The Adventures of Tintin MUSIC Discussion thread

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Why would Shore do a Tintin score anyway?PJ only uses him for Middle Earth.

[Incanus 5,890]

You never know with PJ. His musical collaborations have been quite varied. Think about a Shore scored Tintin with layers and layers of themes and ideas as Shore explores the full depths of the characters and the deep psychological underpinnings of Haddock's alcoholism and the dark side of Tintin. Rising Chords of Dooooommm!!!!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

That would sound appaling.

Why doesn't PJ use, i dunno.....John williams?

[Incanus 5,890]

We can certainly hope he does and if Williams is still composing. Wouldn't the sequel come out in 2014 or 2015 the earliest?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

I can see red Reckham's theme becoming the theme for the franchise, because it's so RCP-like.

[publicist 4,650]

If the movie's a hit, they sure don't suffer shortage of sequel scripts. It will be interesting to see if they say Fuck You to Williams' style like they did with POTTER, or if the following composers will honor it.

[Maurizio 6,913]

Spielberg's liner notes message is up on the main page now too

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=1376

Spielberg's liner notes are really lovely. It's great to see his passion for JW and his music.

Oh, and I'm sure that when he writes he loves to listen to the score in his car and on his iPhone, he means the complete recording sessions

The low string ostinati have forever been tarnished by RCP composers. Woe the film composers!

I take those chords over hectic WHIRL AT ACADEME writing any day!

For me, it's the exact opposite!

[publicist 4,650]

Spielberg's liner notes message is up on the main page now too

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=1376

Spielberg's liner notes are really lovely. It's great to see his passion for JW and his music.

Oh, and I'm sure that when he writes he loves to listen to the score in his car and on his iPhone, he means the complete recording sessions

The low string ostinati have forever been tarnished by RCP composers. Woe the film composers!

I take those chords over hectic WHIRL AT ACADEME writing any day!

For me, it's the exact opposite!

You are insane!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Indeed!

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

Oh, and I'm sure that when he writes he loves to listen to the score in his car and on his iPhone, he means the complete recording sessions

I want that phone....

[Jilal 681]

Here are the notes for 13 Presenting Bianca Castafiore:

Includes excerpts from "Rosina's Cavatina" from The Barber of Seville by Gioachino Rossini and "Je Veux Vivre" from Romeo et Juliette by Charles Gounod.

[Maurizio 6,913]

A small trivia:

In the film's end credits, Eddie Karam is credited as the only orchestrator. It's known for sure Conrad Pope contributed as well. Strange.

[Jay 46,243]

Here are the notes for 13 Presenting Bianca Castafiore:

Includes excerpts from "Rosina's Cavatina" from The Barber of Seville by Gioachino Rossini and "Je Veux Vivre" from Romeo et Juliette by Charles Gounod.

Are you saying that is a direct quote from the booklet, or are you just letting us know that information on your own? Cause I noted all that in my original review of the CD on the main page weeks ago

[Muad'Dib 2,059]

A small trivia:

In the film's end credits, Eddie Karam is credited as the only orchestrator. It's known for sure Conrad Pope contributed as well. Strange.

If I'm not mistaken, Pope mainly arranged the opening and closing tracks, according to his descriptions. Maybe that's why he isn't credited?

[Jilal 681]

A small trivia:

In the film's end credits, Eddie Karam is credited as the only orchestrator. It's known for sure Conrad Pope contributed as well. Strange.

Yes, i noticed that too.

[Josh500 1,620]

If I'm not mistaken, Pope mainly arranged the opening and closing tracks, according to his descriptions. Maybe that's why he isn't credited?

The closing tracks?

You mean the concert arrangements? Except these concert arrangements are based on the actual cues, so...

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

I was just going to comment on this.

I think Pope may have orchestrated the early sessions, and this eddie karam got to orchestrate the finished cues.

Maybe pope was not available, he is not credited because the film cues are mostly revised ones...

EDIT: i m really digging this score more with each listen.

I really love 'the adventures of tintin'

[Brónach 1,330]

I constantly see this score being called "weak" by people who's seen the film on several sites.

I don't understand...

[Hlao-roo 390]

I constantly see this score being called "weak" by people who's seen the film on several sites.

I don't understand...

The score lacks Zimmerian muscularity.

[Jilal 681]

Maybe Pope was busy with DHp2?

[Josh500 1,620]

EDIT: i m really digging this score more with each listen.

Same here.

I really love 'the adventures of tintin'

Me too. Ever since I saw the movie, this has become one of my favorite tracks! Now I understand what it "means."

[crocodile 9,724]

I constantly see this score being called "weak" by people who's seen the film on several sites.

I don't understand...

Link? Or, better yet, exact location? Napalm drop is due!

I was just going to comment on this.

I think Pope may have orchestrated the early sessions, and this eddie karam got to orchestrate the finished cues.

Maybe pope was not available, he is not credited because the film cues are mostly revised ones...

EDIT: i m really digging this score more with each listen.

I really love 'the adventures of tintin'

He doesn't always get a credit. I think he once said he's done much much work for other composers than he's given credit for. It's the same as with screenwriters, I think.

Karol

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

but that means he was not the main orchestrator as we thought.

I'm sure he gets his credit when he is the main one.

[Jilal 681]

he orchestrated Tinker-Tin*.

John Williams and cue names... Tinker-Tin?

* The Adventures of Tintin (ost 1)

This movie has changed alot since it's filming.

"Sir Francis and the Unicorn" (Old Enemies Meet) was originally meant to accompany a confrontation between Francis and Red Rackham.

The scene was revised and so was the music.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Sir Francis and the Unicorn scores a confrontatio between sirf francis and recd rackham... and the are old enemies that meet.

There is a second vision later where the confrontation gets personal. Scored with the same theme.

What do you mean?

[Jilal 681]

The first version of Sir Francis and the Unicorn (Old Enemies Meet) scores a personal confrontation.

But also Tintin... Maybe the original visions were more like in the books (constantly swapping from Haddock to Francis shots).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

What is the source of your information?

[Jilal 681]

The source is not important, the information is.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

We must have the source, so we can judge the validity of this information.

I am Emperor of JWFAN, you cannot refuse me!

[crocodile 9,724]

He can:

Karol

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

the resemblance is striking.

Really i'm starting to think more that cuesheets are 'out there'.

the sheer ammount of information and detail is more of what a normal person should read in some musical notes and notations...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

I have long since suspected that certain members have gotten hold of the first recording sessions JW did for Tintin in 2009 or 2010. For some reason they are hoarding it.

[Incanus 5,890]

I have long since suspected that certain members have gotten hold of the first recording sessions JW did for Tintin in 2009 or 2010. For some reason they are hoarding it.

The sheet music for some or all (I have no exact information) of the first recording sessions leaked a good while back. Some people who can read music are making educated guesses based on that material I think.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

No it has to be more.

[Jilal 681]

...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

How does sheet music tell you about exact changes in the film?

[Salacius 7]

I constantly see this score being called "weak" by people who's seen the film on several sites.

I don't understand...

Let me see, it doesn't contain the following chords: Am,F,C,E. Also no taiko drums and super bass synths...yeap, it's weak

[Jilal 681]

How does sheet music tell you about exact changes in the film?

...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

YOU MUST DISCLOSE THE INFORMATION!

[ChrisAfonso 237]

How does sheet music tell you about exact changes in the film?

I don't know if you have seen any Williams sketches, but he writes notes about what's happening above the music (for syncing purposes), so it's possible to get a rough idea about the scene, the characters who appear etc. from those.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

Cool. Like little post it notes?

[Jay 46,243]

John Williams will take sketch paper and note along the top what happens at certains moments during the say 1 minute and 52 second scene he is scoring. The notes may be something like 'Captain "freaks"', 'Cut to deck', '"To The Death, Red Rackam"!', 'Haddock Is Struck', 'Captains Has Vision', etc. The he will write music that corresponds to the notes so it will fit into the film.

For example, here is the start of Williams' sketch for 1m3/2m1 Luke's Escape from TESB:

[gkgyver 1,647]

Another influence is Pirates of the caribean.

Red Reckhams theme is very Media Ventures!

didn't I say that a while back?

I can see red Reckham's theme becoming the theme for the franchise, because it's so RCP-like.

That's quite funny. Not 6 months ago I made a poll asking if Williams will ever have his style affected by Remote Control, and the consensus was "no, he's John bloody Williams".

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20366&hl=%2Bjohn+%2Bwilliams+%2Bremote+%2Bcontrol&fromsearch=1

"No, he only works for Spielberg".

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Why the secrecy?

This is not potential money loss for any companies, isnt it?

Nobody sells Williams manuscript copies.

[Jilal 681]

Conrad Pope said this a whole while back (august 2009):

The main scoring sessions are off in February 2010.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

yep, that explains it all.

BTW, thank god i cant read music, i would be very upset otherwise...

At least i hope you guys are trying to exchange it with indy IV or COS or something similar....

[filmmusic 3,269]

Why the secrecy?

This is not potential money loss for any companies, isnt it?

Nobody sells Williams manuscript copies.

Sorry? What do you mean?

Why Williams handwritten scores aren't available for free or purchase out there?

i think it's one way to control the public performances of the original pieces.

And also, unfortunately some people do sell them .

The copy of Empire strikes back sketches appeared originally in ebay by someone who sold it..

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386]

yep, that explains it all.

BTW, thank god i cant read music, i would be very upset otherwise...

At least i hope you guys are trying to exchange it with indy IV or COS or something similar....

I'm sure people here don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The trading or selling of such things would be against all applicable copyright laws, no one here would engage in such criminal activities.

[Luke Skywalker 2,383]

Sorry? What do you mean?

Why Williams handwritten scores aren't available for free or purchase out there?

i think it's one way to control the public performances of the original pieces.

You have to work with williams to understand and transcribe his sketches to full orchestra, i think. I said handwritten, BTW, not officially presed books with legible presentation.

I mean williams sketches leking does not rob Hal leonard any money, i think.

And yes is such a great crime that an orchestra divulge music from film playing in concerts... I dont think nobody would play the whole score without permission (or with it). Just the commercially available concert version, which are the ones suited for concert appealing.

And also, unfortunately some people do sell them .

The copy of Empire strikes back sketches appeared originally in ebay by someone who sold it..

If it was available...nobody would sell/buy it...

yep, that explains it all.

BTW, thank god i cant read music, i would be very upset otherwise...

At least i hope you guys are trying to exchange it with indy IV or COS or something similar....

I'm sure people here don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The trading or selling of such things would be against all applicable copyright laws, no one here would engage in such criminal activities.

I was speaking about collecotr cards...

Did anydoby here actually openly talked about cuesheets? neither did I, on that post...

[Muad'Dib 2,059]

I'm sure we'll hear some mock-ups of the orginial stuff that didn't make into the film once Jason has seen the film...

Right?