Leonard Rosenman's Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) - 2011 Complete and Remastered released by Intrada

[OneBuckFilms 517]

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If I work in a Complaints department, I might think a company may be really crappy, yet objectively, I'm not going to see all of the things that are done right.

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But once in a while, somthing will get held up or lost.

It will happen in any sufficiently large organization, simply due to the human factor.

**it happens

[Trent B 354]

This is probably the second time in 8 years I've had a package take this long to arrive. The other time was when I ordered something from Movie Music and it took a couple extra days to get here. I think it was because around that time it was a holiday weekend like last weekend. Otherwise I would have gotten it in the usual 2-3 days when I order from Peter.

[tharpdevenport 4]

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Now thing in life is free of bumps. This was a bump.

Now, get over it.

Unless you'd like to hear some mroe horry stories of what can happen.

OneBuckFilms, you're forgetting each location is not isolated. It's at the mercy of delivery and ability of mail from other locations, like one big ball of fucked-up-ness. Then in the rare instance it happens, every single location is at the mercy of the Congress, which sets the rules (being given the Post Office under the Constitution -- part of why it's BROKEN -- the government is running it into the ground and the USPS can't change things enough to save themselves).

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

I just gave this a listen today. Finally got it yesterday along with The Undiscovered Country. The sound is considerably clearer than the OST! And interesting liner notes, as usual. I never realized Spock had a theme in the score. So has my opinion of the score improved? A little bit, yes.

Also interesting to learn from Rosenman that it is impossible for film composers to develop a style unless they've had concert music training.

[John Crichton 4]

"I Hate You" is my new favorite piece of source music.

[Jay 46,241]

Back in stock

 

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[TolkienSS 537]

On 11/03/2012 at 7:02 PM, Kendal_Ozzel said:

I just gave this a listen today. Finally got it yesterday along with The Undiscovered Country. The sound is considerably clearer than the OST! And interesting liner notes, as usual. I never realized Spock had a theme in the score. So has my opinion of the score improved? A little bit, yes.

Also interesting to learn from Rosenman that it is impossible for film composers to develop a style unless they've had concert music training.

 

Not entirely inaccurate.

[Thor 9,362]

Mark Burgess has written an essay on the score, in the year it turns 40:

 

https://celluloidtunes.no/star-trek-iv-the-voyage-home-leonard-rosenman/

[Naïve Old Fart 13,020]

My goodness! Is IV really 40 years old?!

[Jay 46,241]

Yeah

[Tallguy 7,366]

2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

My goodness! Is IV really 40 years old?!

 

Right now it's Jack Benny.

 

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In retrospect, this is not a big surprise. Leonard Nimoy was proudly Jewish, and Jewish people form tight cliques in America, so it was only natural that he would want a Jewish composer to fill the role. In the end, it turned out to be an inspired choice – a fitting challenge approaching the end of his career.

 

Um. Wasn't Horner also Jewish? What a weird thing to say.

 

Also (going from memory here) weren't Rosenman and Nimoy friends going back decades?

 

BTW, I will reiterate: TVH is a fantastic score. It's not Horner or Goldsmith, but it's the most TOS sounding movie of them all. (Which is funny considering how many TOS fans still hate it.)

[Stark 1,023]

hate this score. happily found a damaged copy for like $3 so my shelf doesn't look empty but I hope the discs don't play

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

36 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

BTW, I will reiterate: TVH is a fantastic score. It's not Horner or Goldsmith, but it's the most TOS sounding movie of them all. (Which is funny considering how many TOS fans still hate it.)

 

Its manure!

[Naïve Old Fart 13,020]

38 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 (Which is funny considering how many TOS fans still hate it.)

I certainly don't hate the score for IV.

Oddly, I prefer it as a listening experience, rather than to hear it in the film.

There are some lovely individual tracks, but as a whole, it doesn't hold together.

Horner would have knocked IV out of the park.

[1977 2,134]

Thank you Rosenman's Star Trek IV for reigniting my passion for film music circa 1987 (we had to wait that long for the film to release theatrically where I'm from).

[Andy 7,727]

It’s a cool score for a film that is technically part of a trilogy, but really has its own identity, unique from the other two and therefore required a unique score.  Alexander Courage wrote dissonant horns asking unanswered questions, and I think Rosenman falls in line with that.  I don’t believe Horner would’ve turned out anything we didn’t already have from him regarding Star Trek.  I love his first two scores, but even they repeated quite a bit of material. 

[ThePenitentMan1 1,521]

It'd be cool for there to be a fan project that scored TVH as if it were done by Horner, like the Harry Potter JW-esque rescores.

 

Of course, this would be a massively time-consuming project that would require familiarity with both Horner's compositional style and his cue-spotting sense.  And, obviously, knowing how to actually write music, of course.

[Tallguy 7,366]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

It’s a cool score for a film that is technically part of a trilogy, but really has its own identity, unique from the other two and therefore required a unique score.

 

Really the most connective tissue between 2 and 3 is Horner. Meyer and Nimoy (or Bennett without Meyer?) were very different story tellers. I can't imagine 3 without Horner. But I can't really imagine 4 without Rosenman. They are such fundamental elements of the films.

 

Of the three scores, 4 is almost entirely devoid of sadness or even wistfulness. I have a hard time imagining Horner in his Star Trek mode doing that.

 

 

[Andy 7,727]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

Really the most connective tissue between 2 and 3 is Horner  that they take place in outer space in the 23rd Century and neither one is a fish out of water time travel comedy 

 

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

4 is almost entirely devoid of sadness or even wistfulness.

Almost, yes. But you could use the word wistful to describe Rosenman’s motif for Spock.  

 

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

I have a hard time imagining Horner in his Star Trek mode doing that.

I do too. Maybe we would’ve gotten some Cocoon or Batteries Not Included big band. Or maybe some Honey I Shrunk the Whales cartoonish music.  I don’t know. 

[Stark 1,023]

They should've gone off the wall and hired Neal Hefti or Henry Mancini

[Tallguy 7,366]

15 minutes ago, Stark said:

They should've gone off the wall and hired Neal Hefti or Henry Mancini

 

While that would clearly have been amazing, that's not who NImoy was friends with.

[Thor 9,362]

17 hours ago, Tallguy said:

 

Also (going from memory here) weren't Rosenman and Nimoy friends going back decades?

They were. Pertinent sentences edited accordingly.

[Naïve Old Fart 13,020]

If memory serves, Nimoy wanted Rosenman for STAR TREK III, but he was overruled.

[Tallguy 7,366]

EDIT: I'm still pretty crazy....

  

4 hours ago, Thor said:

They were. Pertinent sentences edited accordingly.

 

Thanks, @Thor.

 

New copy:

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In retrospect, this is not a big surprise. Leonard Nimoy and Leonard Rosenman were friends going way back. And in the end, it turned out to be an inspired choice – a fitting challenge approaching the end of his career.

 

[Tom Guernsey 3,859]

I always liked Rosenman's score for TVH, but it's probably the biggest outlier of the original 6 movie scores. The bouncy main theme (that sounds quite a bit like his LOTR main theme) is enjoyable, as is the more lilting waltz like theme. His eerie music for the probe and the time travel sequences is very effective.

 

Much though I love James Horner, I can't imagine he'd have brought anything strikingly new to TVH. For a start, there's only about half an hour of music in the film and a lot of that is pretty incidental. Perhaps Horner would have moved for more music but, assuming it was driven by Leonard Nimoy, there's probably only about 20 minutes of meaningful underscore in the movie (i.e. if you exclude the opening and end credits, and the incidental cues). I expect the end credits would have been a retread of TWOK and TSFS, although I don't know how he'd have squared that in the opening credits with the more light hearted tone than Nimoy was clearly going for. Perhaps a new theme? I can't imagine how he could have adapted the existing material into something more lighthearted.

 

I know people are especially down on the two comedy chase cues, but I always assumed the tone was specifically what Nimoy wanted (I mean he did direct Three Men and a Baby...). I always thought they were a lot of fun to be honest. The only place I'd perhaps miss Horner is the final sequence when they escape from the sinking Klingon ship and save the whales. Rosenman's music for this sequence isn't especially interesting until the waltz like theme appears at the end (and very effective it is too).

[gbatfatf 109]

I’ll take TVH over either Horner score tbh. I’m sure I’m in the minority there, but Horner frustrates me, and Rosenman, however inaccessible, was always learned and interesting.

[Xander Harris 9,672]

They’re all great

[Jill Sandwich 11,164]

The hospital chase music is better than any other Star Trek music.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

The Star Trek IV score is worse than everything.

[Xander Harris 9,672]

Even Cappuccino’s Star Trek score?

[Andy 7,727]

2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

The only place I'd perhaps miss Horner is the final sequence when they escape from the sinking Klingon ship and save the whales. Rosenman's music for this sequence isn't especially interesting until the waltz like theme appears at the end (and very effective it is too).

 

Yes, I'd agree with this. The music for the Bird of Prey sinking and Shatner's underwater toupee flex is admittedly Rosenman on autopilot. And it's a long stretch. It works fine in the film, but it is one spot where Horner could've amped the tension with a pulsing figure like Genesis Countdown, or some Stealing the Enterprise.  BUT, the relief of the Whale Ballad is that much more delightful by contrast.

 

Rosenman totally nails the victory relief music when Kirk and crew are exonerated. The music expresses justice and well earned satisfaction.  And of course the Coming Home cue with the Enterprise-A reveal is brilliant.

[Xander Harris 9,672]

Shatner’s rug was State of the Art. It withstood the underwater sequence.

[Andy 7,727]

It truly is remarkable. You can see scalp and roots as though it's real.

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

 

Yes, I'd agree with this. The music for the Bird of Prey sinking and Shatner's underwater toupee flex is admittedly Rosenman on autopilot. And it's a long stretch. It works fine in the film, but it is one spot where Horner could've amped the tension with a pulsing figure like Genesis Countdown, or some Stealing the Enterprise.  BUT, the relief of the Whale Ballad is that much more delightful by contrast.

 

Rosenman totally nails the victory relief music when Kirk and crew are exonerated. The music expresses justice and well earned satisfaction.  And of course the Coming Home cue with the Enterprise-A reveal is brilliant.

Nah, it's great.

 

EDIT: Oh you are talking about Crash not The Whaler.

[1977 2,134]

2 hours ago, Xander Harris said:

They’re all great

 

I love them all

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

On 13/05/2026 at 5:21 PM, Xander Harris said:

Shatner’s rug was State of the Art. It withstood the underwater sequence.

 

It was the best of what could be accomplished in hair simulation technology at the time.