What makes a great Williams score for you?

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I think it's more Williams's chorale style. The passages he marks 'Religioso' in the score.

[Ludwig 1,120]

You mean homophonic choral passages? That's what I'm talking about. It's basically how Williams treats the choir.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Homophobic?

[Quintus 5,399]

Lmao

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its no laughing matter Lee!

Genius or not, Williams should treat the choir as he treats everyone else. Even if they are a bunch of nancies.

[King Mark 3,625]

Here's the most simple answer to this thread

When the recording sessions/complete score become an obsession to get, it means it's a great Williams score. And I mean more than scratch it off the list for collecting purpose

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

You mean homophonic choral passages? That's what I'm talking about. It's basically how Williams treats the choir.

Yes, but not just choir. In many of these examples (i.e. the forest opening from E.T.) they're absent. Two other common features are diatonic parallelism and modality.

Edit: I like King Mark's answer. I'd say that's the same for me.

[King Mark 3,625]

I mean , say what you will of the SW prequel scores, but a lot of us spend hundred of hours poring over videogame files to make an expanded score.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Not me!

[Ludwig 1,120]

You mean homophonic choral passages? That's what I'm talking about. It's basically how Williams treats the choir.

Yes, but not just choir. In many of these examples (i.e. the forest opening from E.T.) they're absent. Two other common features are diatonic parallelism and modality.

Ok, but I think there's a conflation of a few quite different emotions in the list of examples. Probably best to distinguish positive from negative or mysteriously ambiguous.

[karelm 2,903]

You mean homophonic choral passages? That's what I'm talking about. It's basically how Williams treats the choir.

Yes, but not just choir. In many of these examples (i.e. the forest opening from E.T.) they're absent. Two other common features are diatonic parallelism and modality.

Right, this is what I think of when thinking of JW's religioso style. The choir is just an orchestrational touch to help sell the mood.

Also, what about "The Mountain" from Close Encounters (especially 0:49)?

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I think that's more impressionist than what Thor's referring to.

Here are the three key features from his examples -

- A deep bass or pedal point

- Parallelism (can be diatonic like Final Duel or chromatic like the Ark Theme)

- Block chords

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

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You have a tendency to overanalyse. But no harm done. Noone cares a shit.

Edit: It this shit doesn't work for mobile, why should I donate?

It was for Pub.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

You have a tendency to overanalyse.

Which one of us?

You mean homophonic choral passages? That's what I'm talking about. It's basically how Williams treats the choir.

Yes, but not just choir. In many of these examples (i.e. the forest opening from E.T.) they're absent. Two other common features are diatonic parallelism and modality.

Ok, but I think there's a conflation of a few quite different emotions in the list of examples. Probably best to distinguish positive from negative or mysteriously ambiguous.

That's true, but all of these examples evoke a feeling of spiritual awe.

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

Pub

[Quintus 5,399]

I mean , say what you will of the SW prequel scores, but a lot of us spend hundred of hours poring over videogame files to make an expanded score.

Do you literally ADORE every single cue and every single note of the prequel scores, KM?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Some of it is a bit boring. Like he no longer cared to be working with that bearded flannelled numbskull!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The Prequels are exactly the type of score that would suffer from a super complete release. Much like KOCS did.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I think AOTC is fine on album but I do miss the funeral music and the tense music afterward when Anakin and m'lady make contact with Mace Windu.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

All 3 scores would benefit from EXPANDED score releases that included the missing highlights, but not from complete "every single note included" versions.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

They should be given a treatment as lavish and comprehensive as the FSM blue box!

[Faleel 5,340]

All 3 scores would benefit from EXPANDED score releases that included the missing highlights, but not from complete "every single note included" versions.

Idiot!

It would result in a disjointed listening experience!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I disagree. There are plenty of moments in the Prequels where the music just isnt all that interesting. These films are overscored anyway, and Johnny's hearts wasnt in it as much with the last 2.

[Thor 7,465]

What about 'The Forest' from E.T.?

Oh, absolutely! Those angelic chords during the total of the tall trees is a great example, and I can't believe I forgot it since I wrote my thesis on this score, among other things.

It makes the forest look and sound like a cathedral, which makes sense given the ET's strong and almost religious connection to Nature and plants.

I think that's more impressionist than what Thor's referring to.

Here are the three key features from his examples -

- A deep bass or pedal point

- Parallelism (can be diatonic like Final Duel or chromatic like the Ark Theme)

- Block chords

You said it better than I.

For many of them, there is also a strong woodwind presence.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

And isn't ET meant to be a Jesus metaphor? With all the miracles and resurrection stuff?

[Thor 7,465]

In a way, maybe.