The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

I want 'extreme makeover' done in the OT, to resemble original lucas vision :cool:

as long as the Original OT is released in Anamorphic Widescreen Blue-Ray disc

[Red 75]

Does that mean that he thinks the Prequels are better than the OT?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Yes.

[John Crichton 4]

I think it's been proven by now that CG character animation is much better when modeled to a real actor (Gollum, Davy Jones) than animated from scratch.

[Ollie 1,375]

I want 'extreme makeover' done in the OT, to resemble original lucas vision :cool:

as long as the Original OT is released in Anamorphic Widescreen Blue-Ray disc

You don't deserve that user name.

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

I thought this thread was about The Hobbit.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

I want 'extreme makeover' done in the OT, to resemble original lucas vision :cool:

as long as the Original OT is released in Anamorphic Widescreen Blue-Ray disc

You don't deserve that user name.

Yeah...sorry for the second line i suppose. :cool:

[Vaderbait1 1]

I agree about the overabundance of poor CGI or unrealistic landscapes, but come on, Gollum better than Jar Jar? As a visual effect, Jar Jar was amazingly realistic. Sure, there were some bad shots, but overall he was amazingly rendered. Gollum looked okay, but let's face it, like the rest of WETA's effects, he looked off color and pasted on.

[Ollie 1,375]

Gollum was much more realistic than Goofy-Goofy. I think WETA's off colored effects add a little more realism than some of ILM's.

The prequels had too much CGI, too colorful at times and it comes across as cartoonish.

Plus it helps to have a talented actor who is performing the motion capture.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

The prequels had too much CGI, too colorful at times and it comes across as cartoonish.

If you let me, i'll quote Joe.

Bullsh**!

I have yet to see a movie as 'trigger-happy' with color filters as LOTR.

Both have it high and low points

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

I'm not that impressed with the CGI in the prequels because they are so dramatically overreaching, their appeal to our sympathies so strained, that they end up putting us in a defensive posture; we find ourselves continually on guard against their assaults on our intelligence.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

With that reasonement, most Goldsmith scores should be crap

And they arent.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Let's just say I'm mostly unimpressed by many of the groundbreaking special effects in the prequels because they are presented to us a groundbreaking effects. I'm sure scenes were written around them so we would be able to enjoy the technological amazingness of what Lucasfilm has once again brilliantly achieved.

The prequels feel too much like a circus, were we are invited to awe at the liontamers and trapeze artists and the fireeaters.

But I prefer the circus to the Prequels because unlike a film, the circus doesn't really require a plot, proper developed narrative and characters with some depth.

[Mr. Breathmask 624]

Let's just say I'm mostly unimpressed by many of the groundbreaking special effects in the prequels because they are presented to us a groundbreaking effects.

Exactly. It's been like that since TPM and it seems to be the main reason for the prequels' overreliance on CGI.

[Red 75]

Yes.

The man's clearly insane.

[Ollie 1,375]

To me the prequels and their over use of CGI is more of Lucas's way of saying "Look what I can do!!!"

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Exactly.

[Mr. Breathmask 624]

That's what I said.

[Ollie 1,375]

Sorry.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

Indeed!

[Elmo Lewis 7]

With that reasonement, most Goldsmith scores should be crap

And they arent.

I'm confused.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

I didn't eveb bother to comprehend that statement.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

With that reasonement, most Goldsmith scores should be crap

And they arent.

I'm confused.

I didn't eveb bother to comprehend that statement.

Come on it was not that difficult.

You say the Prequels CGI does nothing for you, that you dont see it objectively because the movies are dull and awful in its sotry, characters, performances, etc.

With that reasonement, i say, (too) many movies that Goldsmith scored were crap, so the music should do nothing for you or you should have not interest in it, or dont think they are good. Yet, you enjoy those scores objectively, isolated from the movie.

[Ollie 1,375]

A big difference there. Alot of the characters are CGI and they are performing. The music can be seperated from film and viewed/listened to without the film obstructing it.

I don't think anyone is saying ILM sucks, it's just that there's too much CGI and not enough real sets, actors etc etc etc.

[John Crichton 4]

Most of the background work and "traditional" type of effects (spaceships, etc) work for me, much improved too in RotS since they got some plates from real life locations. It's the CG characters that lose me. The Clone Troopers in particular are...bad.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,110]

No ILM does suck. They shut down their models department.

[Elmo Lewis 7]

With that reasonement, i say, (too) many movies that Goldsmith scored were crap, so the music should do nothing for you or you should have not interest in it, or dont think they are good. Yet, you enjoy those scores objectively, isolated from the movie.

Your reasoning is peculiar, to say the least. If Goldsmith employed his music as poorly as CGI is employed in the Prequels, I bet you would hear complaints.

Of course, comparing CGI effects to music is something new to me.

[Richard P 5,303]

Most of the background work and "traditional" type of effects (spaceships, etc) work for me, much improved too in RotS since they got some plates from real life locations. It's the CG characters that lose me. The Clone Troopers in particular are...bad.

I've never understood quite why they can make a CG dinosaur so good it's totally indistinguishable from a mechanical one, yet whenever it comes to making something even remotely human-like, it just doesn't look realistic. I guess it could be that our impressions of how a dinosaur should move are based initially on CG, but even so, it just has that something.

And what I admire about PJ far more than Lucas, is he always seems to choose mini/big-atures over CH if it's possible. Having said that, I wasn't completely won over by some of the horses in the Minas Tirith siege.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

I've never understood quite why they can make a CG dinosaur so good it's totally indistinguishable from a mechanical one, yet whenever it comes to making something even remotely human-like, it just doesn't look realistic. I guess it could be that our impressions of how a dinosaur should move are based initially on CG, but even so, it just has that something.

The mecha-dinosaurs in JP are fairly noticeable from the CGI ones. The latter IMO being better....

Isnt davy jones human-like enough?

And what I admire about PJ far more than Lucas, is he always seems to choose mini/big-atures over CH if it's possible. Having said that, I wasn't completely won over by some of the horses in the Minas Tirith siege.

Sorry, most of those miniatures/models look like 'noticeable CGI'

And yes those CGI horses are bullshit.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Oh no, I sense another PJ vs. Lucas coming.

Stop, before it's too late ... stop, me begs yer!

[Jeshopk 8]

Oh no, I sense another PJ vs. Lucas coming.Stop, before it's too late ... stop, me begs yer!

"I will not condone a course of action that will lead us to war"

Most of the background work and "traditional" type of effects (spaceships, etc) work for me, much improved too in RotS since they got some plates from real life locations. It's the CG characters that lose me. The Clone Troopers in particular are...bad.

A shame, since stormtroopers are so cool. Still, there are some awesome shots of clones, such as the ones who accompany Palpatine to Mustaphar.

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

Oh no, I sense another PJ vs. Lucas coming.Stop, before it's too late ... stop, me begs yer!

"I will not condone a course of action that will lead us to war"

Most of the background work and "traditional" type of effects (spaceships, etc) work for me, much improved too in RotS since they got some plates from real life locations. It's the CG characters that lose me. The Clone Troopers in particular are...bad.

A shame, since stormtroopers are so cool. Still, there are some awesome shots of clones, such as the ones who accompany Palpatine to Mustaphar.

Or the ones that talk to Bail Organa

[standbyfax 0]

From: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40300

Peter Jackson to Produce The Hobbit and Sequel!

Source: New Line Cinema

December 18, 2007

Academy Award-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson; Harry Sloan, Chairman and CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (MGM); Bob Shaye and Michael Lynne, Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs of New Line Cinema have jointly announced today that they have entered into the following series of agreements:

* MGM and New Line will co-finance and co-distribute two films, The Hobbit and a sequel to The Hobbit. New Line will distribute in North America and MGM will distribute internationally.

* Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will serve as Executive Producers of two films based on The Hobbit. New Line will manage the production of the films, which will be shot simultaneously.

* Peter Jackson and New Line have settled all litigation relating to the "Lord of the Rings" (LOTR) Trilogy.

Said Peter Jackson, "I'm very pleased that we've been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line. 'The Lord of the Rings' is a legacy we proudly share with Bob and Michael, and together, we share that legacy with millions of loyal fans all over the world. We are delighted to continue our journey through Middle Earth. I also want to thank Harry Sloan and our new friends at MGM for helping us find the common ground necessary to continue that journey."

"Peter Jackson has proven himself as the filmmaker who can bring the extraordinary imagination of Tolkien to life and we full heartedly agree with the fans worldwide who know he should be making 'The Hobbit,'" said Sloan, MGM's Chairman and CEO. "Now that we are all in agreement on 'The Hobbit,' we can focus on assembling the production team that will capture this phenomenal tale on film."

Bob Shaye, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO comments, "We are very pleased we have been able to resolve our differences, and that Peter and Fran will be actively and creatively involved with 'The Hobbit' movies. We know they will bring the same passion, care and talent to these films that they so ably accomplished with 'The Lord of the Rings' Trilogy."

"Peter is a visionary filmmaker, and he broke new ground with 'The Lord of the Rings,'" notes Michael Lynne, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO. "We're delighted he's back for 'The Hobbit' films and that the Tolkien saga will continue with his imprint. We greatly appreciate the efforts of Harry Sloan, who has been instrumental in helping us reach our new accord."

The two "Hobbit" films – The Hobbit and its sequel – are scheduled to be shot simultaneously, with pre-production beginning as soon as possible. Principal photography is tentatively set for a 2009 start, with the intention of The Hobbit release slated for 2010 and its sequel the following year, in 2011.

The Oscar-winning, critically-acclaimed LOTR Trilogy grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box-office. In 2003, "Return of the King" swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the eleven categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture – the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The Trilogy's production was also unprecedented at the time.

For more information about "The Hobbit" films, please visit TheHobbitBlog.com.

[Ollie 1,375]

So...is Jackson going to direct as well?

If so this is great news.

[Morlock 12]

Yes, they seemed to skip over the part of who is actually making the film.

[Henry B 51]

Did I read correctly that The Hobbit will be broken up into two films? Given its length and simplicity, it really doesn't need to be. This is still cool, though.

[gkgyver 1,647]

GET - HOWARD - SHORE

Rest is irrelevant.

[standbyfax 0]

Yeah, I'm not sure about the director. Either Jackson will just produce or they simply haven't formally announced he's directing it yet...

Even if he doesn't direct, as executive produce he'll have a lot of say who gets it and have a big input on the entire production.

[Ollie 1,375]

As long as they bring back Howard Shore and Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf I'll be happy.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Let's count down until someone craps all over this.

[Morlock 12]

This is a fine thread....FOR ME TO POOP ON!

[Ollie 1,375]

Well according to the news I just heard on NPR radio, Jackson will only be producing and not directing any of the films.

Bummer......

[QMM 4]

Did I read correctly that The Hobbit will be broken up into two films? Given its length and simplicity, it really doesn't need to be. This is still cool, though.

No, one film is the Hobbit, the other bridges the gap between Hobbit and LOTR

[Quintus 6,497]

Sam Raimi is seriously being touted for this and I for one believe him to be a very bad choice, after the lackluster Spiderman movies. Apart from the Evil Dead films, Raimi has not made any truly great films.

I'm hoping and praying that PJ returns as director, though methinks that is wishful thinking, but still...

Other than Jackson? Steven Spielberg of course! Yeah right, like he would work for Jacko. Having said that, the Spiels seems perfectly happy to work for George Lucas, who's talents trail waaaay behind those of PJ and his writing team, so who knows...

[Morlock 12]

Raimi made A Simple Plan, which is a great film, and easily his best.

[Quintus 6,497]

You are vastly incorrect, any self respecting Raimi critic and fan would tell you that Evil Dead 2 stands head and shoulders above his other movies. In fact what you just said would be considered blasphemous in certain circles.

[Morlock 12]

Yes, circles I do not mind being excluded from.

[Quintus 6,497]

With a silly opinon like the one above you wouldn't never be offered 'membership' anyway. Not that you will lose much sleep over it of course.

[Morlock 12]

Meh, cult followings of 80's movies.

[Quintus 6,497]

Tell me about it...