair colours in The Hobbit too seriously). But in general, Elves, with the exception of the Vanyar and Finarfin and his descendants, were dark-haired. A few individuals excepted, of course.

From what I know, Legolas is generally assumed to have dark hair, although the movie versions (both Bakshi and PJ) make him blonde.

Would you like to know more?

[Incanus 5,890]

Nonsense! Obviously he is fair haired like his father!

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Marian Schedenig 11,694]

Nonsense! Obviously he is fair haired like his father!

And Dwalin has a blue beard.

[Incanus 5,890]

Nonsense! Obviously he is fair haired like his father!

And Dwalin has a blue beard.

Of course he has. Greyish-blue! Think man! Think!

Or was it cobalt blue or Prussian blue. Perhaps even navy blue.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Out the Shire, to Rivendell, captured by Orcs, Gollum, Warg attack, the end.

Sounds like an awfully slow movie to me. And I mean like, really, really, awfully slow.

It doesn't have to end with the Eagles, though, remember that PJ is packing a shitload of other stuff into the film. It could end with Gandalf discovering the wraith tombs.

Although it most definitely isn't anywhere near as good as the thing Howard Shore will come up with (duh!), I made a little piece, using the theme from the trailer, for the company leaving Rivendell.

Hope you enjoy it anyway:

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That's great, gkgyver! I hope Shore uses that theme in the score.

That is really quite nice gkgyver, I can definitely hear your FotR thinking there, but tell me; why is Gandalf carrying a phallic shaped staff?

Because Ian McKellen is gay?

[gkgyver 1,647]

If the Barrow Downs are in these films, how the hell are these films structured? How could there be any cinematic reason to go to that point in FotR's story?

I have two theories.

Number one, they extend the story to such lengths that the events parallel to the story of Fellowship are included and, for whatever reason, this is included.

Number two, Bilbo and company play the role of Frodo and company in Fellowship, and they have the encounter after leaving Hobbiton. That would also add some runtime to the movie.

It would be a bold move, but we are talking about the writers who sent Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath.

With Gandalf being with Bilbo for large portions of the film, there is not much room for exploring his own quest.

And I can absolutely not see a three hour movie in these events.