The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[Wojo 2,458]

Yes, he got some 'tang.

[mrbellamy 8,242]

AICN has their write-up of the Comic Con panel and footage: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57079

It also says Howard Shore will record the score with the London Philharmonic in 5-6 weeks.

[KK 3,313]

Hobbits are taking to the skies.

[gkgyver 1,647]

AICN has their write-up of the Comic Con panel and footage: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57079

It also says Howard Shore will record the score with the London Philharmonic in 5-6 weeks.

Oh crap, how I would love to get ahold of These conductor's scores!

[Jay 46,241]

Why hasn't the actual footage shown at Comic Con turned up online anywhere? The Superman footage leaked!

Come to think of it, the Tintin footage shown at last year's comic con never leaked either

[gkgyver 1,647]

Can you imagine how great, brilliant even, this score can turn out, given that it went around Shore's head for years?

Sorry if I'm gushing randomly.

I don't want to see any footage except the trailers. And I don't want to hear the score before I go see it on the big screen in glorious 48 fps.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

Can you imagine how great, brilliant even, this score can turn out, given that it went around Shore's head for years?

Sorry if I'm gushing randomly.

Don't be sorry about that. I'm sure this score will deserve to be gushed about.

I don't want to see any footage except the trailers. And I don't want to hear the score before I go see it on the big screen.

Same here, but it will be awfully hard to resist when samples will be available.

[Ren 77]

I can hardly wait for this score. This is the one score I've been anticipating for quite some time now. Yes. I am a lotr fan girl.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

You don't say!

[Incanus 5,890]

Well Shore certainly has built very high expectations for this music with his Lord of the Rings scores but I am quite certain he will come through. He did so with all the three LotR scores, each maintaining a consistent quality, even raising it with the sequels if possible.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

Could be that even you might be a tad bored if he actually did that. But as he said in a recent interview the score will, unsurprisingly, in follow the footsteps of the LotR scores.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/movie-guide/Music+Ring+cycle/6867813/story.html

He is not giving away much about his approach to the score for The Hobbit except to say, “If you like the scores to the other films, you’ll like the way I’m approaching The Hobbit.”

He is into the crunch right now on The Hobbit with recording set to begin in August. That pressure prevents him from being in Ottawa for the performance.

Asked whether some of the music for The Hobbit will hint at the Lord of the Rings, he’s coy.

“I have crafty little ways of dropping bits here and there. There are characters that are in both, Bilbo, Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond. It’s so connected to The Lord of the Rings.”

[Ren 77]

Well Shore certainly has built very high expectations for this music with his Lord of the Rings scores but I am quite certain he will come through. He did so with all the three LotR scores, each maintaining a consistent quality, even raising it with the sequels if possible.

I can hardly wait to hear how he predevelops later themes

[Incanus 5,890]

I am sure Shore will intelligently drop in variations of "unchanging" themes like Rivendell or the Ring and more innoncent (if possible) versions of Shire themes in the Hobbit films along with other possible returning musical motifs (Mordor & Orc material, Dwarves music etc.). All the possibilities of using the older themes make me giddy with anticipation in addition to the new original material specific for the Hobbit story itself.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Brónach 1,330]

A theme for Laketown.

A theme for the treasure.

A theme for the arkstone.

A theme for the Mountain (probably the same as the theme for the quest itself or for the treasure).

Motifs for some of the dwarves.

[Ren 77]

I definitely think some may just be motifs

[Incanus 5,890]

Well knowing Shore we will need Doug Adams to clarify all his compositional ideas for us in the end. I believe Doug has been following Shore's work from the beginning this time around so we might expect some insight from him as soon as he is able to reveal something.

[Brónach 1,330]

I think Shore could have little themes for groups inside the dwarves group. Kili and Fili; Bombur, Bofur and Bifur, etc

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

I think Shore could have little themes for groups inside the dwarves group. Kili and Fili; Bombur, Bofur and Bifur, etc

I highly doubt he will do that considering The Fellowship of the Ring didn't receive 9 different themes. Only Aragorn and Gandalf the White got ideas derived from it. It becomes even more complicated musically to separate 13 Dwarves to different musical representations.

And yes Shore uses a lot of motifs, by which I mean short musical devices, in the LotR scores as well which serves the story quite aptly when he has to quote material for specific character, culture or idea quickly or many of them in succession. A lot of the themes in LotR are in essence very specific small cells which then combine into larger constructs. A good example is the Mordor and Hobbit auxiliary material outside the longer themes, the so called accompaniment figures.

[Brónach 1,330]

Yes and it was a shame!

Aragorn had a motif? I didn't know that.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Ren 77]

I am dying over here! Hurry up Shore! It will be pure ecstasy when this score comes out. You may not hear from me for a while. I'll not be getting out of bed for anything for a few days while I listen to that score over and over.

[Incanus 5,890]

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Aragorn had a motif? I didn't know that.

The Heroics of Aragorn, dude! At the beginning of The Bridge of Khazad-Dûm (right after the Fellowship theme statement) during the Weathertop sequence, when riding to Helm's Deep, in the Prologue (when Sauron is destroyed)...

It took me a while to spot it (and Doug Adams liner notes, obviously! )

I would not exactly call the Prologue brass figure Aragorn's theme since it has nothing to do with Aragorn himself. Similar but unrelated I would say. Also you forgot to mention Parth Galen where the theme is most clearly heard in heroic guise on brass. Aragorn's and Gandalf the White's themes form also the ending of Gondor in Ascension theme, a brilliant idea to musically connect the saviors of the realm and the kingdom in peril and Aragorn's heritage. I have to admit this is one of the more nebulous themes and took ages for me to spot it from the Hobbits' first encounter with Strider in Bree and then in the subsequent appearances.

[Brónach 1,330]

Aragorn had a motif? I didn't know that.

The Heroics of Aragorn, dude! At the beginning of The Bridge of Khazad-Dûm (right after the Fellowship theme statement) during the Weathertop sequence, when riding to Helm's Deep, in the Prologue (when Sauron is destroyed)...

It took me a while to spot it (and Doug Adams liner notes, obviously! )

Oh that. I never related the different statements.

[tannhauser 101]

I think the dwarves will all be blanketed under the one Company of Dwarves theme. I can imagine Gandalf and Bilbo not getting specific themes either. Shore doesn't really do big character themes, if you look at the major themes from the trilogy they relate to the Fellowship, the Ring, the Shire, Gondor, Rohan, Mordor etc. I expect the Eagles music to be a development of the Nature theme from before. Smaug will have to have a theme, and laketown. It'll be interesting to see if he foreshadows the Isengard theme somehow for Saruman. Mirkwood will be interesting as well, considering that the Lothlorien and Rivendell material was similar in ways yet vastly different at the same time. I just hope they don't decide to quote the fellowship theme for continuity as it's what people know best from LOTR.

[Brónach 1,330]

I think Bilbo might get a pair of themes (his Baggins side and his Took side) and Gandalf none.

[Incanus 5,890]

Gandalf the Grey didn't receive a theme in LotR either so I don't think it would make musical sense to have one for him now. Shore did compose character themes but his main focus was cultures in LotR. The Hobbits were, as the scores were culturally oriented, all represented by various variations on the Shire material so I fully expect similar treatment for Bilbo.

Oh and Gollum's music will surely make an appearance, hopefully both themes.

To tell you the truth I am continually awed at how complex, multi-themed and varied the LotR scores are and yet they do not feel cluttered or too ponderous or ungainly. I think it is a marvellous feat.

[Brónach 1,330]

But the Bilbo situation is different. Bilbo is the main and titular character here. Everything revolves about Bilbo suddenly going in an unexpected and dangerous adventure and changing as a result. Why woulnd't Bilbo get a theme? Like the Ring did have a theme in LOTR.

[Incanus 5,890]

But the Bilbo situation is different. Bilbo is the main and titular character here. Everything revolves about Bilbo suddenly going in an unexpected and dangerous adventure and changing as a result. Why woulnd't Bilbo get a theme?

Frodo was going on a dangerous quest of his own, was without a doubt the main character and didn't receive a specific theme of his own. Would Bilbo be any different in Shore's mind? If Bilbo has a theme I am pretty sure it is informed by the Shire themes in some way.

[Brónach 1,330]

Like the flute melody in the trailer when Bilbo is speaking.

The book always "sounded in my head" like something in this style:

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[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

I think the dwarves will all be blanketed under the one Company of Dwarves theme.

Agreed, except for Thorin. I'm sure he'll get a theme of his own.

Bombur should have his own Bombur Outline Figure on timpani and Bombur End Cap on tuba, you know because he is...fat.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Brónach 1,330]

And an Heroics of Bombur when he hits a goblin's head with his frying pan.

[Incanus 5,890]

And there should be a Bombur's Understanding motif as well.

Bombur's Eating Disorder might be closer to the mark. He eats because he is so sad that he is so fat. A vicious cycle that should be reflected in the psychology of the music. When he finally understands his dilemma (at the end of the character arc) it will transform into Bombur's Understanding. On tuba, because you know he is...fat.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

Bombur will be PJ's to-go-to guys for these movies lame Dwarf jokes I'm sure.

[Incanus 5,890]

Bombur will be PJ's to-go-to guys for these movies lame Dwarf jokes I'm sure.

Yes naturally. He is fat and he is a Dwarf. All two needed ingredients for intoxicatingly comical fun for the whole family. Oh yes and I hope there will be fart jokes because fat people and fart jokes compliment each other magnificently.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,385]

I just hope the Obesity Society Of America won't be offended and start a boycott against the film. They currently have 150 million members.

[Wojo 2,458]

I just hope the Obesity Society Of America won't be offended and start a boycott against the film.

Aren't they same group that called the delightfully curvy Kate Upton a fat piggie?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

I think Shore could have little themes for groups inside the dwarves group. Kili and Fili; Bombur, Bofur and Bifur, etc

I think Shore could have little themes for groups inside the dwarves group. Kili and Fili; Bombur, Bofur and Bifur, etc

I highly doubt he will do that considering The Fellowship of the Ring didn't receive 9 different themes. Only Aragorn and Gandalf the White got ideas derived from it. It becomes even more complicated musically to separate 13 Dwarves to different musical representations.

Probably not but I think there will be a playful motif, probably entitled Dwarves' Antics

But the Bilbo situation is different. Bilbo is the main and titular character here. Everything revolves about Bilbo suddenly going in an unexpected and dangerous adventure and changing as a result. Why woulnd't Bilbo get a theme?

Frodo was going on a dangerous quest of his own, was without a doubt the main character and didn't receive a specific theme of his own. Would Bilbo be any different in Shore's mind? If Bilbo has a theme I am pretty sure it is informed by the Shire themes in some way.

I believe Shore might actually craft a theme for Bilbo. One that is a very close harmonic cousin to that of the Shire. There is a little melody heard in the trailer at 0:23. I think this might be portion of Bilbo's little theme.

And like many others (probably moreso), I am EXTREMELY excited for this score. The possibilities really are endless. And considering its Shore, who knows how many past themes he'll hint at!! Besides all the obvious ones like Rivendell, The Shire, the Ring,etc. There are endless possibilities. Will he give us a sly, cleverly positive variation of the Isengard theme upon the appearance of Saruman? Will we hear remnants of the Dwarrowdelf theme at the mention of Moria?

And look at this clip, specifically at 4:10

There's a very intriguing passage there when Gandalf looks at the map of the Lonely Mountain. I never paid much attention to it. But going through The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films recently, I saw that Doug Adams did pay special attention to it, although its purpose still lacks significance. Maybe it might hint to some future material.

And as for new themes! I can't wait to hear the Company theme in action! It'll be brilliant!

[BloodBoal 8,711]

And look at this clip, specifically at 4:10

There's a very intriguing passage there when Gandalf looks at the map of the Lonely Mountain. I never paid much attention to it. But going through The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films recently, I saw that Doug Adams did pay special attention to it, although its purpose still lacks significance. Maybe it might hint to some future material.

You only noticed that now? You're late to the party, dude.

[KK 3,313]

And look at this clip, specifically at 4:10

There's a very intriguing passage there when Gandalf looks at the map of the Lonely Mountain. I never paid much attention to it. But going through The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films recently, I saw that Doug Adams did pay special attention to it, although its purpose still lacks significance. Maybe it might hint to some future material.

You only noticed that now? You're late to the party, dude.

I noticed it before, but I never paid any heed to it. It seemed insignificant. Should have known, it is Shore.

[Incanus 5,890]

Actually Shore didn't put that much emphasis on that particular moment, just "a bit of intrigue" as he says about the nostalgic mysterious phrase and brief choral section in the liner notes as Gandalf spots the map of the Lonely Mountain. No doubt it could be expanded in the Hobbit into something more significant.

[KK 3,313]

Actually Shore didn't put that much emphasis on that particular moment, just "a bit of intrigue" as he says about the nostalgic mysterious phrase and brief choral section in the liner notes as Gandalf spots the map of the Lonely Mountain. No doubt it could be expanded in the Hobbit into something more significant.

That's true. It's very likely the material will be entirely forgotten. But unlike other composers, I think Shore is the likeliest of composers to pick up on tiny details like that. For all we know, he probably spent the last few months going over all the scores of the Lord of the Rings to note down what little motifs he can extrapolate into the Hobbit.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[hornist 1,261]

:shakehead:

[Wojo 2,458]

Yeah, and if he writes a love theme for Leggy and Tauriel, he won't be saying bullshit like "This is the first love theme I wrote for Tolkien saga".

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