Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The Great Train Robbery is a good transition score to turn a Williams fan into a Goldsmith fan. Worked for me, at least.You mean Dennis The Menace Never warmed to that very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The Great Train Robbery is a good transition score to turn a Williams fan into a Goldsmith fan. Worked for me, at least.You mean Dennis The Menace Never warmed to that very much.Well you should, since the main theme is stolen from The Great Train Robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Main themes do not a full score make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 In Dennis The Menace's case is pretty much does. Both are excellent scores, and I think it's funny how similar they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,089 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I don't even recall Dennis' main theme, and it never seemed to be more than somewhat similar to me. In any case, the score as a whole is nowhere near GTR in style or substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Dennis has one of the best Goldsmith themes, I thought...I don't know the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Why is the alternate "Funeral Pyre For a Jedi" on ROTJ SE, but not the alternate "Leia Breaks the News"?What the hell was "Tatooine Rendezvous" composed for? I know there was a cut scene involving Luke and the droids in the cave, but as far as I know that was never filmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 About the alternate "Leia Breaks the News" I imagine it was a space issue, some labels won't release CDs that have more than 75 minutes as it increases the probabilities of defects in the production. Good thing it's on the anthology.Tatooine Rendezvous was composed for a scene right after Vader's arrival at the Death Star, he has a "telephatic conversation" with Luke, like at the end of Empire, it then cuts to Tatooine where Luke places his new saber into R2 and sends the droids to Jabba's Palace.It's strange that none of this scene has ever leaked since it must have been pretty complete and in a late cut of the film if John was able to score it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I just ordered the Omen Trilogy Boxset. I already have the Deluxe Edition of the first score--can I get rid of it? Are there any differences between the two, especially in music or liner notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I believe the boxset has the Deluxe Edition of all 3. So you have an extra copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The set is made up of the individual releases in a new slipcase.So yes,you can get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Congratulations, you're a double dipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Okay, thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I caught the last 10-15 minutes or so of Harrison Ford's biography on the Bio channel. Steven Spileberg was one of the people that spoke, and he said something that I never knew. Did anyone know that Ford stapled the fedora to his head in order to keep it on? Spielberg said Ford and Lucas would kill him for saying that, but he said it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I caught the last 10-15 minutes or so of Harrison Ford's biography on the Bio channel. Steven Spileberg was one of the people that spoke, and he said something that I never knew. Did anyone know that Ford stapled the fedora to his head in order to keep it on? Spielberg said Ford and Lucas would kill him for saying that, but he said it anyway.It's Spielberg joking around. Ford staples the hat to his head in the original LAST CRUSADE teaser, so he's just having fun with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,620 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I think that's a joke Koray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Dammit Spielberg! They did show a clip of it, which I guess was the teaser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Dammit Spielberg! They did show a clip of it, which I guess was the teaser.Yeah, the teaser was like a behind the scenes mini-movie. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0-s0c7SXGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Hey, I have a quick question reg. Jaws Main Theme...At the beginning of this, you can hear very soft sounds that sound like underwater noise... even before the first dum-dum starts. I dunno really how to describe it, but it conjures up images of being deep underwater... What is this exactly? Did JW write that? Does the orchestra do that, or is that a sound effect?You can hear it best in the Spielberg/Williams version the Jaws Theme, I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Hmm, I've never heard that. In the film, there's a crash of waves and some strange watery sounds over the Universal logo and the first bit of black. But those are actual sound effects that I've never heard replicated on an album, although I don't have the Spielberg/Williams one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Hmm, I've never heard that. In the film, there's a crash of waves and some strange watery sounds over the Universal logo and the first bit of black. But those are actual sound effects that I've never heard replicated on an album, although I don't have the Spielberg/Williams one.I just listened to the OS album, and no it's not on that! And yes, I mean that strange watery sound...But it's on the Spielberg Williams one, and also on the Hollywood Sound album, performed by the LSO.I'm thinking the orchestra must be doing something there... I can't believe JW would use synthethizers just for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I'm listening to the beginning Spielberg/Williams recording at the loudest volume I can. I don't have the score or anything, but it sounds to me like there's a little bit of harp, a very soft roll on tam-tam (AKA gong) and bass drum, and something alternating between F, F#, G#, and A...perhaps prepared piano, or another harp, or woodwinds playing with an unconventional technique? It's very hard to tell. The double basses might be doing some very low notes in there, too. But I'd say the bass drum and tam-tam roll is really responsible for most of that eerie underwater feel. EDIT: Yeah, I don't hear synths in this, though there might be some hidden very softly in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I'm listening to the beginning Spielberg/Williams recording at the loudest volume I can. I don't have the score or anything, but it sounds to me like there's a little bit of harp, a very soft roll on tam-tam (AKA gong) and bass drum, and something alternating between F, F#, G#, and A...perhaps prepared piano, or another harp, or woodwinds playing with an unconventional technique? It's very hard to tell. The double basses might be doing some very low notes in there, too. But I'd say the bass drum and tam-tam roll is really responsible for most of that eerie underwater feel. EDIT: Yeah, I don't hear synths in this, though there might be some hidden very softly in the mix.I've always wondered what this is... To be honest, I don't hear any woodwinds there, but a harp and a gong... yeah, maybe!Hmmm, I don't have the written sheet music, but I remember having seen the first page of it somewhere, and I seem to remember there was nothing concerning this! It just started with the bass playing the first note...Does any one HAVE the sheet music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Well, I'm 99% sure about the tam-tam, and about 93% sure about the bass drum. The harp I'm 100% sure about, but they notes are in the low register, which makes them sound less characteristically harplike. That other instrument is just really hard to figure out...it's probably prepared piano or something. But there are unorthodox techniques that can be used to make very strange sounds with flutes and so forth...it's not out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Well, I'm 99% sure about the tam-tam, and about 93% sure about the bass drum. The harp I'm 100% sure about, but they notes are in the low register, which makes them sound less characteristically harplike. That other instrument is just really hard to figure out...it's probably prepared piano or something. But there are unorthodox techniques that can be used to make very strange sounds with flutes and so forth...it's not out of the question.I've just come to appreciate the Main Theme from Jaws even more just now... BTW, there's a section of this piece 1:38-1:41 that's heavily reminiscent of a section of Battle Over Coruscant (a part that's NOT on the OS album)... has anyone noticed this? It's almost note for note the same (orchestration differs slightly, though, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I think I hear the passage you're talking about, but it doesn't sound especially similar to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I think I hear the passage you're talking about, but it doesn't sound especially similar to me.Then you're listening to the wrong passage! OK, the one I'm talking about:Battle Over Coruscant, at around 4:02Jaws Main Title (Spielberg/Williams version): 1:38-1:41Itr's VERY similar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Well, I mean, it sounds similar in the sense that the Superman main theme sounds similar to the Star Wars main theme - they're both brassy, heroic major-key fanfares, but otherwise quite different. EDIT: Yes, that's exactly the comparison I thought you were making, but again, I'd say the similarity is superficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Are you listening to the passages I indicated?It's the same succession of notes... and used in the same way, to boot! To shift gears, so to speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Must I go into specifics? * The ROTS passage is in 6/8 or 6/4 or some sort of triple meter; the Jaws passage is in 4/4.* The ROTS passage makes continual use of bass drum (or taiko or whatever) hits on beats 1 and 5; the Jaws passage just uses a few in irregular places.* The ROTS passage has a slower tempo.* The ROTS passage uses the strings to play simple repeated whole-step intervals; the Jaws passage uses them to scurry around in faster runs.* The ROTS passage does not use trombones; the Jaws passage uses them prominently.* The ROTS passage goes on for much longer, using trumpets to play a very "modern JW" melody; the Jaws passage is shorter, and it is followed by a very different melody for woodwinds.Don't make me write out a transcription! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Must I go into specifics? * The ROTS passage is in 6/8 or 6/4 or some sort of triple meter; the Jaws passage is in 4/4.* The ROTS passage makes continual use of bass drum (or taiko or whatever) hits on beats 1 and 5; the Jaws passage just uses a few in irregular places.* The ROTS passage has a slower tempo.* The ROTS passage uses the strings to play simple repeated whole-step intervals; the Jaws passage uses them to scurry around in faster runs.* The ROTS passage does not use trombones; the Jaws passage uses them prominently.* The ROTS passage goes on for much longer, using trumpets to play a very "modern JW" melody; the Jaws passage is shorter, and it is followed by a very different melody for woodwinds.Don't make me write out a transcription! I can't believe I'm arguing with you over this...I just said these passages sound similar! And they do!The orchestration differs, of course, like I said. No need to get technical. Hey I have another question:Why does Double Trouble in the trailer sound so much different from the version found on the OS? I gotta say, I love the trailer version. The choir sounds more animated, more fun, somehow... listen for yourself: Maybe this was an early recording, and until JW recorded the OS album, the kids had grown up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 But I said the similarities were superficial, and I proved it! Those technicalities are responsible for it sounding somewhat different, at least to me! You said it was almost note-for-note identical, with only slight differences in the orchestration, and that's simply not true! As for the trailer version of Double Trouble, yeah, it certainly has an interesting sound to it. The song itself was written during production, of course, so the children could be filmed lip-syncing it in the Great Hall. I've always assumed that they recorded this quick version for the trailer and then invested more time in a polished recording for the film. The children don't seem to have British accents, which makes a difference, and they kept a lot of the longer notes a lot more staccato. The instrumentation is fun, too...a little less medieval and a little more orchestral, which is deliciously appropriate in the trailer but it wouldn't have been in the film. I also like how it speeds up a bit toward the end, really building energy.Actually, I love all the music in that teaser trailer...anyone know where the music in the beginning was from? Perhaps written by Williams specifically for the trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 As for the trailer version of Double Trouble, yeah, it certainly has an interesting sound to it. The song itself was written during production, of course, so the children could be filmed lip-syncing it in the Great Hall. I've always assumed that they recorded this quick version for the trailer and then invested more time in a polished recording for the film. The children don't seem to have British accents, which makes a difference, and they kept a lot of the longer notes a lot more staccato. The instrumentation is fun, too...a little less medieval and a little more orchestral, which is deliciously appropriate in the trailer but it wouldn't have been in the film. I also like how it speeds up a bit toward the end, really building energy.Yes, it is more polished on the OS, but still... I like the "raw" version in the trailer more, somehow... sounds more genuine. The choir sounds different. I was thinking maybe they used more girls than boys (or just girls) for the earlier recording, and for the OS they had boys and girls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Well, the final version is just boys - it's the London Oratory School Schola, a British boys choir. It does sound to me like there were some girls involved in the trailer version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Either that or those boys desperately needed puberty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well, the final version is just boys - it's the London Oratory School Schola, a British boys choir. It does sound to me like there were some girls involved in the trailer version.Yes, definitely.I guess there had to be, since in the movie we see (mostly) girls singing in the choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,234 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hey, I have a quick question reg. Jaws Main Theme...At the beginning of this, you can hear very soft sounds that sound like underwater noise... even before the first dum-dum starts. I dunno really how to describe it, but it conjures up images of being deep underwater... What is this exactly? Did JW write that? Does the orchestra do that, or is that a sound effect?I went to a concert last year with the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra performing an all-Williams programme, including the theme from Jaws. It was the first time I had ever heard it performed live and I was pleased that they included those few bars of quietly ominous intro before the famous theme starts. The two instruments playing at the beginning were the harp and piano (very softly, in its lowest register, but the acoustics in Symphony Hall are excellent and I could see them with my own eyes). Therefore Datameister has a very good ear and is probably correct; although I do not remember seeing the gong being played in the intro for that performance, I could well have missed it and I suppose it is quite possible that the Boston Pops version did not use identical orchestral forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I wonder whether those initial bars are included in the Signature Edition score...Does anybody have that?BTW, on the Spielberg/Williams version, it's definitely NOT just piano and harp... so probably the tam-tam, like datameister said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 No it only appears in a few of the concert versions. Just some atmosphere added by Williams.It's not on the original album nor the 25th Anniversary album.The sounds you hear in the film during the Universal logo and fade are whales/underwater sounds. They also appears over the Universal logo in Jaws 2 and I think Jaws 3, although there is unreleased music playing over the logo as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 How many times has an album track begun with a cue that chronologically follows the cue that is including on the second half of the track? That doesn't make much sense, so context: I'm going through the Anthology redoing my ROTJ edit, and 'Heroic Ewok/The Fleet Goes Into Hyperspace' is such a case, where Heroic Ewok should come after The Fleet Goes Into Hyperspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hmm... "Hook-Napped" comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I can't believe FSM is selling this for $179.95! This was for promotional purposes only.BTW I have this. I picked it up at a yard sale for 3 Euros, I believe.http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=7804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hey, I have a quick question reg. Jaws Main Theme...At the beginning of this, you can hear very soft sounds that sound like underwater noise... even before the first dum-dum starts. I dunno really how to describe it, but it conjures up images of being deep underwater... What is this exactly? Did JW write that? Does the orchestra do that, or is that a sound effect?You can hear it best in the Spielberg/Williams version the Jaws Theme, I think!I believe that could be bowed low piano strings. I remember this effect was duplicated live at Avery Fisher Hall in 2006. At that concert, though, it could have been simply very soft low piano clusters, which acoustically, in a large space, can sound rather ambiguous and undefined.Possibly, it could also be soft palm "hammering" on the lower strings inside the piano.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 How many times has an album track begun with a cue that chronologically follows the cue that is including on the second half of the track? That doesn't make much sense, so context: I'm going through the Anthology redoing my ROTJ edit, and 'Heroic Ewok/The Fleet Goes Into Hyperspace' is such a case, where Heroic Ewok should come after The Fleet Goes Into Hyperspace.On the Special Editions it's corrected.I can't believe FSM is selling this for $179.95! This was for promotional purposes only.BTW I have this. I picked it up at a yard sale for 3 Euros, I believe.http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=7804SAE is selling it, FSM is a label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I can't believe FSM is selling this for $179.95! This was for promotional purposes only.BTW I have this. I picked it up at a yard sale for 3 Euros, I believe.http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=7804Screen Archives are great but never buy anything used from them unless you're loaded as they always charge ridiculously for the rare and out of print CD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Screen Archives are great but never buy anything used from them unless you're loaded as they always charge ridiculously for the rare and out of print CD's.Yes. When I want something used, I go to amazon or ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 ...never buy anything...unless you're loaded...Last thing I bought when I was loaded was a tattoo. I wish I could remember who Ginger was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Could be worse, you could have tattood Christopher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 What is the best release of Henry Mancini's Peter Gunn music? Apparently, this one has very poor sound quality, so I am reluctant to get this release.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I only have the theme and I think one other cue on the Ultimate Mancini compilation CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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