Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 These coloured LPs are useless in a laser turntable, which can only read black discs. Xander Harris 1
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 I love this score. It's better than almost everything.
Jay 46,244 Posted February 20, 2018 Author Posted February 20, 2018 I love it too. It's funny, when I was younger, I thought the VGER / Cloud / Flyover type cues were too boring and repetitive. I was a fool! They're my favorite parts of the score other than Ilia's theme Tallguy 1
KittBash 361 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Funny how many of us can probably say this same thing!
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 The score - and film - only get boring for me once they disembark to confront V'ger. It's ok, it's just sort of rushed from then to the end and feels more like a tacked on TV episode ending than a good climax and denouement to something of this length. I'd usually just rewind the tape at that point and watch again, and I basically do the same thing while listening to the score nowadays. Xander Harris 1
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I like that low cue prior to The Meld, I can't remember the title right now.
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, TGP said: The score - and film - only get boring for me once they disembark to confront V'ger. It's ok, it's just sort of rushed from then to the end and feels more like a tacked on TV episode ending than a good climax and denouement to something of this length. I'd usually just rewind the tape at that point and watch again, and I basically do the same thing while listening to the score nowadays. It's a good reason why the OST is a perfect length and cuts out most of the irrelevant junk in the score. Goldsmith knew what he was doing. Xander Harris 1
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Just stick with Star Trek V, the best Trek score and film.
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I thought OSTs were forbidden on this forum. Besides... I don't believe you'd kill me... for a shelf of expanded scores.
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Look! The OST's come out! It's a miracle!
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 So it's the OST you want, ya JWFan bastards! What are you waiting for?!
Trent B 354 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Jay said: I love it too. It's funny, when I was younger, I thought the VGER / Cloud / Flyover type cues were too boring and repetitive. I was a fool! They're my favorite parts of the score other than Ilia's theme Ya same here for when I was younger. It's as very good score from beginning to the end. Just like Star Trek Nemesis. The OST didn't help that one very much but in my opinion the complete score helps it A LOT better.
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Nemesis needs some tinkering to reduce the amount of repetitive boring atmospheric Shinzon/Reman stuff. Once you get rid of that, it's smooth sailing. Smooth as an Android's bottom.
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 4,400 Posted February 21, 2018 Popular Post Posted February 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: Nemesis needs some tinkering to reduce the amount of repetitive boring atmospheric Shinzon/Reman stuff. Once you get rid of that, it's smooth sailing. Smooth as an Android's bottom. I agree with this. I almost always prefer Goldsmith scores in complete form, but there's just a little too much textural suspense music in this one. I take out about 20 min of it and all of a sudden it's a great listen! This would've made a killer original 48 minute album...if the right cues had been selected. Might have almost even lived up to Varese's hype at the time (remember?)... but instead somehow those 20 minutes of boring suspense made it onto the album while many great highlights were left off. Therefore the complete DE is essential, even if it's good to edit it down. Now as for TMP...maaybe there's a cue or two by Fred Steiner that could be lost without too much problem to the program. But the vast majority of the score stays. Love all the Herrmannesque V'ger material. Yavar Tallguy, Xander Harris and MrJosh 3
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Those boring atmospheric cues give it contrast. You don't need all that bold thematic stuff overrepresented. Xander Harris 1
Yavar Moradi 4,400 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Yeah, but even excising the 20 minutes like I said, there's still plenty of suspense left over for contrast. Some tracks like Odds and Ends mix some minutes of suspense with awesome action. You just don't need *that* much suspense for contrast. Then it's lacking contrast -- too many suspense cues in a row. In my humble opinion. Sometimes I do listen to the complete score again just for the heck of it. Yavar
Yavar Moradi 4,400 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 96% of the time I do prefer Goldsmith scores in complete & chronologial form, so I didn't make the judgement to excise things lightly. Yavar
Brundlefly 2,402 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 On 20.2.2018 at 2:07 PM, Jay said: It's funny, when I was younger, I thought the VGER / Cloud / Flyover type cues were too boring and repetitive. I was a fool! They're my favorite parts of the score other than Ilia's theme That's the only reason why it has become one of my Goldsmith favourites! I'm happy that there's so much V'Ger stuff on the C&C! As for Nemisis: I have seen the program of the OST, but never owned it. But what the fuck were they thinking when they decided to omit Battle Stations and The Argo and...?!
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Goldsmith really wanted to stress the Shinzon/Reman music on the album. It has ASMR-Iike qualities when cranked on the hi-fi. Maybe he found it relaxing. Jill Sandwich 1
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Anyone else heard the multi-channel SACD layer?
Naïve Old Fart 13,023 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 3:25 AM, Denise Bryson said: I thought OSTs were forbidden on this forum. Besides... I don't believe you'd kill me... for a shelf of expanded scores. (sobs, pathetically) all I have. 44 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Anyone else heard the multi-channel SACD layer? No, but if it's anything like the TIMELINE, and THE FIRST GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY 5.1 layer SACDs, it'll be worth listening to.
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,262 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 8:06 PM, Fal said: I like that low cue prior to The Meld, I can't remember the title right now. V'ger Speaks. Isn't that one of the Fred Steiner cues?
Nick Parker 3,049 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I haven't read this thread and will not add anything in depth, but I will say this score is one of my absolute favorites, and Ilia's theme chokes me up just about everytime I hear it.
Brundlefly 2,402 Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 On 22.2.2018 at 10:22 AM, TGP said: V'ger Speaks. Isn't that one of the Fred Steiner cues? It's this almost silent minimalistic cue which is still awesome, although barely anything happens in it.
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 I prefer the OST. Only questionable missing cue is Spock's Arrival. Otherwise, perfect.
Pellaeon 597 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 I snapped this up in the sale, and it’s great! What is the definitive version of Ilia’s Theme, for you? D1T1 Overture 1:43 D2T15 Ilia’s Theme 3:00 D3T1 Overture [long version] 2:50 D3T24 Ilia’s Theme [alternate] 3:33
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 For me it's the three minute album version.
Trent B 354 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 I prefer the regular film Overture for Ilia's Theme. Sweet, short and to the point.
Xander Harris 9,675 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 The brief cue when Decker and Ilia speak in the corridor. "No Goodbyes" or something.
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain. Amer 1
Pellaeon 597 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Was that before or after her “no more pants” oath?
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 2:02 PM, Trent B said: I prefer the regular film Overture for Ilia's Theme. Sweet, short and to the point. Eh. It sounds too much like an edit for me, like I accidentally started in the middle of the cue.
Naïve Old Fart 13,023 Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 4:52 PM, Pellaeon said: I snapped this up in the sale, and it’s great! What is the definitive version of Ilia’s Theme, for you? D1T1 Overture 1:43 D2T15 Ilia’s Theme 3:00 D3T1 Overture [long version] 2:50 D3T24 Ilia’s Theme [alternate] 3:33 Whatever the version that was on the 1979 OST. On 7/30/2018 at 9:23 PM, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain. When Ilia is around, screw celibacy!
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 She dipped her bald head in oil... and rubbed it all over my body.
Kasey Kockroach 2,744 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 This score's for boring smart people!
MrJosh 1,205 Posted August 12, 2018 Posted August 12, 2018 I love hearing the first runs of the Main Title with the stage chatter and the cellos coming in early the first time.
Holko 12,061 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 I want to get this. I will get this. But one thing's really bothering me about the LLL samples, and that's an unusual mix with... I'm not sure, a very wide stereo field, maybe? With my usual headphones, in many of the cues I don't "feel" it coming from a somewhat less than 180° field in front of me like usually, but, like right with the main title opening, more from 3 more or less distinct directions - one weakly in the front and two either to the sides or toward the back, triangularly. It's not always like that and I don't think this description does it justice but it's not the most pleasant. Does this bother anyone else or am I insane?
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 My only gripe with the film score presentation on the LLL is the synth wails in Leaving Drydock are dialled out, same with the synth chimes in the End Titles. But they remain in the OST arrangement on Disc 2. What the hell?
Holko 12,061 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 Well those are both present separately and unedited in both versions as I can see - just pull a switcheroo in the ripped playlist.
Jill Sandwich 11,166 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Holko said: Well those are both present separately and unedited in both versions as I can see - just pull a switcheroo in the ripped playlist. Playlist eh?
Jurassic Shark 16,430 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 On 8/10/2018 at 6:59 PM, Kasey Kockroach said: This score's for boring smart people! Fixed!
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 4 hours ago, dougie said: My only gripe with the film score presentation on the LLL is the synth wails in Leaving Drydock are dialled out, same with the synth chimes in the End Titles. But they remain in the OST arrangement on Disc 2. What the hell? Well the end titles is a different take (longer or shorter).
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