Tom 4,640 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I suppose that is a leap, though he did go for it in the 70s. I would be happy for a documentary of the recording sessions themselves. I guess we are fortunate to have the BBC documentary that we do, though it would be nice if it were professionally released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I want it to be a fly-on-the-wall, Big Brother kind of thing. Which orchestrator will get voted off first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Showmance between Pope and Eddie Karam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Is Abrams still trying to bump up the release or has that rumor been debunked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's been debunked by the Star Wars twitter page I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I bet your average CBS viewer is the type to swoon upon hearing the strains of Remembrances. It's such a good classical music song. I love how Williams uses the music to convey an emotion in the song. By the way, I have this charming story about John Williams and how he felt unfit to score the film because it was too important.Wasn't it that he felt himself too important TGP, not the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 After we viewed the film, I was speechless for a bit before I could finally turn to Steven and speak. I told him that this crap was quite beneath me and I wasn't sure why he was wasting my time with it. I suggested that he would be better served by hiring some low-rent Strauss-thief to do the score. He said, "I know John, but they're all dead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Let's be honest, does Williams REALLY need to see a complete, start-to-finish rough cut of a Star Wars movie to start writing the score?He can write a Star Wars score in his sleep at this point (see Attack of the Clones). As long as JJ is feeding him fresh reels every few weeks, and gave him an overall idea of key themes he wants explored musically (a new Sith theme, some themes for the new characters, probably a Han Solo motif seeing as he's the lead in Ep7, plus new variations on the Force theme, Leia's theme, Luke's theme, etc.), there's no need for Williams to see a rough cut of the whole film before he starts working.Besides, his priority is Spielberg so he likely stipulated the score needed to be done before July when he starts work on St. James Place. I wouldn't be surprised if they record TFA as early as June and worry about pickups closer to release, ala Tintin, when his schedule is clear again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The process on Tintin was different. Because it was animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The process on Tintin was different. Because it was animation.Yeah, the only similarity I was really referring to was the idea of recording a score in two sessions, months apart. An initial session that basically covers the whole film in its current state, then a session closer to release for scenes that were re-worked/re-edited after the initial sessions.I'm sure if Tintin hadn't changed so much throughout post, the second sessions wouldn't have been necessary. Similarly, if JW records TFA in June/July, but Abrams pulls a Lucas and re-edits the whole film, JW might have to do another 3 or 4 days of pickups in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The process on Tintin was different. Because it was animation.And it didn't work out, eventually, as they needed a second batch of sessions. When Williams wrote the music, he was under the assumption that the plan was to synchronize the imagery to the music.I think Williams aims to score at least nearly-completed portions of the film, this time, instead of having to rewrite half of the score during or after the recording sessions because of problems regarding the synchronization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm sure if Tintin hadn't changed so much throughout post, the second sessions wouldn't have been necessary. Similarly, if JW records TFA in June/July, but Abrams pulls a Lucas and re-edits the whole film, JW might have to do another 3 or 4 days of pickups in November.Or Abrams will pull a Lucas with the music too, and won't bother organizing second sessions but instead will just edit the music Williams will already have recorded to make it fit with the new edit of the film!Well that's the obvious, easy thing to do.Hopefully Peter Jackson is also in his ear providing tips about how to dial out any "excessive" musical moments in favour of sound effects and silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Fortunately in Peter Jackson's cut of A New Hope, Binary Sunset is dialled out in favour of sounds of desert winds and wampa rats screeching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The process on Tintin was different. Because it was animation. And it didn't work out, eventually, as they needed a second batch of sessions. When Williams wrote the music, he was under the assumption that the plan was to synchronize the imagery to the music.I think Williams aims to score at least nearly-completed portions of the film, this time, instead of having to rewrite half of the score during or after the recording sessions because of problems regarding the synchronization.Why do you think it didn't work out? Its a very standard practice for animated movies to have the scores recorded very early in the production so the animators can use it.I'm sure a second set of sessions was always part of the plan to adjust the changes the film went though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm fairly certain Williams describes it that way in the music featurette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 He can write a Star Wars score in his sleep at this point (see Attack of the Clones).Bollocks to that. Once and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He can write a Star Wars score in his sleep at this point (see Attack of the Clones).Bollocks to that.Comfortably the weakest of the six scores for my liking.The other two prequels are filled to the brim with enthusiastic writing and orchestration, and the OT speaks for itself.AOTC, Across the Stars aside, just feels like Williams was completely bored writing that score (who can blame him?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He can write a Star Wars score in his sleep at this point (see Attack of the Clones).Bollocks to that.Comfortably the weakest of the six scores for my liking.The other two prequels are filled to the brim with enthusiastic writing and orchestration, and the OT speaks for itself.AOTC, Across the Stars aside, just feels like Williams was completely bored writing that score (who can blame him?)There are a few other stand out cues, but overall I agree. I think Williams did the best he could considering the material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Fortunately in Peter Jackson's cut of A New Hope, Binary Sunset is dialled out in favour of sounds of desert winds and wampa rats screeching.Farting, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Peter Jackson does fart jokes? Taking a cue from Lucas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Peter Jackson does fart jokes? Taking a cue from Lucas?The student has become the master. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Arpy and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Jackson is a far better filmmaker then Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 But Lucas might be a more resourceful editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2015 AOTC, Across the Stars aside, just feels like Williams was completely bored writing that score (who can blame him?)Actually, I'd a take a numbers of cues over ACROSS THE STARS--all of which are far more colourful and inventive. The Arena, Finale, Zam the Assassin & Chase Through Coruscant, The Tusken Camp/The Homestead, Main Title/Ambush on Coruscant and the second half of Bounty Hunter's Pursuit--these are all wonderfully atmospheric and exotic cues, and are up with there the best of the prequel trilogy. oierem, Smeltington and Incanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The complete score has a lot more to offer than the soundtrack album - Chamber of Secrets suffers from the same problem. Once and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not sure the assault of gloomy adagios in ROTS is necessarily better, either as music or as dramatic film accompaniment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 That's part of the reason I enjoy it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 That's part of the reason I enjoy it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'm not sure the assault of gloomy adagios in ROTS is necessarily better, either as music or as dramatic film accompaniment.You're right. They're both equally exquisite. Cerebral Cortex and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Whatever label you want to stick on it. The widespread notion that AOTC is a work of shame just shows you that swarm intelligence is a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 SW 77 is a work of triumph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Jackson is a far better filmmaker then Lucas.and yet he has never made a better film than Star Wars. Ricard and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Jackson is a far better filmmaker then Lucas. I thought people were disappointed with The Hobbit, just like they were with The Prequels. Jackson is mirroring Lucas' career. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 They are far better made then the Prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 They are far better made then the Prequels.There's a difference between someone who's not able to direct a coherent movie using CG effects and someone who's trying to make a film where dwarves are the heroes (ha ha ha).Peter Jackson: "I want to borrow money for making a movie where dwarves will be the heroes"Bank Guy: "Are you making a sort of sequel to Snow White?"Peter Jackson: "Sort of"Bank Guy: "OK."LOLIt's sooooo ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I don't get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 He's insulting Peter Jackson for conceiving a trilogy featuring dwarves as some of the main characters!Stone him! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sorry, is there any dwarves in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We just have to face that the guys behind our favorite trilogies don't do anything great anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Hmmm, I wonder how much of the score is already written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Or if we'll get a preview before the soundtrack is released? I doubt it, but I'm hoping we'll hear some more of Williams' original music when the trailer is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I hope he does a Boston Pops preview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 That would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Why is it weird having a dwarf be a hero? And PJ going to the bank makes no sense. They actually went to him begging him to make these movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 With dwarves you usually do... a Ewok.. or a R2-D2 you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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