Lincoln FILM Discussion Thread

[Joe Brausam 234]

And as joey225 said, snare drum was one of the two most prominent instruments in those days during the Civil War. Thats not something that makes one excited.

What, does a snare drum-heavy score excite you?

I could see this score going one of three ways...

1. Snare drum/fife-heavy score hearkening back to civil war army bands and such.

2. Patriot/JFK/Rosewood-esque.

3. Something like James Horner's Glory.

I'm hoping for #2, but we'll see..

[MSM 194]

Snare drum is my favorite instrument, after hang, xun, shakuhachi and setar.

[Datameister 2,586]

What, does a snare drum-heavy score excite you?

If it's well-written, yes...

[Richard P 5,302]

Slate away, but I'm not particularly excited about this.

I'm not going to jump the gun or anything, since we don't know what style or instrumentation it will be, but Williams' low key efforts lately (Minority Report, parts of KotCS, WotW) haven't really done much for me.

I'm sure Williams will love it, and technically it will be exceptional, but emotionally? I'll wait for the sound clips.

[King Mark 3,975]

The main theme will probably be something similar to the first minute of Air and Simple Gifts

Yes,that's exactly how it will sound...mark my words

[crocodile 9,724]

Is Tim Morrison already listed as a soloist? If not, he will be eventually. <_<

Karol

[Koray Savas 2,260]

The main theme will probably be something similar to the first minute of Air and Simple Gifts

Yes,that's exactly how it will sound...mark my words

I'll be happy if he puts out something along the lines of Rosewood.

[Neimoidian 15]

What if it's going to be a piano-driven score? I believe it was a popular instrument back then too and Williams might want to write something fresh instead of his typical horn + trumpet Americana.

[publicist 4,650]

What if it's going to be a piano-driven score? I believe it was a popular instrument back then too and Williams might want to write something fresh instead of his typical horn + trumpet Americana.

Oh, those fresh piano driven Williams scores...

I'd like to keep him away from those somber dramas for a while. The musical palette is so predictable, the already mentioned honored colleague from whatever soloistic department included.

[A24 5,155]

In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.

Alex

[Neimoidian 15]

What if it's going to be a piano-driven score? I believe it was a popular instrument back then too and Williams might want to write something fresh instead of his typical horn + trumpet Americana.

Oh, those fresh piano driven Williams scores...

I'd like to keep him away from those somber dramas for a while. The musical palette is so predictable, the already mentioned honored colleague from whatever soloistic department included.

After 50 years in the business, Williams has become predictable to certain extent (not only in somber dramas, but especially in his adventure scores - vide KotCS). I see no reason, however, to discard his upcoming score when there is not a single note written so far.

[Incanus 5,890]

In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.

Alex

Most of the MB members would say a collective MEH!!! and denounce and forget the project if something like that was announced.

Personally I am very much anticipating the Lincoln score. The historical period and the character offer great musical and dramatic possibilities.

[A24 5,155]

In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.

Most of the MB members would say a collective MEH!!! and denounce and forget the project if something like that was announced.

I know. Most JW fans are, let's say, quite conservative when it comes to film music.

Personally I am very much anticipating the Lincoln score. The historical period and the character offer great musical and dramatic possibilities.

But sadly, it's going to be nothing new under the sun. Most people won't even notice this score when they are going to see this movie. Really, I wonder if I truly need just another JW score. I wish Spielberg and Williams had the balls to take more musical risks.

Alex

[Richard P 5,302]

In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.

Alex

Most of the MB members would say a collective MEH!!! and denounce and forget the project if something like that was announced.

Personally I am very much anticipating the Lincoln score. The historical period and the character offer great musical and dramatic possibilities.

Count me as one of those 'mehhhh'-ers. Gifts was nice, but got too frenetic for me and isn't something I'd normally listen to.

I'll anticipate it, but I'm reserving any real hype until we hear some sound clips that make us go scavenging for OST leaks

[A24 5,155]

Count me as one of those 'mehhhh'-ers.

I would've been surprised if you weren't one of them.

[Taikomochi 1,460]

On the subject of winning an Oscar, I just like to imagine what I'd be like when they call his name. It would be such a sweet moment. I'd be jumping for joy.

[Red 75]

On the subject of winning an Oscar, I just like to imagine what I'd be like when they call his name. It would be such a sweet moment. I'd be jumping for joy.

Even if it was for an undeserving score? How fanboyish of you.

[Richard P 5,302]

Indeed. I'm looking forward to the very real prospect of Thomas Newman getting his first oscar for that song from Wall-E, but if he does, there will always be that nagging thought that it wasn't for his actual scoring talents, but for a song that I don't think is really that great (I'm assuming he won't win for the score).

[hornist 1,261]

In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.

Alex

I think that would be nice. It is still one of the finest musical groups.

I am done with all these americana horn/trumpet scores(as much I like the brilliant performers).

Please , John , give us something different!

[Henry B 51]

Indeed.

[indy4 160]

Honestly, I don't even think that SL deserved to win. My vote would have gone to Elfman's The Nightmare Before Christmas.

JP should have been nominated as its a better score than SL.

I agree, but Nightmare was better than both.

[Nick Parker 3,049]

The harpsichord was pretty popular then, maybe he will write for that....

[Henry B 51]

The harpsichord was nearly irrelevant then.

[Joe Brausam 234]

Especially in America.

[Nick Parker 3,049]

I was commenting on all of the speculation around a score we know nothing about, except that it is for a film entitled Lincoln. Perhaps I should have said "the kazoo" to make it more obvious....

[Williamsfan301 12]

The harpsichord was nearly irrelevant then.

irrelevant? It was obsolete.

Piano was big...this is shortly before Stephen Fosters death. They were publishing piano music by the barrelful by now.

If anything, though, JW will probably go with the African American Spiritual sound, I'm thinking. Or the solo violin....

[Hunter 0]

The harpsichord was nearly irrelevant then.

irrelevant? It was obsolete.

Piano was big...this is shortly before Stephen Fosters death. They were publishing piano music by the barrelful by now.

If anything, though, JW will probably go with the African American Spiritual sound, I'm thinking. Or the solo violin....

A solo violin would be very nice to have, in my opinion. If Williams were to do that he probably would offer Perlman the solo. They always collaborate nicely together.

[Richard P 5,302]

Solo violin works

I can picture it now... Lincoln's Theme. And Lincoln's Theme Reprise at the end of the album.

[Neimoidian 15]

I'd rather have someone else than Perlman. Not that I have something against him, but his play has very distinct sound and I'd like Lincoln score sound differently, unlike SL or Chairman's Waltz.

[Richard P 5,302]

Maybe Joshua Bell or Hilary Hahn. Both have worked with JNH recently and seem to be at the top of their game.

[King Mark 3,975]

Actually,please no solo violin or cello...

we already have too many of these

[MSM 194]

I want snare drums, lots of brass and rousing themes!

[Williamsfan301 12]

Maybe Joshua Bell or Hilary Hahn. Both have worked with JNH recently and seem to be at the top of their game.

Joshua Bell has done several concerts with JW. I'm sure he'd be on the short list.

[King Mark 3,975]

I want snare drums, lots of brass and rousing themes!

me too,and I'm not kidding

[Henry B 51]

I don't think Spielberg's intended audience is eight-year-old boys.

[A24 5,155]

What's the deal with film music fans and lots of heroic brass and military snares? 9 out of 10 soundtracks are like that. Put on the television and there is that sound again: breaking trombones, enormous taiko hits, piatti slams, rapid tom tom beats ... and all we see is a pedestrian show where a nerd has to choose between two bimbos.

Alex

[Hitch 60]

Solo violin works

I can picture it now... Lincoln's Theme. And Lincoln's Theme Reprise at the end of the album.

The Assassination will be before Lincoln's Theme Reprise

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

What's the deal with film music fans and lots of heroic brass and military snares? 9 out of 10 soundtracks are like that. Put on the television and there is that sound again: breaking trombones, enormous taiko hits, piatti slams, rapid tom tom beats ... and all we see is a pedestrian show where a nerd has to choose between two bimbos.

Alex

That type of show needs that music to pretend that what you are seeing on screen is exciting and dramatic.

[Quintus 6,494]

A bit like this highly anticipated videogame trailer music. 1:24 secs onwards I mean.

Does a good job at making what will likely be a great game seem very exciting. Check out the Williams style brass and woodwinds

[A24 5,155]

What's the deal with film music fans and lots of heroic brass and military snares? 9 out of 10 soundtracks are like that. Put on the television and there is that sound again: breaking trombones, enormous taiko hits, piatti slams, rapid tom tom beats ... and all we see is a pedestrian show where a nerd has to choose between two bimbos.

Alex

That type of show needs that music to pretend that what you are seeing on screen is exciting and dramatic.

Yes, but what I mean is that we are literally surrounded by this type of film music. How can anyone still be seduced by it? It's so omnipresent. Overused, really.

Alex

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

People prefer to hear things that are familiar to them, rather then something that is new and possible a bit more challenging.

[Bowie 48]

Maybe it's time Williams shows all these composers how to do the "cliché" properly, and with style.

[Williamsfan301 12]

enormous taiko hits

I'm so tired of taiko drums. Just because they exist, doesn't mean they need to be used in every war scene

piatti slams

I had those at an Italian restaurant once. Boy they were good with some Gorgonzola on them...

[Nick Parker 3,049]

A bit like this highly anticipated videogame trailer music. 1:24 secs onwards I mean.

Does a good job at making what will likely be a great game seem very exciting. Check out the Williams style brass and woodwinds

I am so excited for that game! I loved the Resident Evil games since way before I should have. I remember sneaking in the middle of the night to play Resident Evil 2 when I was five...scared the living daylights out of me. I am excited for the orchestral score, especially given the orchestra performing it, but I am a little anxious given the composer's (lack of) "track record". Ah well, everyone has to start somewhere.

EDIT: I would like to apologize to the moderators for my overly long signature, and I will keep in mind to not use something that big again.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

I'm over Resident Evil. I was a fan back when the first came out. The franchise lost it and the games just started getting bad. I played the RE5 demo and turned it off after 2 minutes. Horrible controls, stupid overly muscular characters, and an over-the-shoulder view. It turned into an action game, which is not what it's supposed to be.

[Nick Parker 3,049]

Well, it was just a demo. I would imagine that the game developers would make improvements between whenever this demo was released and the actual release date.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

They're not gonna change the camera view, controls, or content of the game between the release of the demo and the game

Demos show basically finished products. I've never seen a case where major changes were made. They usually just touch up graphics maybe, fix some bugs or glitches etc.

[Nick Parker 3,049]

Probably not.

Well, in a effort to bring things back to topic... there is not much we can discuss about this score, is there?

[Richard P 5,302]

Solo violin works

I can picture it now... Lincoln's Theme. And Lincoln's Theme Reprise at the end of the album.

The Assassination will be before Lincoln's Theme Reprise

Correction, The Assassination Scene

[Incanus 5,890]

Having just listened to the Air and Simple Gifts again I think writing a score for Lincoln and using a quartet of this kind would be a great challenge for Williams. And I am sure he could get such a quartet of high profile musicians in on the project.

Air and Simple Gifts

The "Air" melody sounds something that would be a spot on theme for Lincoln. And even with the quartet, without the brassy fanfares or woodwind flurries the music sounds very impressive.