Man Of Steel (2013 Superman reboot directed by Zack Snyder)

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Man Of Steel is modern and realistic, says Henry Cavill.

Cue bashing from Quint.

[Quintus 6,494]

Why, what's wrong with modern and realistic?

[Red 75]

Superman isn't realistic. Then again, Batman isn't either.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

What about your anti-angst proposition?

[Quintus 6,494]

So angst is the predominant curse of modern times? Damn, explains the rise of the Emo.

[gkgyver 1,647]

For a second, I read rise of the Euro ...

Batman was always more realistic than Superman. The source material at least. The bar for realism in superhero films isn't our reality.

Those film makers can do what they want, a flying guy in red cape and blue underwear whose disguise is a pair of glasses cannot ever be realistic.

[Brónach 1,330]

One thing is realism, and another verisimilitude.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

For a second, I read rise of the Euro ...

Batman was always more realistic than Superman. The source material at least. The bar for realism in superhero films isn't our reality.

Those film makers can do what they want, a flying guy in red cape and blue underwear whose disguise is a pair of glasses cannot ever be realistic.

Batman is not realistic...

[gkgyver 1,647]

Of course it is!

Batman doesn't fly by himself to other planets and isn't able to move them!

Batman is a detective. I'm talking source material. And even when you take the films, Batman is more realistic. Save for the Schumacher crap.

[Xander Harris 9,674]

Will he not fly in this one? Is he still wearing the underwear over his costume?

[A24 5,155]

Outside the fact that they are 'fantastic' heroes, it was Nolan's idea to have 'his' Batman grounded in realism (in relation to the characters, the tone, the style and the themes). He and Snyder are doing the same for Supes, perhaps even more so.

Alex

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[crocodile 9,724]

Will he not fly in this one? Is he still wearing the underwear over his costume?

Yes and no.

Karol

[A24 5,155]

It's deeply layered and complex.

[Wojo 2,458]

the underwear over his costume

It's deeply layered and complex.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Batman is more realistic...

A superhero like him could exist...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

No

[Quintus 6,494]

Lol!

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

it would be a sad imitation of the real thing... but i can see a military-stealth trained and armed/armored individual acting as a vigilante...

sometimes he would have his ass kicked...but also does batman

[Quintus 6,494]

No

[Matt C 605]

Will he not fly in this one? Is he still wearing the underwear over his costume?

He will fly, but no underwear outside his costume.

[stewdog1 50]

Will he not fly in this one? Is he still wearing the underwear over his costume?

He will fly, but no underwear outside his costume.

And that is what they are talking about with it being more modern and realistic. I mean who wears their underwear on the outside of their pants anymore?

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[Wycket 36]

And that the glasses he uses when he is in his Clark Kent costume project an image of a totally different guy, and that will be why people don't recognize him.

I've always thought a good way to explain the glasses thing would be that Supes moves really fast when as Clark and disorientates people so that they never really get a good look at him other than simply an average guy with glasses. I doubt it will be the case in the film, but I wouldn't mind if that was the case.

[The Psycho Pianist 221]

I do hope that HZ dots the rising fifth in occasionally, perhaps subtly over the top of one of his classic 8 minute bassy tracks. Nothing too obvious but something in the way that Desplat included Hedwig's Theme subtly in a couple of tracks in the DH movies.

As for the rest of the music, I expect the eventual soundtrack to be unrecognisable from the Williams fanfare of '78. I can even see Zimmer moving even further into the synth style that he seems to be enjoying at the moment - especially with a contemporary director like Snyder egging him on. I hope Nolan's presence will dissuade this because I really want to hear a proper full orchestral soundtrack from Hans again, WITH A WOODWIND SECTION!

[Jay 46,241]

Dude, I like your screen name

[Matt C 605]

As for the rest of the music, I expect the eventual soundtrack to be unrecognisable from the Williams fanfare of '78. I can even see Zimmer moving even further into the synth style that he seems to be enjoying at the moment - especially with a contemporary director like Snyder egging him on. I hope Nolan's presence will dissuade this because I really want to hear a proper full orchestral soundtrack from Hans again, WITH A WOODWIND SECTION!

Isn't that contrary to what you said just before that? Zimmer wasn't exactly churning out the Second Coming of The Thin Red Line and The Da Vinci Code when he wrote the Nolan Batman scores.

If the usage of "Journey to the Line" in the Comic Con teaser is any indication, Snyder wants Zimmer to do somber and contemplative. Something different than the anonymous background noise for Batman...

[Koray Savas 2,260]

If that's the direction he goes in, we could be in for a real treat.

[Matt C 605]

If that's the direction he goes in, we could be in for a real treat.

Seconded. It'd be refreshing to hear him go back to that... and maybe get a recognizable motif or theme out of it too.

[KK 3,313]

That's pretty much where I'm keeping my hopes in. If the Superman score will take the orchestral Thin Red Line approach, then I look forward to the results.

[Red 75]

it would be a sad imitation of the real thing... but i can see a military-stealth trained and armed/armored individual acting as a vigilante...

sometimes he would have his ass kicked...but also does batman

Anybody who tried to actually do what Batman does would end up in jail or dead within a week. There is no way for a man to really do that even if he is a billionaire with extraordinary means and willpower. And that's not even getting into the fact that most of his arsenal doesn't exist. What Nolan did with his trilogy was essentially a magic trick or illusion; taking something that is totally fictional and making it almost feel like it could be real. But that doesn't make the character or the films realistic.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Pretty much. First of all, that type of crime simply doesn't exist. There's no Joker or Bane or untouchable mobsters in major U.S. cities.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

A serial bomber like The Joker would have been hunted down after his first strike.

Bane is more Osama Bin Laden like, no way anyone like that could actually take over a major city without the US Government being able to do anything.

[A24 5,155]

What Nolan did with his trilogy was essentially a magic trick or illusion; taking something that is totally fictional and making it almost feel like it could be real. But that doesn't make the character or the films realistic.

It's not magic and it's sure is no problem for Nolan. All you need to do is take the typical fantasy out of Batman. To put it simple, you take bullets instead of lasers. And you do this every time and with everything. You chose something that people can associate with the real world (that they recognize) and not with fantasy.

Alex

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

The Nolan Batman films are essentially as realistic as some of the more grounded Bond films.

[A24 5,155]

Nolan loves Bond. Even Inception reminded me of Bond sometimes.

[Brónach 1,330]

I see Nolan's Batman as fantasy anyway. There's lots of stuff like that: from the microwave machine to the bat calling device to Two Face to the Batpod to lots of stuff in the last film, including anything to do with the nuclear reactor.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

Nolan loves Bond. Even Inception reminded me of Bond sometimes.

Yep. That's why most of it is so boring.

[The Psycho Pianist 221]

As for the rest of the music, I expect the eventual soundtrack to be unrecognisable from the Williams fanfare of '78. I can even see Zimmer moving even further into the synth style that he seems to be enjoying at the moment - especially with a contemporary director like Snyder egging him on. I hope Nolan's presence will dissuade this because I really want to hear a proper full orchestral soundtrack from Hans again, WITH A WOODWIND SECTION!

Isn't that contrary to what you said just before that? Zimmer wasn't exactly churning out the Second Coming of The Thin Red Line and The Da Vinci Code when he wrote the Nolan Batman scores.

If the usage of "Journey to the Line" in the Comic Con teaser is any indication, Snyder wants Zimmer to do somber and contemplative. Something different than the anonymous background noise for Batman...

No however I would hope that HZ realises that he cannot go for another Nolan-associated synth score - he's taken it far enough with Inception and now TDKR. He has to take a fresh approach and I certainly hope he can hark back to the days of the Lion King and The Thin Red Line.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

I have faith in Snyder!

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

ga'hoole had a very traditional score... maybe there is hope.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

Ra's Ga'hoole?

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

not the batman character, the owl's movie...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

With the anatomically incorrect looking birds?

[Red 75]

I see Nolan's Batman as fantasy anyway. There's lots of stuff like that: from the microwave machine to the bat calling device to Two Face to the Batpod to lots of stuff in the last film, including anything to do with the nuclear reactor.

It is fantasy, that or science fiction. It's still an inherently fictional idea with fictional elements. Nolan just grounds it all in a way that comparatively feels closer to reality than the previous Batman movies did. This isn't a new idea; Donner did essentially the same thing with Superman. The difference was that had a more lighthearted tone and Superman is a more fantastical character so it cannot be grounded as much.

[A24 5,155]

This isn't a new idea; Donner did essentially the same thing with Superman.

Eh ... Are you sure? Then maybe you should inform Nolan and Snyder that Donner already did what they want to do with Man Of Steel.

It is fantasy,

What?! It's not real?!

[Brónach 1,330]

I just read a pair of tidbits about this film and I'm excited.

I'll have to see Dawn of the Dead before it.

[Delorean90 47]

What tidbits?

[A24 5,155]

He probably read the new rumor that Supes is getting his ass kicked like nobody has ever seen ... and by a woman, no less.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I'd feel more comfortable about this if Zack Snyder had actually made a decent film before but since he hasn't I worry.

[Jay 46,241]

http://io9.com/5943468/rumor-man-of-steel-could-feature-the-most-brutal-superhero-beatdown-ever-filmed