Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Sorry, a bit new here! Mawgs are the species that Barf, who is a character from "Spaceballs", belongs to. Half man half dog. Too obscure to be funny perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Sorry, a bit new here! A Mawg is the species that Barf, who is a character from "Spaceballs", belongs to. Too obscure to be funny perhaps.Ah, now I get it. Pretty funny!Oi!Don't portray me as the village idiot!A thousand apologies Stefan the Tremendous! I would not dream of portraying you but as a paragon of unfathomable virtues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'd rather hear tales of Barf the CrossbowmanIndeed. He makes a more interesting character and he doesn't get into convoluted storylines. And the fact that he's a bachelor with no family is a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Does he have a boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Don't mince words Bones, what do you really think?Derivative poster (so bored of that same old colour scheme), Smaug has rarely looked worse (in posters at least), and as a teaser poster, it fails to capture the main point of the film.A step in the wrong direction from this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2014 Gone are the days of grown men made giddy by movie posters Incanus, Alex Shore and KK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Does he have a boat?Sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I had that framed and on my wall for many years.Best PJ/Tolkien poster so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I had that framed and on my wall for many years.Best PJ/Tolkien poster so far!I have to agree. Simple yet evocative. None of the clutter of the many bobbing heads in the later posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I knew nothing of LOTR in 2001, but that poster really peaked my interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 You had never read the books Stefancos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's the poster that best displays the Tolkien spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I hadn't, but then I was only 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I read them first in the fifth grade.A lot of the subtext probably flew right over my head though.I watched the films a year or two after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I started reading them shortly after FOTR. A close friend of mine, former MB member Darth Furter sent me an english language copy of FOTR shortly after the film was released. After finishing it I scrambled to Amsterdam to find the whole thing in English.It was awe inspiring.It's the poster that best displays the Tolkien spirit.FOTR is also the film that best displays the Tolkien spirit.The other 2 are great, and have the greater emotional pay offs. But FOTR is the best of the films overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I had been a Tolkien fan close to a decade when the first film came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Oh yeah!Well...i have an Elvish tattoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Oh yeah!Well...i have an Elvish tattoo!Touché Stefan the Magnificent! Touché! Umbar was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I first read the book during summer 1998. Bought the first volume as a birthday present for my friend. I heard that this is supposed to be a decent fantasy book, so thought he might like it. He got hooked and persuaded me to read it. I had no idea it was a global phenomenon at the time. Shortly after I read in a magazine that they're making a film out of it. I remember that it took me about 2 weeks to read the first one, another five to complete the second one. The third one I read in two days.Not sure why I type that...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Touché Stefan the Magnificent! Touché! Umbar was it?Yes!Bow your head in shame over the superiority of my fanboy-ish-ness! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 If I approved of tattoos, that's the one I'd get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thou have truly bested me in the art that is fanboyism Stefan the Bold. I bow in this to thee. Verily Inky is not inked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 As do I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 If I approved of tattoos, that's the one I'd get!If I aproved of lumberjack shirts I'd wear one everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Well played Mr. Cosman, well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 We don't know. It might be just a clever cover up of gangsta tag that has gone horribly wrong. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I see that Stefan is the member most in need of some dismantling and discipline. Duly noted.I agree that "Fellowship" is the best of the trilogy. I'd read the books some years prior, when I was perhaps 14. And I recall being very enthralled by that poster as it clearly hinted at a marvelously rich cinematic adaptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I see that Stefan is the member most in need of some dismantling and discipline. Duly noted.I agree that "Fellowship" is the best of the trilogy. I'd read the books some years prior, when I was perhaps 14. And I recall being very enthralled by that poster as it clearly hinted at a marvelously rich cinematic adaptation.Being already well versed in the visual imagery of Alan Lee and John Howe didn't hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Interestingly I had always been a bit more partial to Ted Nasmith and his sense of Middle-Earthian architecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 As good as the other 2 films are, by making Helms Deep the main focus of TTT, and relegating a significant portion of that book to the third film, I really do think something got lost in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Interestingly I had always been a bit more partial to Ted Nasmith and his sense of Middle-Earthian architecture.That is the only thing he can do right along with breathtaking landscapes with beautiful minute details and wonderful moods. His character portrayal is sadly dismal.As good as the other 2 films are, by making Helms Deep the main focus of TTT, and relegating a significant portion of that book to the third film, I really do think something got lost in the process.I think they bowed to cinematic conventions there. And the chronology of course favours this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I agree with that. Howe and Lee are unrivaled in characters, creatures, armour and weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 As good as the other 2 films are, by making Helms Deep the main focus of TTT, and relegating a significant portion of that book to the third film, I really do think something got lost in the process.I think they bowed to cinematic conventions there. And the chronology of course favours this.I agree. But I really think it reduces the effect ROTK could have had.In the book Sam and Frodo's journey is completely isolated from the rest. slowly descending into utter darkness and near hopelessness. By inter-cutting it with the other story arcs the Sam and Frodo story never has the sense of utter isolation, removed from the rest of Middle Earth that the book does have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yes and the cliffhanger at the end of book 5 was really cool, too.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 As good as the other 2 films are, by making Helms Deep the main focus of TTT, and relegating a significant portion of that book to the third film, I really do think something got lost in the process.I think they bowed to cinematic conventions there. And the chronology of course favours this.I agree. But I really think it reduces the effect ROTK could have had.In the book Sam and Frodo's journey is completely isolated from the rest. slowly descending into utter darkness and near hopelessness. By inter-cutting it with the other story arcs the Sam and Frodo story never has the sense of utter isolation, removed from the rest of Middle Earth that the book does have.Very true. It works much better as a narrative device in the novel than in film. The Black Gate and Frodo's mithril shirt scene lose (admitted by the film makers) any tension of Frodo's fate as it is impossible to abandon Frodo and Sam at that point in the storytelling or intercutting. The characters are horrified and shocked but the audience is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Indeed. And while I'll agree that FotR is the best of the three, RotK had the biggest emotional pay-off. Or at least that was the case with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Indeed. And while I'll agree that FotR is the best of the three, RotK had the biggest emotional pay-off. Or at least that was the case with me.Oh definitely. In the midst of the spectacle the smaller moments and the denouement are supremely emotional, as they should be. Score-wise I am emotionally a wreck every time I listen to the final disc of RotK CR. It just runs the gamut of so many powerful emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I also think not including the great scene from the book where Sam takes the Ring from Frodo in favor of a surprise revalation later on was the wrong thing to do. The whole "Not sleeping...dead" scene isnt nearly as potent as it is in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I also think not including the great scene from the book where Sam takes the Ring from Frodo in favor of a surprise revalation later on was the wrong thing to do. The whole "Not sleeping...dead" scene isnt nearly as potent as it is in the book.Yes the restructuring deprives that cliffhanger a lot of its power. I can only imagine how devastatingly effective it was when the novel first came out and you had to wait months for RotK to be released. Despite the division of the book into three parts, Tolkien knew where and how to end his sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Score-wise I am emotionally a wreck every time I listen to the final disc of RotK CR. It just runs the gamut of so many powerful emotions.It doesn't get better than this: Simple and tranquil it may be, but many tears have been and will continue to be shed with this cue. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Indeed. And while I'll agree that FotR is the best of the three, RotK had the biggest emotional pay-off. Or at least that was the case with me.I agree. parts of it are so incredible moving and uplifting.But it's also the film where PJ most gave in to his own "schlock" excesses, and because it actually contains the densest plot of all three films (its basically half of TTT and all of ROTK apart from The Scouring) it feels rushed, even the 4 hours extended cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The book cliffhangers where great, it's a shame they did not translate to the film at allThey really screwed up all the Sam/Frodo/Shelob stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Indeed. And while I'll agree that FotR is the best of the three, RotK had the biggest emotional pay-off. Or at least that was the case with me.I agree. parts of it are so incredible moving and uplifting.But it's also the film where PJ most gave in to his own "schlock" excesses, and because it actually contains the densest plot of all three films (its basically half of TTT and all of ROTK apart from The Scouring) it feels rushed, even the 4 hours extended cut.It has an enormous amount of story to cover even with some prudent pruning plus there are I think 5 main storylines to follow. Not a small feat to pull it off as well as they did. But PJ's excesses do show quite obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 "The Two Towers" is a war film, "The Return Of The King" is a golden-age mythical epic. The reason I think "Fellowship" edges both out, by however small a margin, is that it is the most unique with regards to its formula. Similar to the usual fantasy fare in broad strokes and story beats (on account of its own influence), but otherwise it feels quite fresh and different than much else before or since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 . But PJ's excesses do show quite obviously.It's also the film where he was to wrap up Arwen's story, and doesnt do a very good job with it.Still those shots of her, seeing her son in a vision, with that music. Breathtaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 "Fellowship" succeeds as the "epic journey" film. It's the film that strikes this perfect balance between large-scale grandeur (with its many locations and depicted cultures) and heartful intimacy with its characters. This combination is what made it so unique an experience. The other films expand on varios aspects of that package and succeed very well but never quite nail the near-perfection of the first film's craftsmanship.RotK is where you see Jackson losing grip on the precision and control with which FotR was made. But for many other reasons, it remains my favourite of the trilogy oierem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's also the film where he was to wrap up Arwen's story, and doesnt do a very good job with it. Still those shots of her, seeing her son in a vision, with that music. Breathtaking. Totally agreed. If a fan was given access to all the filmed footage, a much more satisfying ROTK could be made, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 "The Two Towers" is a war film, "The Return Of The King" is a golden-age mythical epic. The reason I think "Fellowship" edges both out, by however small a margin, is that it is the most unique with regards to its formula. Similar to the usual fantasy fare in broad strokes and story beats (on account of its own influence), but otherwise it feels quite fresh and different than much else before or since.I by far prefer FotR from all three. It is the strongest as an individual story arc and is quite straightforward "quest story" where you have a quite linear road movie to tell. And the novel is really one of the corner stones of the "quest" fantasy literature and it doesn't branch off to different stories yet so it has clarity and set up feel to it where things are allowed to unfold slowly.. But PJ's excesses do show quite obviously.It's also the film where he was to wrap up Arwen's story, and doesnt do a very good job with it.Still those shots of her, seeing her son in a vision, with that music. Breathtaking.Oh and the shadowy variation of the Rivendell theme there followed by the Silver Trumpets theme which transitions to the Gondor theme. Such brilliance!Sadly I can't discuss the Hobbit films with as much enthusiasm for much more than the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 My oversimplified description of the three films' formats has always been road movie, disaster movie and war movie, respectively.I think The Return of the King is the best and the worst of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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