Docteur Qui 1,581 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Unless Harry Potter proves to be a fad, which I'm betting it will. And of course, if people are still reading the novels in 2107, I'd say there wouldn't be many since most people would have found many more sagas to gush about by that point.Ten years and no sign of losing steam doesn't seem like much of a fad to me.
Morlock 12 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The Harry Potter books have real staying power. It's the Potter movies everyone will have forgotten about in 50 years. And going on the first four films, rightfully so (I will defend PoA to death, but it alone can't keep the series afloat).
King Mark 3,975 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The Harry Potter books have real staying power. It's the Potter movies everyone will have forgotten about in 50 years.I disagree,3 of them have JW scores which tend to become classic movies.K.M.
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The Harry Potter books have real staying power. It's the Potter movies everyone will have forgotten about in 50 years.I disagree,3 of them have JW scores which tend to become classic movies.Really? So do these.StepmomRosewoodSleepersSabrinaPresumed InnocentStanley & IrisThe Accidental TouristSpaceCampThe RiverMonsignorHeartbeeps1941Black SundayMidwayThe Missouri BreaksThe Eiger Sanction Classics? I think not.- Marc,
robthehand 3 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Don't forget that all-time classic John Goldfarb, Please Come Home!, not to mention his classic debut: Daddy-O.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The Harry Potter books have real staying power.Yeah, especially book 6, with all the love potion talk and the endless discovery sessions with Dumbledore, was destined to become immortal.
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The glimpses into Voldemort's past are terrifically fascinating, and I suspect important for what's coming up.Ray Barnsbury - who has a newly found respect for HBP
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I realize their function within the whole series will probably be quite clear by the time book 7 is here, but as a novel in and of itself, Half-Blood Prince is really rather weak.
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I definitely agree it's the weakest of the series, and doesn't function all that well as a self-contained work, especially as compared to the others. But I still think it's pretty enjoyable, with moments of greatness.Ray Barnsbury
Docteur Qui 1,581 Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 The Harry Potter books have real staying power.Yeah, especially book 6, with all the love potion talk and the endless discovery sessions with Dumbledore, was destined to become immortal.The books will have staying power as a series, not as individual books. Nobody talks about how much better "The Two Towers" was than "The Fellowship of the Ring". It's the one story, divided into different books.
King Mark 3,975 Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 I can tell you how much more boring The Two Towers is compared to Fellowship of the Ring...K.M.
Red 75 Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 'Course, The Lord of the Rings films will stand the test of time as great films. I'm not so sure that the same will said of the Harry Potter films.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted January 6, 2007 Author Posted January 6, 2007 Lotr TTT will be remembered as a long an boring film, so long, and very boring.
John Crichton 4 Posted January 6, 2007 Posted January 6, 2007 The books will have staying power as a series, not as individual books. Nobody talks about how much better "The Two Towers" was than "The Fellowship of the Ring". It's the one story, divided into different books.He speaks truth, this one.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Oh, I get it! So, Half- Blood Prince is one hell of a novel, and the LOTR films are so very long ang boring ... how could that slip my mind?As if the Potter films weren't at least 10 minutes too long, especially Sorcerer's Stone and Goblet Of Fire.By the way, what in freezing hell happened to this board? They killed Newman!
John Crichton 4 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 You need to reload Newman due to the board switch.
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Who's Newman?~SturgisEDIT: I realized who you meant. Incidentally, how do you delete posts now?
Morlock 12 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Who's Newman?~SturgisEDIT: I realized who you meant. Incidentally, how do you delete posts now? You don't. You live with the shame, forever.
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Hopefully, it'll make you think twice before posting something stupid.So there.
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 ~Sturgis . . . opps, I hope that wasn't stupid
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Hopefully, it'll make you think twice before posting something stupid.So there.That won't stop people.
Morlock 12 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 It never does. Case in point. (Just kidding )
John Crichton 4 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 John- who doesn't think that's as good as the old LOL emoticon
Damo 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Face it everyone!!!The music for the Potter films is going downhill ever since John Williams left the series. No offensive to Patrick Doyle but I reckon his score would of sounded a lot better if he use more John Williams themes besides one or make it sounded more like Williams. His score was okay but no where near the perfection of how John Williams had it for the first three films. Patrick Doyle should have use Voldemort's theme by John Williams in the first Harry Potter (HPSS) considering it about him making a come back of dark side in the fourth one. However instead he just composed a new freshly score of his own. Now for the upcoming film Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is going to be released sometime this year. They got a new film composer not Patrick Doyle as we already know...Nicholas Hooper. Now, we know that he a new composer. Probably quite young maybe, but the question is how good is he? Will be able to pull off a better score then Patrick Doyle by showing good respect for John Williams?We have to find out and to wait and see when the film get released in the theaters.
Jacob 1 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Probably a stupid question (Don't you just love posts that begin like this?), but here goes: What do you recommend? Reading the books or watching the movies first?I saw movies 1-3 before reading the books. I enjoyed them. I read books 1-3 later and really appreciated all the filled in details. I was going to wait on reading Goblet of Fire and see the movie first, but I couldn't help myself after finishing book 3. I was going to stop reading before the last few chapters so I wouldn't spoil the conclusion for the movie.Yeah right. I read the whole thing in about a week. I would have started right into book 5 but we don't have it.What do ya'll think would be best?1. Read the book through first.2. See the movie first.3. Read the book excepting the end and then see the movie, and then finish the book.I'm pretty sure what the consensus will be ("Read the book you moron!"), but I'm interested in opinions nonetheless.
Damo 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 It is the best if you read the books first before you see the film. The books is still better then the films considering they are based on it. The problems with the potter films is that each Harry Potter book get bigger and bigger...which make a lot more cutting and editing to cut it down for about 2 hour film which means you missed out some parts that are in the book but not in the film.The films is just like a summary of the books.
John Crichton 4 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Read the books you moron! Seriously, you have to read the books and try not to even think about the movies while doing so. They are the original source material, and are far superior to the movies in every way.
John Crichton 4 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Heh, good ol' simo-post. The difference is it's what, midday over there, while I'm shuffling off to bed.
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Yes, books first for sure! The films pale in comparison, even the excellent PoA.Williams' music still fits the books, though. Ray Barnsbury
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 The music for the Potter films is going downhill ever since John Williams left the series.Well, there's been only one score since, and there's only either up or down to go with that, isn't there?- Marc, who thought CoS was already a major step back from PS, but PoA was awesome.
Damo 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Well that depends how well Nicholas Hooper does the 5th Harry Potter one and beside he has never has done a score for film before and he is new. He only done scores for TVs as far as I know according to his database on IMDB. His next score is going to be his major one and it also his first film to do a score.
Mr. Breathmask 624 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 So, he's probably extra motivated to do well.And seeing how there's not much to judge him on so far, I'm going to hold off on judging any of the music until I've seen the film.
Damo 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Extra motivated to do well? Maybe so...I just hoping he'll do a better score then Patrick Doyle at least...and i hope he doesn't try to sound like Doyle's score. I didn't like doyle's recognition of his version of Hedwig's theme...other than that it was okay.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 and i hope he doesn't try to sound like Doyle's score. I didn't like doyle's recognition of his version of Hedwig's theme...other than that it was okay.Any composer using Doyle's score as a guide instead of Williams' should be canned as soon as he delivers the first demo tracks.
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Read the books first.I can remember my daughter's sarcastic words when I bought the GOF CD; "I thought you weren't interested in HP anymore since that guy wasn't doing the music."
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Watch the movie. The book is just one big spoiler report.
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Maybe so...I just hoping he'll do a better score then Patrick Doyle at least...and i hope he doesn't try to sound like Doyle's score. I didn't like doyle's recognition of his version of Hedwig's theme...other than that it was okay.What I'm more afraid of is that because he's relatively new, he won't want to mess up, and will go the safe route and re-hash Williams and Doyles material. Which, of course, is not so safe if he pays attention to the film score community's opinions.
Damo 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Both Patrick Doyle and Nicholas Hooper are british composers. Their scores could turn out to be alike. John Williams started off the series and since he left the series... the other composers should follow his guide to sounded as if it is close enough to sounded like John Williams still doing the music for it. Doyle didn't seem like he was using John Williams as a guide but he had no choice but he had use John Williams themes in it at least once or twice bare minimum which he did so. There is a big different between John Williams scores for the first three Harry Potter's films and Patrick Doyle for Goblet of fire.
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Both Patrick Doyle and Nicholas Hooper are british composers. Their scores could turn out to be alike.Do John Barry, David Arnold, Craig Armstrong, John Addison and Malcolm Arnold all sound alike because they're pommy?
Jacob 1 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Thanks for the input guys. I was already leaning to reading book 5 first. If I get the motivation to do it. I mean, that's a long book. And I'm not what you'd call an avid reader - of novels anyway. But we'll see. It's still a long time 'til the movie comes out.Watch the movie. The book is just one big spoiler report.Nice advice. Speaking of spoilers, I've already been ruined on that one spoiler where that one dude kills the other dude. Yeah. My sister couldn't keep it to herself. (Actually it was my brother who revealed WHO did it. )Oh well. Guess I'll just have to wait 20 years for the next big fantasy saga.I can remember my daughter's sarcastic words when I bought the GOF CD; "I thought you weren't interested in HP anymore since that guy wasn't doing the music."You should have taken her over your knee and given her a good spanking right there. How do you put up with it?
Damo 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Both Patrick Doyle and Nicholas Hooper are british composers. Their scores could turn out to be alike.Do John Barry, David Arnold, Craig Armstrong, John Addison and Malcolm Arnold all sound alike because they're pommy?No they don't. But those composers aren't relevant are they for Harry Potter films? So that out the question. It the experiences and the skills that has the abilities to adapt John Williams themes in a good score.I didn't say that those two are going to sound alike. I'm trying to say that they could turn out to be alike as a possiblity. It's will go either way as a good score or a bad score but since he a new composer about to compose his first film in his career is going to be a big challenge for him especially doing the Harry Potter films.
Diego 21 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Doyle didn't seem like he was using John Williams as a guide but he had no choice but he had use John Williams themes in it at least once or twice bare minimum which he did so. There is a big different between John Williams scores for the first three Harry Potter's films and Patrick Doyle for Goblet of fire.Why would Doyle use Williams's themes, when Williams himself got rid of 95% percent of his themes for POA?? Only Hedwig's theme is used heavily in the film and then there's the Nimbus theme cameo at the end, other than that he didn't use any of the themes from the previous two movies.And I'd say there's also a big difference between the first two scores and POA.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 I agree completely with Diego.Also Jurassic Park III made extensive use of Williams' themes from the first film, but that hardly made it a better score, far from it actually.
King Cat 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 I deplore the fact that no composer has written a theme for Crookshanks yetK.C
Morlock 12 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 I don't wish Doyle would have used more JW themes (although I do think JW's theme for Moaning Myrtle would have fit in very nicely). I wish that Doyle would just write better Doyle music.....he knows how to do it. Probably the terrible film made him not even try. In fact, now that I think about, all of Doyle's scores of late have been unimpressive, the last good one coming from the last good movie he scored, Gosford Park. Although I've heard good stuff about his recent Wah-Wah score.
Ollie 1,375 Posted January 11, 2007 Posted January 11, 2007 I can remember my daughter's sarcastic words when I bought the GOF CD; "I thought you weren't interested in HP anymore since that guy wasn't doing the music."You should have taken her over your knee and given her a good spanking right there. How do you put up with it?Uh she was 18 at the time. Don't think that would have been proper.
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