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I'm up to the last act of Attack of the Clones.

Some quick thoughts:

Phantom is a good score. It is easily the strongest of the three and few people will debate that. I still don't think it's on the level of the original scores.

Clones is an extremely low-key score, especially for being Star Wars. As I recall of the film, it is very (shitty) dialogue heavy and the music is just kinda there, rarely drawing attention to istelf, but serving some purpose. It actually reminds me a lot of Star Trek TV scoring in the 90s.

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I love TPM and it's definitely the best prequel score, but I agree that the OT music is better. Williams kind of reinvented the Star Wars sound for TPM and it's the music that makes the film "watchable" to me... even in it's hacked up form.

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I'm up to the last act of Attack of the Clones.

Some quick thoughts:

Phantom is a good score. It is easily the strongest of the three and few people will debate that. I still don't think it's on the level of the original scores.

Clones is an extremely low-key score, especially for being Star Wars. As I recall of the film, it is very (shitty) dialogue heavy and the music is just kinda there, rarely drawing attention to istelf, but serving some purpose. It actually reminds me a lot of Star Trek TV scoring in the 90s.

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Yes, but the Finale of AotC is probably the best single cue in the prequels.

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When the Imperial March kicked in, the first time I heard it, I wept.

I agree that this is a completely kick-ass moment.

More thoughts:

- Phantom oozes that magical fairy tale vibe you'll find in Williams score of similar styles, such as Hook and Harry Potter. This is missing from Clones and Sith. It isn't a unique score--many cues to me sound interchangeable with Hook and other scores of this style.

- Qui-Gon's theme gets two thumbs up from me. Perhaps my favorite cue from Phantom is Darth and Qui-Gon!

- I've always loved the Coruscant music

- The vocal in Yoda Strikes Back just doesn't sound right to me...too Lord of the Rings or something and not Star Wars. I couldn't help but recall the rejected music from Departure of Boba Fett, as well as Luke Pursues the Captives, where the Williams of that era masterfully turned the benevolent Yoda's romantic theme into action music...here, it just doesn't feel right.

- Love the A.I.-esque vocal for the Emperor at the end of Clones--overall, a great finale, but this moment stands out as my favorite for some reason.

- Sith has a lot of awesome cues, but it just doesn't feel complete to me.

- Williams delivered perfect music for major sequences: Anakin's turn, the killing of the Jedi, the fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan and the immolation scene. Wow!

- Not a fan of Williams quoting earlier music in Sith: the Qui-Gon funeral music was great in Phantom, but it just doesn't fit here. As I recall from the film, it felt totally overblown and ridiculous. I also don't like the use of The Duel from Empire when Yoda and Palpatine fight. This was a pivotal moment for two characters with established themes--musically, it feels totally unsatisfying and disappointing. I Am the Senate was much better, but it still kinda meanders, like a lot of cues in these scores.

- Sith's end credits go on for way too long. Leia's Theme and The Throne Room, while good performances, feel out of place and it's pretty disappointing after stellar end credit suites for Phantom and Clones.

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- Not a fan of Williams quoting earlier music in Sith: the Qui-Gon funeral music was great in Phantom, but it just doesn't fit here. As I recall from the film, it felt totally overblown and ridiculous.

But it was the best thing about that scene. Almost made it poignant!

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I don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

I think Williams went overboard with the choral stuff in the Prequels, especially Sith. I didn't like it there and I didn't like it in Grievous Travels to Palpatine, which is a bit too Potter-esque, but a good cue otherwise.

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I have a hard time deciding which one is best, they all have good and bad points about them.

Yes I feel mostly the same way.

The Phantom Menace for all its iconic and memorable highlights, certainly worthy of Star Wars, contains excessive amounts of very nondescript underscore material that doesn't really do much, except when suddenly interrupted with yet another Williams stock fanfare. True, each planet seems to have it's own colour palette established by composer. But I never get a sense of dramatic forward motion from those passages. Plus, I feel it doesn't do nearly enough with its (otherwise very good) themes. But still, it remains as the most remembered of this trilogy. But, as I said, it's down to highlights, rather than whole thing.

Attack of the Clones is, as E.T. pointed out, quite low-key. After the colourful and breezy TPM, the tone shifts to vaguely suspenseful material and relatively monochrome texture throughout. And yet I can't help to think that this is the only prequel score that has some kind of sustained identity and structure. The unifying elements being beautiful love theme and extensive use of percussion. It does establish a certain sound that Williams would start to explore for the rest of 00's decade. And it does contain some of the best material in the prequel trilogy - Coruscant chase, Tusken Camp, Arena, finale, even conveyor belt.

Revenge of the Sith has the least amount of filler and indeed most of the material is really strong. But, it has even a bigger identity crisis than TPM. Williams never really gives his work on this film a clear enough identity. Star Wars films are generally known for their catchy themes but this one doesn't contain any. Battle of the Heroes is a really cool piece of an underscore and, as a ceterpiece, has much more in common with The Forest Battle and The Asteroid Field than it does with Across the Stars, Princess Leia's theme or even Duel of the Fates. Well composed and finally fulfills some dramatic role in this trilogy. But also feels incoherent and anonymous in the grand scheme of things.

Karol - who genrally chooses Attack of the Clones these days.

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It's the perfect march for settling trade disputes.

It's like the European Court has its own theme tune ;)

They would only allow muted horns though. Because of stringent health and safety regulations regarding the capping of noise.

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Quigon's funeral in padme's death is a re-recording so it is meh and unfitting.

On the other hand, the instrumental version of Padme's funeral is a highlight. And the Imperial march counterpoint ...

I think i'm the only one that thinks qui-gon's funeral is rooted in Yoda's death (and dark side beckons..)... and padme's funeral really seems more like it because it has no choir.

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I want to listen to them again, but they kinda burnt me out yesterday.

I forgot to mention that I followed up the utterly unrelated end credits for Revenge of the Sith with the score that started it all: Star Wars, my Anthology playlist. I have to say, it's immediate apparent how different the Prequel scores are. There's just nothing like that flourish where the droids escape from the blockade runner anywhere to be found in the Prequels.

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Clones is an extremely low-key score, especially for being Star Wars. As I recall of the film, it is very (shitty) dialogue heavy and the music is just kinda there, rarely drawing attention to istelf, but serving some purpose. It actually reminds me a lot of Star Trek TV scoring in the 90s.

I agree with myself. Perhaps this is why Clones is my favorite of the Prequels? Cat's out of the bag, but I believe I've made this public in the past. In my opinion, it has the most interesting underscore once you remove it from the film, where it's mostly lost in the awful sound mix of a truly bad movie. Listen to that awesome Fury/V'Ger/Vertigo-esque mystery motif in The Meeting With Fett, Rainy Ramp and The Arrival at Tatooine. Just awesome. In that musical excursion to Tatooine, it's evident Williams believed he was scoring a good film. For the longest time I didn't know there was a secondary motif for Anakin in this score. It isn't used nearly enough, but it's there. I'm still a proponent of the electric guitar in the chase through Coruscant. The one blunder for me is not the Love Theme abruptly ending when they first kiss, but Yoda Strikes Back. I don't know, this cue just never felt right.

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I thought the love theme abruptly cutting out when Padme pulls away was the best thing about that scene. All it needed was the vinyl record scratch sound and it would have been perfect.

It's great if you're (understandably) hate-watching the movie. It totally undercuts the scene.

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I thought the love theme abruptly cutting out when Padme pulls away was the best thing about that scene. All it needed was the vinyl record scratch sound and it would have been perfect.

It's great if you're (understandably) hate-watching the movie. It totally undercuts the scene.

Not really. I thought it suited the scene's sense of playfulness. It gave me a genuine chuckle when I first saw it.

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I just hope the Force Awakens is a quality score unlike aotc and rots.. there is great music in rots but it's all from star wars. But John had nothing to work with. The first time John Williams said the F word it was when he said you gotta be fucking kidding me after seeing a rough cut of aotc. He said it again 3 years later.

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I just hope the Force Awakens is a quality score unlike aotc and rots.. there is great music in rots but it's all from star wars. But John had nothing to work with. The first time John Williams said the F word it was when he said you gotta be fucking kidding me after seeing a rough cut of aotc. He said it again 3 years later.

He didn't say the same thing for TPM?

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He was fooled into thinking that one was actually a good film because they used real locations, the guy from Schindler was in it and he was just too busy trying to deliver a quality score.

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I just hope the Force Awakens is a quality score unlike aotc and rots.. there is great music in rots but it's all from star wars. But John had nothing to work with. The first time John Williams said the F word it was when he said you gotta be fucking kidding me after seeing a rough cut of aotc. He said it again 3 years later.

He didn't say the same thing for TPM?

Its got a Star Wars feel. The only film of the three that does.
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Red Tails is one of the ugliest movies I've ever seen. Must be the camera brand Lucas prefers. However, I've noticed that I've consistently liked the look of digital movies shot with the Arri Alexa, such as Godzilla and The Avengers.

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Clones sounds hissy and subdued. Sith is just weird and the percussion sounds terrible. Damn you, Shawn Murphy! I hope if these are ever released in expanded/complete form, their sound can be salvaged from the original elements, similar to the Ultimate Phantom Menace.

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I think it all comes down to the arrangement/performance. I'm not a fan of the A theme in the concert version, but it sounds awesome in the score itself, like in Love Pledge and the Finale.

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