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Does that mean a rousing discussion on the subject of pegging is possible?

[Quintus 6,494]

The mere thought of putting my pecker into a butchered penis utterly disgusts me.

How unusual.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

We've all stuck our penises in something and regretted it the day after!

[Sharkissimo 1,978]

If being gay means a guy has sex with guys, then transsexuals avoid that label psychologically by claiming to no longer be guys.

Wait, then where does that leave the bisexuals?

My head hurts.

[gkgyver 1,647]

We've all stuck our penises in something and regretted it the day after!

It doesn't take a whole day.

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

Things and terminology were simpler back in the olden days.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

We've all stuck our penises in something and regretted it the day after!

It doesn't take a whole day.

True.

More like, 10 seconds after the orgasm

[Incanus 5,890]

JWFAN

[Brónach 1,330]

Sorry, I went outside to drink so I didn't answer.

Gays are far more easy and loose when it comes to happening into those sorts of scenarios.

I've noticed this too. In general, I mostly notice than in general women-populated, feminist and sex-positive scenarios, where even monogamy and exclusive relationships fall apart, these things happen much more often. It would be ideal if we managed to extend this further than these environments, but that needs dismantling rape culture among other things and it's taking a lot of effort.

Both are gay so whichever tbh.

Yup, although I ignore if you say this due to the correct reason.

I would say many or most transexuals arent gay. There certainly isnt any direct correlation between homosexuality and transexuality as far as I'm aware. Though they are often grouped together as "sexual minorities" (LGBT).

Trans people can have as many different sexual/aesthetic/romantic orientations and combinations of these as cis people do.

I would expect, normally, LGBA trans people to be in a roughly similar proportion as LGBA cis people. We can't actually know this for sure nowadays, due to several overlapping social issues. What little there is in some skewed in a limited study showed a much higher percentage of LGBA people among trans people than among cis people, which surprised me.

And gay guys typically aren't attracted to transsexuals because they don't like the feminine form.

There exist trans men, you know.

So who is attracted to the transsexuals, beside other transsexuals? Straight guys with diverse sexual tastes?

I know you're talking about trans women only.

I've had things with cis women of different orientations, trans women (who were lesbians only) and non binary people.

Physically speaking, a guy is a guy and will be until he dies.

Untrue, but I know cis people with this view don't want to listen to the real biology anyways. They make up reality and pretend to know a lot. I mean, they have privilege, so whatever they say about trans people has to be true!

The mere thought of putting my pecker into a butchered penis utterly disgusts me.

No trans person wants to have sex with you, so you're pretty safe.

Does that mean a rousing discussion on the subject of pegging is possible?

I wish.

Things and terminology were simpler back in the olden days.

Yes, European culture has been for a rough thousands of years were many things were invisibilized and we pretended they didn't exist. Language suits the opressors. As for queer people, we've had lately no chooice but to be like Shakespeare and find and make up words for what we observed and weren't given words by the oppressing mainstream.

Invisibilization is a serious issue. Due to it, (usually adult) people react with vastly ignorant prejudices and violence when they encounter something different. That's why I try to make efforts to reverse this. Not that I have a choice, given that my very existence already does that everyday.

If you people have honest questions about these issues, we can have a chat. I enjoy doing that. A lot of this is actually loads of (invisibilized) philosophy/politics, so I'm not sure the moderators would want me to go into this in the open.

[gkgyver 1,647]

We've all stuck our penises in something and regretted it the day after!

It doesn't take a whole day.

True.

More like, 10 seconds after the orgasm

Or an hour before the orgasm, when she crosses the treshold and you think "might as well".

[Xander Harris 9,673]

Permanently single.

[Mr. Brown 91]

Wow, this one took a fucking nosedive.

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

Sorry, I went outside to drink so I didn't answer.

Gays are far more easy and loose when it comes to happening into those sorts of scenarios.

I've noticed this too. In general, I mostly notice than in general women-populated, feminist and sex-positive scenarios, where even monogamy and exclusive relationships fall apart, these things happen much more often. It would be ideal if we managed to extend this further than these environments, but that needs dismantling rape culture among other things and it's taking a lot of effort.

Both are gay so whichever tbh.

Yup, although I ignore if you say this due to the correct reason.

I would say many or most transexuals arent gay. There certainly isnt any direct correlation between homosexuality and transexuality as far as I'm aware. Though they are often grouped together as "sexual minorities" (LGBT).

Trans people can have as many different sexual/aesthetic/romantic orientations and combinations of these as cis people do.

I would expect, normally, LGBA trans people to be in a roughly similar proportion as LGBA cis people. We can't actually know this for sure nowadays, due to several overlapping social issues. What little there is in some skewed in a limited study showed a much higher percentage of LGBA people among trans people than among cis people, which surprised me.

And gay guys typically aren't attracted to transsexuals because they don't like the feminine form.

There exist trans men, you know.

So who is attracted to the transsexuals, beside other transsexuals? Straight guys with diverse sexual tastes?

I know you're talking about trans women only.

I've had things with cis women of different orientations, trans women (who were lesbians only) and non binary people.

Physically speaking, a guy is a guy and will be until he dies.

Untrue, but I know cis people with this view don't want to listen to the real biology anyways. They make up reality and pretend to know a lot. I mean, they have privilege, so whatever they say about trans people has to be true!

The mere thought of putting my pecker into a butchered penis utterly disgusts me.

No trans person wants to have sex with you, so you're pretty safe.

Does that mean a rousing discussion on the subject of pegging is possible?

I wish.

Things and terminology were simpler back in the olden days.

Yes, European culture has been for a rough thousands of years were many things were invisibilized and we pretended they didn't exist. Language suits the opressors. As for queer people, we've had lately no chooice but to be like Shakespeare and find and make up words for what we observed and weren't given words by the oppressing mainstream.

Invisibilization is a serious issue. Due to it, (usually adult) people react with vastly ignorant prejudices and violence when they encounter something different. That's why I try to make efforts to reverse this. Not that I have a choice, given that my very existence already does that everyday.

If you people have honest questions about these issues, we can have a chat. I enjoy doing that. A lot of this is actually loads of (invisibilized) philosophy/politics, so I'm not sure the moderators would want me to go into this in the open.

Nah I just like plain simple english. Sexy identity stuff gets too convoluted if you think about it too much.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Invisibilization is a serious issue. Due to it, (usually adult) people react with vastly ignorant prejudices and violence when they encounter something different. That's why I try to make efforts to reverse this. Not that I have a choice, given that my very existence already does that everyday.

That's basically bullshit. In Europe, different sexualities are as hip as never before, and the public is as liberal as never before. People accept it. The problem is that the the subject is so present, and it's being shoved down our throats medially with such force that you get the impression it's required to like homosexuality and transsexuals, like they are some kind of heroes. And a good portion of people do. But a lot of people simply don't give a fuck, and they are given the impression they have to make some sort of statement pro trans/homosexuality; and that's where the aggression comes from when they are being confronted with it, because they are like "I don't give a shit, leave me the fuck alone!" It's the old issue of PC bullshit. Nobody has to deal with anything he doesn't want in his life.

And, whether you realise it or not, it irks some people that parades are being thrown for homosexuals/transsexuals, while normal families, who have (!) children and form the backbone, not to mention the majority, of society, not only remain overlooked, but whose family life is progressively made harder, and whose women are hassled when they chose child and/or family over work.

Same shit with feminism. Those hardliner feminist claim they want equality, when in reality, they want to be perceived and accepted as better individuals than men - and than certain women, hence the disgusting notion that aforementioned "family" women are betraying some sort of ideal.

Other sexualities are socially accepted (except with a vast minority of bald assholes). Fighting for it is easy when you have media and politics on your side. The only thing you don't have on your side is nature, so if you want to fight a straight man's natural aversion towards men poking men, or men having their dicks sliced off, then good luck with that.

Fighting for the traditional family, now that is hard these days. So, pardon me if I don't share your queer vision.

Now, it's unavoidable you will say I show no acceptance, but that's bullshit. Acceptance is acceptance, nothing more. I don't mind individuals with different sexualities, I just don't want to be constantly told it's like, totally awesome and the greatest thing ever. It annoys the shit out of many people.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

Gyver, I find it a little off that you turn what is essentially an interesting discussion about transsexual people into a rant about the decay of "traditional families" with some anti-feminism thrown in. What does this all have to do with each other?

Are you trying to get this thread closed?

[Quintus 6,494]

He's such a charmer isn't he! An absolutely delightful chap!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

It's sad actually.

Especially considering media focus on transgender people is incredible narrow and one-sided. as Chaac said, there are "male" transgenders. People who have gone from female to male.. But they don't really feature in media, mainstream or otherwise. (kinda similar to the way homosexuality in the media is represented far more by gay men then by lesbians)

The main issue I have with media coverage of so-called minorities as homosexuals and transgender people is that they are defined only by that one aspect of their nature.. Films and TV shows dealing with gays usually focus on only that one thing. Some for what little films and TV shows there are that deal with transgenders.

Imagine a film starring a hetero sexual male that only deals with him being a hetero sexual. How incredible boring would that be?

This extreme focus of only the characteristic facet of a person, the one thing that sets him or her apart from the "norm" is in part what causes aggravation in people like Gyver, who don't see willing or able to see past that one facet.

Gyver, for someone who says he "doesnt give a fuck" you come across as extremely negative and rude. and a bit too defensive.

as for me, Chaac being a transgender person doesn't change my opinion of her, as far as I even had one. But I do find it interesting to learn a bit more about it, because, as I said. What one sees in the media is so shallow and one sided.

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

Wait... is Chaac a man or a woman?

[Quintus 6,494]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

Does Sean Bean die at the end?

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

"He's a transvestite."

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Quintus 6,494]

He lives!

[Brónach 1,330]

Gyver's answer es nothing I haven't seen before. One could deconstruct the hell out of it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

One could, but one could also have a nice cup of tea and sit outside.

[Brónach 1,330]

Indeed. Classic "somebody's being dumb en the Internet, what to do".

[crocodile 9,724]

I'm going to have that tea, actually.

And it's brilliant outside today.

Karol

[Datameister 2,586]

Indeed. Classic "somebody's being dumb en the Internet, what to do".

[Koray Savas 2,260]

One could, but one could also have a nice cup of tea and sit outside.

This is a good attitude. His post is offensive as hell, but best not to get caught up in it.

[KK 3,313]

Indeed. I think I'll have a cup of tea myself.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

What kind of tea do you prefer? I like Earl Grey, mint and Rooibos.

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Earl Grey, camomile, or regular green. That hibiscus stuff is great too.

[KK 3,313]

Earl Grey is my favourite. Followed by peppermint, cardamom and chamomile. I also really like chai, depending on my mood.

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

One could, but one could also have a nice cup of tea and sit outside.

This is a good attitude. His post is offensive as hell, but best not to get caught up in it.

Indeed. How can anyone not want to celebrate the diverse and beautiful ways that people like to root??

[Quintus 6,494]

Gkgyver is a known cunt, both here and in the real world. He knows this as much as we do. And he's content, so I say leave him be.

[Brónach 1,330]

What kind of tea do you prefer? I like Earl Grey, mint and Rooibos.

I know nothing about tea. I like one that's red, but I don't know the name.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

That's wine!

[Mr. Brown 91]

This very community, unraveling before our eyes.

Now don't you people see what relationships can do?

[Sweeping Strings 3,421]

Tetley's, to chip in on the tea discussion .

[Brónach 1,330]

I forgot this.

It's sad actually.

Especially considering media focus on transgender people is incredible narrow and one-sided. as Chaac said, there are "male" transgenders. People who have gone from female to male.. But they don't really feature in media, mainstream or otherwise. (kinda similar to the way homosexuality in the media is represented far more by gay men then by lesbians)

Yes, this is an issue. Trans people are a threat to a series of mainstream ideas. In a sort of repackaged misoginy (which is the origin of most transphobia), media covberage has centered around ridiculing trans women and pretending trans men don't exist. (PS: better use trans as an adjective)

The main issue I have with media coverage of so-called minorities as homosexuals and transgender people is that they are defined only by that one aspect of their nature.. Films and TV shows dealing with gays usually focus on only that one thing. Some for what little films and TV shows there are that deal with transgenders.

Imagine a film starring a hetero sexual male that only deals with him being a hetero sexual. How incredible boring would that be?

This extreme focus of only the characteristic facet of a person, the one thing that sets him or her apart from the "norm" is in part what causes aggravation in people like Gyver, who don't see willing or able to see past that one facet.

Like they write women defined by an artificial pre-defined feminity, they approach other stuff similarly. Non-whites defined by, that or trans people that aren't seen as people. The extreme of this is that I know people are surprised in real life when they meet me or others see that, hey, I do things, I don't merely stand around being trans.

It'd be interesing to see people that are casually trans in media without it being the main thing going on, like a sort of circus spectacle to cis people. Because that's another thing: most current representations are really weird deformations of reality. Julia Serano has an interesting chapter on this in Whipping Girl.

[Wojo 2,458]

[Brónach 1,330]

That just means you can walk away from the issue without giving a shit!

Horse is far from dead, maybe a couple of centuries.

[Wojo 2,458]

The man isn't beating a dead horse. He's beating a dead furry. A man who went beyond playing make believe, who thought dressing up as a horse would permit him to exist and function in modern society, with all the rights and privileges afforded real horses.

[Brónach 1,330]

I also saw that episode of South Park. But it was with a dolphin, not a horse.

Surely it's more comfy, at this point for you, to ignore all biology and medicine. But if that's the case, sssh, Wojo, don't be like that. Go and hide. You can't win. Many will look at you over the shoulder for saying such dumb things at some point anyway. And you and me know your whole clothing metaphor doesn't have a point. You would attack a trans person no matter what they were wearing, and the hate comes from other places. It's not like we have studied the thought processes of everything you've said, like we haven't documented people like you over and over. At some point it feels repetitive. Like I'm surrounded by arrogant, annoying children screaming around pretending to be smart with their thought games that they believe to be very original.

At some point, arguing with transphobes, MRAs, TErfs and such types reminds me way too much of when I argued with creationists and the like in my teens. It's so similar. If you weren't like this, well, one could take time to show the different fallacies in that little thing you said, and also the very dangerous underlying message. But how can I get to talk to someone who doesn't really see me as a person?

[Jill Sandwich 11,165]

Wait wait. Is a transman a man who has become a woman or a woman who has become a man? Same question for transwoman.

[Wojo 2,458]

Eh, I don't really care.

[Quintus 6,494]

Lol wut

[Sharkissimo 1,978]

Lol wut x2.

I like my women to have pubes, an hourglass figure and not have six packs. But real tits and menstrual cycles? Couldn't care less.

Wait wait. Is a transman a man who has become a woman or a woman who has become a man?

The later, I think.

[Quintus 6,494]

Real boobs are a necessity for me though Sharky. Small or big, don't care as long as they're real.

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A six-pack on a woman isn't a bad thing. You know, provided it's not a steroidy kind....