Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Lol, unfortunate choice there; there's people out there who remember The Golden Child well, and love it like so many love The Goonies.Yeah, strangely held in high fond regard by a lot of eighties children, The Golden Child is. I've never actually seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 That's not what I mean by 'remembering'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 You said it was pretty much forgotten, but that was conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 THE GOLDEN CHILD was, per IMDB, 10 millions ahead of FERRIS's 70 million gross. The argument is a paper tiger. The point remains: the rule for classics you try to establish concerns mostly academia. There are myriads of reasons why old Doris Day movies or SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT still last - and they are as elusive to the makers as to people who like to revisit them again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well, I remember the monster success that was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but that doesn't mean the film has any relevance today. San Francisco was the most successful film of its year but it's quite meaningless today. It's not part of today's moviegoers' vocabulary. Blade Runner and Citizen Kane were flops in their day but more people know about them now than they did back then. Unlike these, The Golden Child is not a movie that is being constantly pick up and debated by newer generations. That's what I mean with 'remembering'. History will forget about them, just like it will forget about you or me. Only a few will keep on living.Of course, I have no knowing about how kind history will be for Avatar. I'm only saying that I don't think it will be treated as a great film. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 THE GOLDEN CHILD was, per IMDB, 10 millions ahead of FERRIS's 70 million gross. The argument is a paper tiger. The point remains: the rule for classics you try to establish concerns mostly academia. There are myriads of reasons why old Doris Day movies or SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT still last - and they are as elusive to the makers as to people who like to revisit them again and again.Beautifully put and point well made, I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 History will forget about them, just like it will forget about you or me.History will never forget you, Cremers. History can't forget you, even if it wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 THE GOLDEN CHILD was, per IMDB, 10 millions ahead of FERRIS's 70 million gross. The argument is a paper tiger. The point remains: the rule for classics you try to establish concerns mostly academia. There are myriads of reasons why old Doris Day movies or SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT still last - and they are as elusive to the makers as to people who like to revisit them again and again.Smokey And The Bandit is forgotten. Sorry. Not every (successful) movie is a classic. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well, I remember the monster success that was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but that doesn't mean the film has any relevance today.Hmm, I don't think you grasp or understand this part of the debate properly. Ninja Turtles was big because it came at the height of a Ninja Turtles fad. Fads go out of fashion. A movie like The Cannon Ball Run, or Any Which Way But Loose was never a fad. Those movies live on in the nostalgic hearts of the 'mainstream' in a way Ninja Turtles never can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Fads go out of fashion, movies go out of fashion. Avatar being a fad, it will definitely go out of fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well, I remember the monster success that was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but that doesn't mean the film has any relevance today. San Francisco was the most successful film of its year but it's quite meaningless today. It's not part of today's moviegoers' vocabulary. Blade Runner and Citizen Kane were flops in their day but more people know about them now than they did back then. Unlike these, The Golden Child is not a movie that is being constantly pick up and debated by newer generations. That's what I mean with 'remembering'. History will forget about them, just like it will forget about you or me. Only a few will keep on living.'Today's moviegoer's vocabulary' seems to exist exclusively in nerdy sci-fi forums and scholarly grandstanding. You trot out examples to which there are at least as many counter examples. Nobody talks about Welles' MACBETH but people still know love old LASSIE films, so what?You just hang onto this 'idea' of what are worthy films, but in reality, those precious few films and filmmakers have no bigger bearing on history than abominable Jerry Bruckheimer movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Fads go out of fashion, movies go out of fashion. Avatar being a fad, it will definitely go out of fashion.Maybe you're right, maybe not.My own thoughts on this tangent weren't especially inclusive of Avatar, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You just hang onto this 'idea' of what are worthy films, but in reality, those precious few films and filmmakers have no bigger bearing on history than abominable Jerry Bruckheimer movies.What a strange thought. It's like saying The Beatles have no more influence on the history of pop than any other band.I hang on to my idea that most movies will fade from the memory of mankind and that only the truly great ones will keep emerging from oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Alex, you now seriously drag the Beatles into the arena, who were, if anything, the pop standards of their day. No BLADE RUNNER or CITIZEN KANE slowburn factor there.it's a fact: crass commercial product of course has a bearing on film history, too. Like Fox News has a relevance for US media, regardless of the fact that it's full of shit. So now trying to tell me that TOP GUN, THE ROCK, BAD BOYS and POTC have no meaning in the history of popular culture and thus, film history, seems a bit...futile, i might say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Alex, you now seriously drag the Beatles into the arena, who were, if anything, the pop standards of their day. No BLADE RUNNER or CITIZEN KANE slowburn factor there.I never said greatness and success can't coincide. Blade Runner and Citizen Kane are only examples of how greatness, even without initial recognition, will find its way. When I say greatness has nothing to do with success, it doesn't mean successful movies can't be great. However, success at the box-office doesn't guarantee that people will still be talking, discussing, debating about it decades later. Only the film itself can instigate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yeah, but has to be neither art nor especially mindblowing to do so. At least if you're not restricting talking, discussing, debating to academia, but to regular folk, that's all i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 That's I think where Alex goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Movie fans are regular folk. As long as we keep talking about it, it stays alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't know why people put so much emphasis on other people's experience of movies. We certainly don't do that for other art forms. It's yours and yours only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't know why people put so much emphasis on other people's experience of movies. We certainly don't do that for other art forms. We don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Maybe on Watercolourfans.com they're all bickering and arguing about who should like what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Excellent films can be forgotten too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't know why people put so much emphasis on other people's experience of movies. We certainly don't do that for other art forms. It's yours and yours only.General perception exists about history, sports, painters, politics, music, films, literature, people, fashion, everything. Obviously, it gives you a good idea of what is out there. It's a good indicator for when you are exploring something. Who or what is regarded significant in a certain field? Why? And do you agree with it? Why not? It's almost impossible to have a deep interest in something without becoming aware of the general perception. It's how we know something is perceived as a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Excellent films can be forgotten too.OK, name me one film that is excellent and that you have forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Soon Chaac will claim that only greatness gets forgotten. It's in his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 OK, name me one film that is excellent and that you have forgotten.Sex Lives of the Potato Men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Excellent films can be forgotten too.OK, name me one film that is excellent and that you have forgotten.I can't remember... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 OK, name me one film that is excellent and that you have forgotten.Sex Lives of the Potato MenThat doesn't count!Excellent films can be forgotten too.OK, name me one film that is excellent and that you have forgotten.I can't remember...Don't worry, I'm sure it was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Here's ,a summary of "future film thread"A bunch of Avatar and Avengers sequels for the next 3 summers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Here's ,a summary of "future film thread"A bunch of Avatar and Avengers sequels for the next 3 summersOh and don't forget the gazillion Hulk films that are gonna come up soon....How about we lock this thread before all that happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The are wary of making Hulk films.There are course, lots of films to look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 There are course, lots of films to look forward to. Certainly. I'm sure we're ALL looking so very forward to this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 K.K. Half of the interesting films of a year don't appear until we've well entered it and they have appeared in festivals and such.In sci-fi, I'm looking forward to several flicks the next few years. Certainly not Blade Runner 2, even if it's one of my favourite films since I first saw it.I don't know about Total Recall. I'm been totally out of touch with the first one, the remake of PKD's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Here's ,a summary of "future film thread"A bunch of Avatar and Avengers sequels for the next 3 summersOh and don't forget the gazillion Hulk films that are gonna come up soon....How about we lock this thread before all that happens? Yes I was counting all the Captain America, Iron Man and Thor sequels in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 K.K. Half of the interesting films of a year don't appear until we've well entered it and they have appeared in festivals and such.Do you think I don't know that? I was kidding around Chaac And that post was my bad attempt at a segueway into introducing the new trailer. Of course there are a ton of films to look forward to. I know I'm pretty pessimistic around the summer, but hey, I've still got a lot of movies I'm looking forward to this year I don't know about Total Recall. I'm been totally out of touch with the first one, the remake of PKD's story.I never saw the first one to be honest, but this certainly looks like trash to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I have a list for this year, having only seen The Avengers.The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey –Peter JacksonDjango Unchained –Quentin TarantinoLincoln –Steven SpielbergLife of Pi – Ang LeeCabin in the WoodsMuch Ado About Nothing- Joss WhedonStoker – Park Chan-wookThe Dark Knight Rises – Christopher NolanByzantium – Neil JordanPrometheus – Ridley ScottSkyfall – Sam MendesMoonrise Kingdom – Wes AndersonGod Bless America LooperA Fantastic Fear of EverythingThe Pirates! In an Adventure with ScientistsBeasts of the Southern Wild – Benh ZeitlinThe Master – Paul Thomas AndersonBrave – Mark Andrews y Brenda ChapmanJohn Carter – Andrew StantonCosmopolis – David CronembergGet the Gringo – Adrian GrunbergKilling Them Softly – Andrew DominicFlight – Robert ZemeckisAmour – Michael HanekeJagten – Thomas VinderbergLike Someone in Love – Abbas KiarostomiIn the Fog – Sergei LonitsaMud – Jeff NicholsHoly Motors – Leos CaraxLawless – John HillcoatDe rouille et d'osTo the Wonder – Terrence MalickThe GreyDark Shadows – Tim BurtonThe Amazing Spider-Man – Marc WebbFrankenweenie – Tim BurtonAbraham Lincoln Vampire HunterTedThe DictatorTo Rome With LoveAnd some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 To be honest I'd rather be looking forward to another Star Wars film than the next superhero sequel/rebootAnd I can't wait for Call of Duty, The Movie and a sequel every 2 years for the next 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Another SW movie, ugh.Star Wars is dead as a door nail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Who cares about superheroes there being the nerdy Neil Blomkamp flick to look forward to? I don't understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Star Wars is dead as a door nail.THISOh, and I was unpleasantly surprised to see a pic of Charlize Theron with a shaved head over at Yahoo to promote an upcoming Mad Max movie, which I didn't know was in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Yeah, it's a reboot of the sequel's remake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I recently saw the first two Mad Max movies, for the first time. The first looked very low budget and had a rather morbid tone which put me off, but it was decent. The second was FWOOOAAAAR! Higher budget, cleaner picture, better cinematography, much better to look at, and the tone is far lighter than the first, to the betterment of the movie. Also, I now know what inspired Borderlands' art direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Borderlands, Wasteland, the original Fallout and Fallout 2, yes. Most dystopic post-nuclear holocaust worlds nowadays derive some influence from the Mad Max movies. I even read a discussion of Star Trek V that remarked how its pre-credits introduction invoked that feel. Though I'm sure there were no purple horses in the Mad Max movies, which are on my list of "movies I know I need to see but just haven't yet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Star Wars is dead as a door nail.THISI don't care about Star Wars anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Nowadays Star Wars fandom is reserved for the die-hards and the apologists. It's the uncool cult which has fallen from grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Could happen. We'll see. It's a safer bet though, given the directing/writing talent, so it'd be premature to stock up on pitchforks and timber at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I feel bad for those that cannot de-link lesser parts of a franchise or unnecessary additions and just enjoy what has always been good. That's not an insult, I really feel bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Just a teaser for a big budget 90min web series I absolutely will find far more enjoyable than Prometheus: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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