Michael Giacchino's Star Trek Into Darkness

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

Giacchino used an orchestra, sloppy.

[Jay 46,241]

Just listened again. That's a damn catchy melody. Too bad it wasn't used in the final score.

[KK 3,313]

I'd prefer the slightly mechanical tune in the original over the generic last-minute job of the current cue. The former sounds like it can be fleshed out into some great cues "Prize is Barsoom" style.

[Brónach 1,330]

Just listened again. That's a damn catchy melody. Too bad it wasn't used in the final score.

Are you sure?

None of these two melodies have anything to do with the so called Starfleet theme that isn't in the CD?

[Jay 46,241]

Nope.

Any why would the Starfleet theme be used for a scene featuring a couple in London going to the hospital and grieving over their sick child?

[Brónach 1,330]

I read the character works for Starfleet. Which is why he's approached by the villain.

[Jay 46,241]

The Starfleet Theme plays at 0:48 of Brigadoom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktME2R_SGNw

Different melodies, though they do start off similarly.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,110]

I thought the star fleet theme appeared in Brigadoom

[Jay 46,241]

I thought the star fleet theme appeared in Brigadoom

It does.

[RuBen_Kenobi 20]

I like the soundtrack but it is very short and feels like a greatest hits or something. Most of the Giacchino´s albums are more than an hour long (besides the Pixar´s ones), so I don´t feel it like one of his stronger scores. I don´t know if I can explain myself, I love the Harrison Theme, the new renditions of the previous themes and tracks like the Kronos Wartet and The San Fran Hustle are amazing. But I feel that I need more.

Sadly here in Spain we need to wait to the 5th of July to see the movie and listen the rest of the score . Can´t wait for it (I love the first one, one of the most entertaining movies of the last years and I am one of the biggest Giacchino fans over here ) and hope for a deluxe edition.

[Jay 46,241]

The OST is now available in 96khz/24bits from HDTracks. I think this is a first for Varese

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD030206719826

[Jim Ware 638]

Has this been posted here yet? Some session footage and an interview with Tim Simonec (conductor) -

http://vimeo.com/66385923

[Jay 46,241]

it has not. What is it? (Vimeo is blocked at my work)

[crocodile 9,724]

I don't think so. Thanks!

EDIT: It's a 7-minute video on scoring sessions to the new Trek film.

Karol

[Jay 46,241]

Mr. Ware do you have any commentary on what we can learn from this video?

[crocodile 9,724]

Tim Simonec talks a little bit about how the new score is slightly more synth-driven and has less chorus. And other blah blah blah about creative process.

Karol

[Joe Brausam 234]

Interesting seeing a piccolo trumpet at the end, I don't recall hearing it in the score.

The end credits sheet music seen near the beginning said V.2 with added choir, so I suppose a choirless version existed. Who knows if it was recorded.

[Jay 46,241]

OK I saw the film in the theater again last night, and have a few comments

First of all I was NOT wrong from the first time I saw the film - there is a ton of GREAT unreleased cues in the film. I completely disagree with those who say there weren't that many. Here are some notable ones I remember - now this is just going off the top of my head, I haven't begun to analyze the film yet at all

(spoilers if you haven't seen the film)

-REALLY Nice piano work when Pike tells Kirk that he's been demoted, which leads directly into:

-the cue for Khan assembling his antidote and ring-bomb, Harewood arriving at work, getting inside, putting the ring in the glass, and it blowing up. The first part of the cue is like the opening piano bit of Londo Calling, but MUCH better, then halfway through as Harewood sees Khan standing outside his work, the cue takes this wickedly delicious evil turn, and as he goes into work now Harrison's Theme plays in this awesome, twisted evil version. It was SO GOOD!

-Good action cue for Harrison's gunship assault and Kirk taking down his ship

-Cool militaristic music for the Enterprise shown in orbit over Earth, and them taking off (see below)

-Cool ehru stuff as Spock tells Uhura and Kirk about how the destruction of Vulcan affected him so much he turns off his emotions on purpose to not feel them any more

-Awesome, militaristic version of Harrison's Theme after he is captured and the Enterprise security team marches him to his cell

-Another cue with a great, different variations on Harrison's Theme I can't remember where it was at the moment

-More cool ehru stuff featuring both Spock/Vulcan themes and Spock talks to Spock Prime

-Another good action cue for Kirk and Khan sneaking through the Vengeance towards the bridge

-I'm sure there's more I can't remember right now!

And also this time I really noticed what many have been calling the "Starfleet Theme" or "Dark side of Starfleet theme". I am now positive that both those titles are wrong - this is clearly Admiral Marcus's Theme! Yes, it is first played on an establishing shot of Starfleet HQ, but it's because Kirk and Spock are going there for Marcus's meeting, and all the other times it plays in the film is either when Marcus is on screen, when characters are talking about Marcus (Brigadoom), or when people are doing things on his order (such as the take-off from Earth cue mentioned above). It's not a very developed theme, but some statements of it are really cool, and it plays a lot in the movie! Probably more than even Harrison's theme.

Can't WAIT for more music to come out!!!

[Jim Ware 638]

Interesting seeing a piccolo trumpet at the end, I don't recall hearing it in the score.

The end credits sheet music seen near the beginning said V.2 with added choir, so I suppose a choirless version existed. Who knows if it was recorded.

Oddly that's sheet music from the 2009 film, not Into Darkness.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

then it was re-recorded using the same cuesheets?

[Damien F 2,079]

(spoilers below)

I agree with you about the cue just below the London bombing with the London Calling theme and John Harrison's theme. It is my favourite unreleased cue.

I was never content with referring to that theme as "Dark Side of Starfleet" but it was the best I could come up with. I think its statements during scenes where Marcus didn't appear threw me off but your assessment that those scenes are indirectly linked to Marcus makes sense. I agree that calling it Admiral Marcus's theme is neater (the theme no longer appears after he is killed), although within the context of the movie Admiral Marcus and "Dark Side of Starfleet" are the same.

The scene where Harrison attacks the Starfleet meeting is the only major action cue that is unreleased but it is so heavily drowned out by sound effects that I can't comment on the music. I didn't hear any thematic material however. I really expected to hear a cool statement of John Harrison's theme during the shot of him looking at Kirk as he is transporting off his jumpship but Giachinno decided not to do so.

It's also amusing that most commentry about this OST I've read is assuming that a deluxe edition is a certainty. However from a profit-making point of view, I would be very surprised if Verese doesn't release a deluxe edition within a year to repeat the double-dip of the ST09 score.

[Offline 29]

then it was re-recorded using the same cuesheets?

Yes, I actually stated this in one of my posts a page or so back when I did my partial Cue List/Film Version VS. OST comparison (Which I label 4 Reels from the cue list) but no one seemed to have noticed.

They used the 2009 cue sheet to re-record it for the film. It's exactly the same, and I do say it turned out WAY better than the 2009 version and is a shame it's not on the OST.

Also Jason, I highly agree there is a LOT of good music they just decided to leave off for some silly reason. Also, I have a slightly better quality version of the Original Version of "London Calling" from the IMAX Preview, it has people talking at one point, but you can hear the detail of it A LOT better.

As for which version of London Calling I like them both very much, but ultimately i think the final version of London Calling fits the film/sequence better and was the better choice for the film. I would love to hear the original version of it properly though.

[Max 154]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Giacchino himself said that the "Dark Side of Starfleet" theme is Admiral Marcus's theme.

[in addition to the "bad guy" theme] there is a new theme for a new character–this Admiral that is involved [Presumably Peter Weller's Admiral Marcus].

Source: http://trekmovie.com/2013/04/14/michael-giacchino-gives-star-trek-into-darkness-score-movie-details-listen-to-clip-of-harrisons-theme-from-stid-more/

[Jay 46,241]

Yup, it's obviously Marcus's Theme.

[mjoshea148 0]

then it was re-recorded using the same cuesheets?

Yes, I actually stated this in one of my posts a page or so back when I did my partial Cue List/Film Version VS. OST comparison (Which I label 4 Reels from the cue list) but no one seemed to have noticed.

They used the 2009 cue sheet to re-record it for the film. It's exactly the same, and I do say it turned out WAY better than the 2009 version and is a shame it's not on the OST.

Also Jason, I highly agree there is a LOT of good music they just decided to leave off for some silly reason. Also, I have a slightly better quality version of the Original Version of "London Calling" from the IMAX Preview, it has people talking at one point, but you can hear the detail of it A LOT better.

As for which version of London Calling I like them both very much, but ultimately i think the final version of London Calling fits the film/sequence better and was the better choice for the film. I would love to hear the original version of it properly though.

Hi - would you be wiling to share the cleaned up version? Was looking forward to it on the soundtrack but learned of the revision per Michael Giacchino reply to my tweet:

Direct messages › with Michael Giacchino

4 May

Actually - I re-wrote that cue for the final film. So what you heard in the prologue preview doesn't exist anymore. Sorry!

[Jay 46,241]

Hopefully the original version will be on the Deluxe Edition

[Offline 29]

Mr. Ware do you have any commentary on what we can learn from this video?

What I personally learned:

-The film went under the title "Project HH" while the sessions took place:

-"Spock Drops, Kirk Jumps" (Which I already Identified as 1M04) is fully titled as "1M04 HH Prologue - Part 2 V2: Spock Slides Down, Kirk Jumps Off", which leads me to assume that "Pranking the Natives" would be similarly titled "1M03 HH Prologue - Part 1 V3: Pranking The Natives"

-The End Credits used the sheets from the 2009 film, so they're the essentially the same, just IMO performed and mixed way more awesome.

-Time Simonec (Conductor and Orchestrator) says that this one uses more Synth Effects and Less Choir, and Brass is generally the same.

-As far as I can tell, no new music, most of it is just bits from "Spock Drops, Kirk Jumps".

-Judging by the featurettes so far, they're only showing behind the scenes on the Sessions covering the Prologue, the blu-ray may be different.

-Also not related to the video, since Paramounts Blu-Rays seem to be the only ones that have their featurettes in Surround Sound (which is incredibly annoying of other studios who DONT) so when they use unreleased music in the featurettes it'll be possible to get them clean.

[crocodile 9,724]

Karol

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Direct messages › with Michael Giacchino

4 May

Actually - I re-wrote that cue for the final film. So what you heard in the prologue preview doesn't exist anymore. Sorry!

Hopefully the original version will be on the Deluxe Edition

I hope the Giacchino answer does not mean they just destroyed the master tapes of the preview music...

BTW seeing how MOH airborne went with LLL (early versions of cues from early sessions dropped out allegedly by the composer's request) i dont have much hope to have these cues.

[Offline 29]

Direct messages › with Michael Giacchino

4 May

Actually - I re-wrote that cue for the final film. So what you heard in the prologue preview doesn't exist anymore. Sorry!

Hopefully the original version will be on the Deluxe Edition

I hope the Giacchino answer does not mean they just destroyed the master tapes of the preview music...

BTW seeing how MOH airborne went with LLL (early versions of cues from early sessions dropped out allegedly by the composer's request) i dont have much hope to have these cues.

I don't think they destroyed the master tapes. I mean why would they do that? Seems a little overdramatic. As someone who writes music for Plays and Video Projects (haven't done a full-length film yet) I always keep every single version of each cue I write. I remember one particular cue I wrote that was only 15-20 seconds that I had 8 versions of, and I still have each of them.

Giacchino's answer does however lower my hopes of hearing the Prologue cues properly.

EDIT: Also for those of you wanting to hear a better quality version of the London Calling (Prologue Version) here you go, it's in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DM0wIgEsrI

[Brónach 1,330]

Ah that's the version I saw, with the Trekkie girl talking and laughing.

[Offline 29]

Ah that's the version I saw, with the Trekkie girl talking and laughing.

Yeah other than that the audio is significantly improved.

[Jay 46,241]

It sounds exactly the same as the video I posted earlier? Has the girl talking over the same spots and everything

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

He is referring to audio quality.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,110]

The woodwind version of Pranking the Natives sounds so much better.

[Anthony 895]

Is it bad that I prefer all the music in the preview over the final version?

Perhaps it's just the fact that we don't have it makes it sound better.

(With that being said, Spock Drops, Kirk Jumps sounded exactly the same.)

[Offline 29]

He is referring to audio quality.

Yes, the previous one sounded far more low quality and muffled, this one sounds more clear and you're able to make out some more details in the music.

UPDATE:

Imdb has a list of all the music used in the film, the three source tracks are now revealed:

"Theme from Star Trek"

Written by Alexander Courage & Gene Roddenberry

"Body Movin' (Fat Boy Slim Remix)"

Written by Mario Caldato Jr., Mike D, Adam Horovitz, Tito Puente, and Adam Yauch

Performed by Beastie Boys

Courtesy of Capitol Records, LLC

Under License from Universal Music Enterprises

"Everybody Wants to Go to Heaven"

Written by Don Nix

Performed by Albert King

Courtesy of Concord Music Group, Inc.

"The Growl"

Written by J.J. Abrams, Charles Scott, Anne Preven, and Kassia Conway

Produced by Charles Scott

Performed by Conway

Courtesy of Pulse Recordings

[Trent B 354]

I got my CD from Movie Music the other day and I like it. Although it sucks that "Ode To Harrison" wasn't on there, either way it's a bad ass album. I say bring on the Deluxe Edition!

[Ollie 1,375]

I wouldn't expect a deluxe album until next summer, if one does get released.

Varese is going to have to look at the sales of this one first. That will be one of the factors.

[Pieter Boelen 1,032]

Will they consider the amount of people who deliberately DON'T buy this release because they want a real one?

[Jay 46,241]

The Star Trek 09 OST was released in May 2009, and the Deluxe Edition was released in June 2010.

I could see the STID OST following the same pattern

But, I could also see the STID DE being released in a Christmas time Club batch

[gkgyver 1,647]

Am I the only one who finds the lack of the Courage theme end credits dissapointing?

[Ollie 1,375]

Nope, especially with the new recording he did it should have been included.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Yeah, I find the conclusion unsatisfying, Kirk Enterprises is such a great closing cue, and then it just stops and you have basically a re-recording of Enterprising Young Men. Questionable choice.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

They're obviously saving it for the Deluxe Edition.

[gkgyver 1,647]

I'm still not sure there will be one.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Why wouldn't there be?

[Jay 46,241]

I'd bet money that there will be one. It's a cash cow for Varese

They charged $35 for the '09 OST, and sold 5,000 copies in what, 2 months?

That's $175,000 in their pocket for a CD that cost much less than that to make

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Not to mention they love Giacchino.

[gkgyver 1,647]

It's just an intangible gut feeling because the movie doesn't seem to do well.