nightscape94 965 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't use IMDb's list to judge if a film is actually good, bad or overrated, otherwise Fight Club is legitimately in the top 10 movies of all time. Shawshank is still a great film, certainly some leeway can be afforded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't use IMDb's list to judge if a film is actually good or badI'm not interested in the list but I use IMDb a lot. In one view, I know the score of IMDb-ers and Metacritic. And usually they are about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 You mean... you memorise the scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You do! Just admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Like Rain Man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 And then he dreams of electric sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Wow...that IMDb top 250 is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There's no sheep in Blade Runner, only in PKD's mind. Fortunately Scott changed sheep into unicorns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmsway 6 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Lol.VERTIGO's a pinnacle of the artform? Try INTOLERANCE, NOUVELLE VAGUE, PASSION OF JOAN THE ARC or SANSHO DAYU.We've been over this before, but Vertigo belongs in the same tier as those films.While The Departed is pretty lame, there are many other Scorsese films more deserving of placement on the list (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think it falls in the same category as Inception in terms of how people perceive it.KarolHardy har, but no, not really. Too early to say if Inception is perceived as being a "beloved" classic like Shawshank is. Tell me again in another ten years if Inception is considered as being timeless.Another major difference is Inception was never, ever a sleeper which slowly earned its popularity and status due to slowly spreading positive word of mouth in a time before mobile phones and Facebook. Shawshank was never a fashion accessory film, it was never viral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Lol.VERTIGO's a pinnacle of the artform? Try INTOLERANCE, NOUVELLE VAGUE, PASSION OF JOAN THE ARC or SANSHO DAYU.We've been over this before, but Vertigo belongs in the same tier as those films.It belongs to the same tier as THE RED SHOES, and other examples of bourgeois thanato-erotic self-indulgence.While The Departed is pretty lame, there are many other Scorsese films more deserving of placement on the list (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas).With the exception of TAXI DRIVER (which is pretty deserving of its reputation), I agree. Throw in CASINO too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I don't think Casino is overrated, is it? It was never as good as Goodfellas nor considered to be. The Green Mile I'd put on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Hmm. You're probably right in general. Just depends what circles you move in I guess.I'd put in THE DEER HUNTER. Much better Cimino films out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Heavens Gate is overrated crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Underrated, more like. THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Its supposedly the movie that changed Hollywood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Hmm. You're probably right in general. Just depends what circles you move in I guess.Oh I know what you mean. Casino, like Scarface, is widely regarded as a cool butch masterpiece by teenage boys and hoodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I thought it was mediocre (the Thunderbolt and Lightfoot thingie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I must confess that Eastwood and the Dude hitting the road in a convertible pretty much won me over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 One of those rare great movies? A masterpiece? Mr. Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yes. I stand by it! *but remember, i also have seen JAWS 3-D four times and 2001 once...barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I've never seen in, but I did see a snippet one time. Bridges instantly drew me in. I'll have to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yes. I stand by it! *but remember, i also have seen JAWS 3-D four times and 2001 once...barely.*bitch slaps* Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Another major difference is Inception was never, ever a sleeper which slowly earned its popularity and status due to slowly spreading positive word of mouth in a time before mobile phones and Facebook. Shawshank was never a fashion accessory film, it was never viral.It wasn't a sleeper, but neither was it a sure hit. Great carte blanche vanity projects from directors rarely make a lot of money. Besides, the film wasn't related to a popular brand, wasn't a sequel, and didn't have a 3D release (or anything like that) The trailers were actually quite vague and nobody quite knew what it was all about. The only thing it had is that the ad campaign resembled slightly The Dark Knight one. So yeah, word of mouth and solid early reviews did wonders.I thought it was going to break even, but no more than that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 No, I remember '94 very clearly. Shawshank was every bit the sleeper. It was initially smothered by Forrest Gump, Four Weddings and Pulp Fiction. At the Oscars that year Shawshank was merely "that other nominated movie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Not a sure hit?Nolan was huge! It had Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I was talking about Inception. Not a sure hit?Nolan was huge! It had Leo.As I say, these kind of things rarely take off the way, say, Batman film would. It has no launching platforms. And filmmaker's name is never as strong as you might think. Hardly a selling point for a massive blockbusters.And Leo? What kind of massive releases did he have? Besides, Titanic, that is?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Inception was an 'event' movie, Karol??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 If you go back two years back, no one quite knew if Inception is going to do big business. They knew it was going to probably make its money back, based on Nolan's reputation. But, other than that, it was a wild card. Many analysts called it a "difficult sell" (some even predicted a flop). But the relentless campaing paid off.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah that's a different conversation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 It was the hype, simply put. Nolan was fresh off the success of TDK, and Leo was back in public consciousness after BLOOD DIAMOND and THE DEPARTED. Typically a filmmaker's name is never a strong bet, but there a few exceptions like Tarantino. Chris Nolan is another.I remember the marketing very well. It was similar to THE MATRIX, in that you were forced to ask - 'what the flying f*ck IS "Inception"?' 'What's that spinning top all about?' 'Is this a bit of Zimmer's score we're hearing in the teaser?'Very clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yes. I stand by it! *but remember, i also have seen JAWS 3-D four times and 2001 once...barely.*bitch slaps*Am I the only one who saw Jaws 3D in the cinema...in actual 3D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 I was still a sperm and a egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 As a general rule "overrated" applies to a lot of Oscar Bait films. Now it's obvious movies like Jaws, E.T. Star Wars SHOULD have won best movie Oscars, but it was overrated crap like Hannah and Her Sisters and Kramer vs Kramer that won everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 How was the 3D Mark?They should rerelease it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 it was pretty good, I remember the floating fish head at the beginningThere was a mini 3D fad back in the days with Friday the 13th 3D, Spacehunter, Treasure of the Four Crowns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 They should rerelease these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Jaws 3D should never see the light of day again and should be buried in the same pit in Mexico where Atari E.T. games are. Sharkissimo and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I can watch Jaws 3D guilt free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Its a good rainy sunday night film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Can you do that with Jaws: The Revenge?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brown 91 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 SKYFALL is great, INCEPTION is a piece of sh*t. On another (lesser) Internet forum, I was told by a wannabe Hollywood screenwriter that I wasn't smart enough to understand INCEPTION and that's ultimately why I disliked it.I think Tarantino and Peter Jackson are overrated, as well. Jackson's films are at least watchable, for the most part.Oh, and BODY DOUBLE is the greatest film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Its a good rainy sunday night filmA lot of films are like that, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Most films are sunday night films, actually. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Can you do that with Jaws: The Revenge?I can supply the smart drugs that make that possible.SKYFALL is great, INCEPTION is a piece of sh*t. Watch some Pia Zadora movies from the 80's and make that statement again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmsway 6 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Lol. VERTIGO's a pinnacle of the artform? Try INTOLERANCE, NOUVELLE VAGUE, PASSION OF JOAN THE ARC or SANSHO DAYU.We've been over this before, but Vertigo belongs in the same tier as those films.It belongs to the same tier as THE RED SHOES, and other examples of bourgeois thanato-erotic self-indulgence.I love it when you call something "bourgeois." It makes me giggle. While The Departed is pretty lame, there are many other Scorsese films more deserving of placement on the list (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas).With the exception of TAXI DRIVER (which is pretty deserving of its reputation), I agree. Throw in CASINO too.Taxi Driver is confused in deeply problematic ways, even though it's undeniably potent. I'm not sure if Casino really belongs in the "overrated" category; it's always seemed to me that it's widely regarded as Goodfellas' less desirable cousin. I like the way it ends, if not much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 While The Departed is pretty lame, there are many other Scorsese films more deserving of placement on the list (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas).With the exception of TAXI DRIVER (which is pretty deserving of its reputation), I agree. Throw in CASINO too.Taxi Driver is confused in deeply problematic ways, even though it's undeniably potent.Say wha?Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmsway 6 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Taxi Driver is confused in deeply problematic ways, even though it's undeniably potent.Say wha?Please elaborate.You can draw a clear line between Taxi Driver and Fight Club. I don't mean to equate the two films, exactly; Taxi Driver is undeniably superior to Fight Club in practically every way, and is not plagued by the latter's smugness. But Taxi Driver, like Fight Club, is nevertheless so fixated on a charismatic, misanthropic figure and so immersed in his muddled worldview that it struggles to extricate itself. Mr. Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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