Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek The Motion Picture - 2012 La La Land 3CD (and now: 2LP)

[Maglorfin 219]

Finally ordered!

Me too, just yesterday! But they're gonna keep us waiting now, it'll be 2-3 weeks before LLL gets it in stock again, and then further 2-3 weeks before it reaches me here in Europe ... If I receive it by mid-July I guess I'll be happy ...

[JoeinAR 1,957]

well mine might arrive today, but I'm not betting on it, maybe tomorrow.

[Trent Hoyt 13]

Ya, I was going to order it from MovieMusic but I figured LaLa Land would be a little quicker. We still gotta wait though. I can't wait to rip this one open!

[pixie_twinkle 60]

My copy arrived today!

I haven't had the chance to listen yet. Did anybody else get an insert in a little cardboard envelope? It looks like something that should have an autograph on it, but of course does not.

Read the spine of the copy you got carefully, then compare to the reprinted version you got in the envelope

I don't see a difference.

Oh. Never mind I see it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

That's NOT a printer's error Btw!

[pixie_twinkle 60]

So which Star Trek scores still need an expanded release now? Am I right in thinking only Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis need expanded scores?

[Admiral Holdo 16]

You could argue Trek '09 needs another pass, but yeah, that's it.

[OneBuckFilms 517]

That about sums it up.

The first 6 are now out there complete, something I encourage all of us to celebrate and appreciate.

10 years ago, I would never have thought it possible.

As Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis are released complete, I will replace the OSTs for those scores.

I've said goodbye to the original soundtrack albums for these scores with gratitude and memories for each one.

[pixie_twinkle 60]

Are any of the remaining scores likely to be released soon? I know there can be licensing issues if certain CD companies don't own the rights to market the music. I hope LLL or Intrada has the rights to the remaining three.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

I believe it's been said - by Paramount was it? - that they want to remaster and preserve all the Trek scores, so the remaining shouldn't be too far away.

[OneBuckFilms 517]

Generations and Insurrection, I suspect, will be released complete from GNP, possibly in the same style of First Contact.

Nemesis? Not so sure on that one, as it is currently owned by Varese Sarabande.

Maybe a Deluxe Edition from their Club releases?

Should be interesting to see what emerges.

[Trent B 354]

Generations and Insurrection, I suspect, will be released complete from GNP, possibly in the same style of First Contact.

Nemesis? Not so sure on that one, as it is currently owned by Varese Sarabande.

Maybe a Deluxe Edition from their Club releases?

Should be interesting to see what emerges.

I agree with that about Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis. All though I did start a thread a month or so ago quoting what a poster said on FSM that he talked to McCarthy himself and McCarthy stated that a complete release was currently being worked on. I would suspect it might be out sometime this summer or in the fall.

I'm not holding my breath for Nemesis, all though IF Varèse does release an expanded version, I hope they do a full complete release and don't fuck it up like what they did with Star Trek 2009.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Generations and Insurrection, I suspect, will be released complete from GNP, possibly in the same style of First Contact.

Nemesis? Not so sure on that one, as it is currently owned by Varese Sarabande.

Maybe a Deluxe Edition from their Club releases?

Like Koray, I took the official "all the scores" comment to mean *all* the scores (of feature movies, until the reboot).

[OneBuckFilms 517]

Sort of officially revealed in the Star Trek IV complet score notice at Intrada.

[Trent B 354]

IF Star Trek Nemesis doesn't get a complete release I'm happy with the boot, despite it missing two vital cues.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

I wouldn't be surprised if Paramount makes it happen. Here's a thought though - all of these expansions so far have been done by the same team (Lukas, Matessino, etc.). Do you think Paramount would go to Varese and say "hey, you're working with these guys"? Or possibly buy back the rights and give it to someone else?

[OneBuckFilms 517]

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was one of LLLR's Comic-Con titles

Something will be worked out. If Varese does a co-production LLLR, or they get Lukas, Bulk et al. in working on it, it is likely to come out very nicely.

[Richard P 5,303]

Varese doing any sort of co-production would be a milestone event in film score releases.

IF Star Trek Nemesis doesn't get a complete release I'm happy with the boot, despite it missing two vital cues.

Given the work you put into putting every last note in your SW edits, I find that hard to believe.

My #1 film grail is a grail because it's missing one cue, and while I'm happy to have the boot, I'll never be truly satisfied until it gets Deluxe treatment.

[Trent B 354]

As I said despite Nemesis missing two cues...the two cues I did rip from the DVD. Other than that I'm happy with the boot since it featured almost the entire score.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I got mine today, they used stamps, they need to get with the 21st century and get a modern shipping dept.

[Trent B 354]

I got mine today, they used stamps, they need to get with the 21st century and get a modern shipping dept.

No kidding. You would also think they'd print out labels instead of hand writing them.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I got mine today, they used stamps, they need to get with the 21st century and get a modern shipping dept.

No kidding. You would also think they'd print out labels instead of hand writing them.

that too,

oops I just had a massive Jerrygasm and I've not even got to the Enterprise track yet.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

Imagine all the money they'd spend on printer ink and paper. Pens are cheaper.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

Considering they're able to pump out several hundred orders a day, the old-fashioned way must be working for them.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Considering they're able to pump out several hundred orders a day, the old-fashioned way must be working for them.

with a modern set up they could have gotten more than several hundred a day, they should be able to do several hundred an hour.

[Bryant Burnette 790]

Am I the only person a llittle disappointed with the sound quality? There's so much hiss that it sounds like someone in the back of the studio left a sink on...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

I dont really hear any hiss

[Ren 77]

Considering they're able to pump out several hundred orders a day, the old-fashioned way must be working for them.

with a modern set up they could have gotten more than several hundred a day, they should be able to do several hundred an hour.

How dare they assume that the mass market is still not into film music.

[Bryant Burnette 790]

I dont really hear any hiss

Hmm. Interesting...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,387]

with a modern set up they could have gotten more than several hundred a day, they should be able to do several hundred an hour.

A modern set up would require an investment. maybe the system they use now is more then adequate and aupgrading is not worth the expenses.

[Jay 46,244]

La-La Land sent out an email indicating that they will have Star Trek TMP back in stock on July 2nd

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE

SHIPPING NOTICE

Due to overwhelming demand, orders for STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE placed after 6/7 at 10pm (PST) (order #52600 and on) are being held until the title comes back in stock, which will be on July 2. We apologize for this inconvenience and appreciate your patience. These orders will ship as soon as the title arrives at La-La Land on July 2. Never in our label's history have we had so many orders for one title in such a short period of time. We blew through almost half the entire run in a few days.

Thanks for bearing with us as we get more of the run back in stock.

Source: http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?St62--E415-gkivq6

[Wojo 2,458]

How dare they assume that the mass market is still not into film music.

It's not an assumption. It's a conclusion that the evidence supports, which is why very few of the niche soundtrack labels announce "limited" runs in excess of 10,000 units. To sell to the mass market would require pressings in the hundreds of thousands or millions to be able to be sold at FYE, Best Buy, Walmart, Amazon, etc., and the niche labels don't have that kind of capital. They cater to a very specific cross-section of the music-buying community that relies on message boards, blogs, the labels' sites themselves, the social media the people operate, and certain events the niche fans attend, such as signing parties in L.A. and the film music concerts in Europe and Boston. The mass market is into film music, but tends to be content with the first version of whatever score soundtrack is presented for sale, and doesn't worry about buying the reprints and expansions. Those of us that do worry, we are the select few thousand that the Intradas, FSMs, and LaLaLands cater to.

We are the one percent.

A modern set up would require an investment. maybe the system they use now is more then adequate and upgrading is not worth the expenses.

Exactly. Sure, the orders they receive via the website might be tracked in some kind of database so they can track their expenses -- which could logically be exported to Excel or some other program to print sheets of Avery shipping -- but I don't know if it's tied to usernames and their addresses. LLR's website is run through Yahoo Shopping and lets you place orders using a variety of logins -- Google, Yahoo, or AOL -- or lets you be anonymous by using PayPal or a guest login for each purchase. There doesn't seem to be one singular LLR login name you must use to make a purchase like Intrada or SAE require. I may be mistakenly using the effect of the system to justify the cause of not using a label system, but unless they decide to create a single database for their names and addresses, they would be cutting and pasting or retyping the data to print each label, and by then, they could have just written on the envelope. Either way is time consuming, and while writing so much hurts the hand after awhile, it saves the money of not needing to buy the label material.

La-La Land sent out an email indicating that they will have Star Trek TMP back in stock on July 2nd

Did anyone who placed an order for TMP with ScreenArchivesEntertainment get theirs? I bundled this with a bunch of other albums -- one of which is Intrada's Charade, which is also on back order to replenish stock -- so I'm wondering which album is holding up my order, because with SAE, it's all or nothing; you don't get partial shipments like with MovieMusic or Amazon.

[crocodile 9,724]

I can't wait to hear it, finally. It'll be the end of this week or Monday. Fingers crossed!

Karol

[JoeinAR 1,957]

with a modern set up they could have gotten more than several hundred a day, they should be able to do several hundred an hour.

A modern set up would require an investment. maybe the system they use now is more then adequate and aupgrading is not worth the expenses.

not really, they can get them for free from Ups and Fedex.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Did anyone who placed an order for TMP with ScreenArchivesEntertainment get theirs? I bundled this with a bunch of other albums -- one of which is Intrada's Charade, which is also on back order to replenish stock -- so I'm wondering which album is holding up my order, because with SAE, it's all or nothing; you don't get partial shipments like with MovieMusic or Amazon.

Same with me - both Mancinis in the same order, and more. I can probably count myself lucky if I get it by the end of July...

I'm fine with them shipping only complete packages. I'm not annoyed at them that sometimes much requested stuff goes out of stock. But I'm really beginning to think they should add a feature to their store that shows you WHAT is currently in stock and what isn't, and when your order is expected to ship.

[paleo 78]

I got mine! :-) Neatly protected by layers of bubble wrap, not a single crack or scratch: sorry, MovieMusic, but it does make a difference. So now I have almost 5 hours of music to listen to (Galaxy Quest sounds great as well)...

[Trent B 354]

Even though I got mine directly from La-La Land there is a very TINY crack on the back tray. It doesn't bother me since it'll be in my CD tower anyawys.

[crocodile 9,724]

Got my copy today, finally. I've finished the film score and now I'm playing the early version. Wow, I'm absolutly blown away by these unused bits. A completely different score, so romantic and bold. The film version itself is a masterpiece, obviously, and as amazing on its own as it is married to the film. No need to repeat all of that. And yes, it flows beautifully in the complete form (not so surprising as it carries the whole film on its shoulders). Hook release was a major letdown for me (for reasons that mostly have nothing to do with LLL and MV), but this release might be one of their finest. If you were to have only one Goldsmith score, get this one. It's one of those that literally sucks listener into its world. Worth every penny!

I'll leave the OST version and the third disc for tomorrow. It's a lot to take in one sitting.

EDIT: I still don't know what it the different about that inlay that they added. They look identical to me.

Karol

[OneBuckFilms 517]

I'm vaguely aware of a difference, crocodile, but I can see where you are coming friom.

[Datameister 2,586]

I wish I were as thoroughly captivated by this score as many people are. I mean, I think it's fantastic and innovative and effective and whatnot, and I was delighted to buy La-La Land's perfect release of it, but I still get the impression that many people are sucked even more deeply into this sonic world that Goldsmith crafted. It's like...I can hear what makes it so great, and I enjoy it plenty, but some strange part of my brain prevents me from being as fully blown away as I probably should be. Oh well... =/

[Xander Harris 9,675]

I wish I were as thoroughly captivated by this score as many people are. I mean, I think it's fantastic and innovative and effective and whatnot, and I was delighted to buy La-La Land's perfect release of it, but I still get the impression that many people are sucked even more deeply into this sonic world that Goldsmith crafted. It's like...I can hear what makes it so great, and I enjoy it plenty, but some strange part of my brain prevents me from being as fully blown away as I probably should be. Oh well... =/

Do drugs and listen to it. You will understand.

[Ren 77]

I was listening in my car today and was just incredibly astounded at the richness of the bass and the effect it had on the aesthetic of the listening experience even just in my car.

[Joe Brausam 234]

I finally had the money for this the other day, but I really didn't want to wait for it to come back in stock, so I ordered an unsealed copy for $37 from a guy on Amazon and it came today. Really nice looking set! I'll give it a first listen tomorrow.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

I wish I were as thoroughly captivated by this score as many people are. I mean, I think it's fantastic and innovative and effective and whatnot, and I was delighted to buy La-La Land's perfect release of it, but I still get the impression that many people are sucked even more deeply into this sonic world that Goldsmith crafted. It's like...I can hear what makes it so great, and I enjoy it plenty, but some strange part of my brain prevents me from being as fully blown away as I probably should be. Oh well... =/

I think it's good but far from Goldsmith's best.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

I wish I were as thoroughly captivated by this score as many people are. I mean, I think it's fantastic and innovative and effective and whatnot, and I was delighted to buy La-La Land's perfect release of it, but I still get the impression that many people are sucked even more deeply into this sonic world that Goldsmith crafted. It's like...I can hear what makes it so great, and I enjoy it plenty, but some strange part of my brain prevents me from being as fully blown away as I probably should be. Oh well... =/

I think it's good but far from Goldsmith's best.

It's Goldsmith's finest achievement ever. Everything before led up to this and everything after was not quite as good.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

I like it better than Star Wars.

[Koray Savas 2,260]

I wish I were as thoroughly captivated by this score as many people are. I mean, I think it's fantastic and innovative and effective and whatnot, and I was delighted to buy La-La Land's perfect release of it, but I still get the impression that many people are sucked even more deeply into this sonic world that Goldsmith crafted. It's like...I can hear what makes it so great, and I enjoy it plenty, but some strange part of my brain prevents me from being as fully blown away as I probably should be. Oh well... =/

I think it's good but far from Goldsmith's best.

It's Goldsmith's finest achievement ever. Everything before led up to this and everything after was not quite as good.

I'd happily have my mind changed once I get this set. I only listened to the old expansion a few times, and I've never listened to the boot nor seen the film. It never grabbed me as much as his scores like Under Fire and The Edge.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

While it should be judged as music on its own (and it succeeds as such, in my opinion), it accomplishes a Herculian task in the film. TMP's already kind of dull, without the music... gahhhhhhhh.

[Jay 46,244]

The film would have flopped without this kind of score to carry it

[Wojo 2,458]

The film would have flopped without this kind of score to carry it

Can you really make that claim? How many people really went to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture to hear the breathtaking score? Had the spectacular score become public knowledge before people bought their movie tickets?

I would think most people went to see TMP because of the ten year hiatus since "Turnabout Intruder" and reruns had built up some hype. That and they may have thought "ooh Star Wars was fun, let's give this Star Trek a try." Sure, the spectacular score made all the otherwise silent and lifeless moments of drooling over the invasive special effects awesome and timeless in a way that disco, rock, or 70's-era p0rno music would not have...but how would that translate into box office returns? Only the real die-hard film score fans or science fiction nerds that fell in love with the story would have to go back and see it twice or three times. Everyone else who simply fell...asleep would not have gone back, and would tell their friends to not waste their money.

I just have a really hard time understanding the effect that a good score has on drawing a crowd to see a movie in the first place.

Wikipedia gives TMP's budget as $46 million and the box office return as $139 million. Not terrible but not great. It only tripled its budget, which isn't great but it greenlit the sequel, which earned back its budget nearly tenfold, yet didn't come anywhere near TMP's $139M.