#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Its biggest flaw is that it poses an interesting moral dilemma, the mutant cure, and never goes anywhere with it.After the big battle there is a happy, inspirational ending. But what are they celebrating? Is the cure still there? Is it no longer? The movie no longer seems to care.It also suffers from having too many mutants, defined only by their powers rather then being seen as characters. And a big epic battle which has the 2 most powerfull characters as spectators through most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I wonder if Pierrot Le fou and Le Mempris that i want to watch too have the same way of editing...LE MEPRIS is a pretty straight-forward romantic drama without Godard's usual bells and whistles. It's worth watching for Delerue in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Its biggest flaw is that it poses an interesting moral dilemma, the mutant cure, and never goes anywhere with it.After the big battle there is a happy, inspirational ending. But what are they celebrating? Is the cure still there? Is it no longer? The movie no longer seems to care.It also suffers from having too many mutants, defined only by their powers rather then being seen as characters. And a big epic battle which has the 2 most powerfull characters as spectators through most of it.That's exactly what I'm referring to, too much story for 104 minutes. Either go the Cure route or a proper Jean/Dark Phoenix film, don't mix them and do a half-assed job. If you're going to mix them up, you need to make sure it pays off for the audience.I'm curious why Bryan Singer picked Simon Kinberg to write Days of Future Past, considering how X-Men 3 turned out script-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Well wasn't Singer slated to originally direct that before he moved on the Superman?There are parts of the film that really do work, and other parts that could have worked had they focused the story better, cut some of the mutants out and give it some breathing room.The Logan/Rogue friendhsip was the central part of the first X-Men. In the third film thats reduced to a 2 minute conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I only ever saw this X-MEN movie and found it a fucking boring mess, right down to John Powell's hopeless tries to ennoble it with Barry/Williams sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The film mooches on the emotional connections established by the first two films. I'm sure if you watch it without having seen the others, it's all meaningless drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Difference for difference's sake, not serving any real purpose. I know what you mean but they wanted to use different styles and techniques to tell a story. Finding new ways for expressing yourself, mostly by experimenting ... That was the purpose! And it had a serious impact on film in general. For instance, the mindset of the French New Wave directors strongly influenced the American cinema of the late '60s and early '70s (that includes Spielberg). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I only ever saw this X-MEN movie and found it a fucking boring mess, right down to John Powell's hopeless tries to ennoble it with Barry/Williams sounds.Harsh, but I agree to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm sure Publi means the Elfman/Kamen/Barry/Williams sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I can't remember Powell's music. I just found the film dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Difference for difference's sake, not serving any real purpose. I know what you mean but they wanted to use different styles and techniques to tell a story. Finding new ways for expressing yourself, mostly by experimenting ... That was the purpose! And it had a serious impact on film in general. For instance, the mindset of the French New Wave directors strongly influenced the American cinema of the late '60s and early '70s (that includes Spielberg).I see..yes, i think we had talked about Midnight Cowboy (at the time I had watched it), how it was influenced in the party scene by the French wave (in the way it was edited).Don't remember any other Hollywood film right now..Maybe Seconds (1966)? (again i think in the feast scene) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herosix 1 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Godard and Truffaut launched the French New Wave. They were first of their kind.Seriously, what do you find... special in French films ? (We know they are known worldwide, but... we don't know why ^^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's about Godard, Resnais and Chabrol etc. for fench's sake, not Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Personally, I don't find anything special in French films, or English films, or Japanese films. I either like them, or I don't, but I know that some people favour films from one country over another. I'd like to know why, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 yes, i think we had talked about Midnight Cowboy (at the time I had watched it), how it was influenced in the party scene by the French wave (in the way it was edited).Don't remember any other Hollywood film right now..Maybe Seconds (1966)? (again i think in the feast scene)Have you ever seen Woody Allen's movies, filmmusic?"The French New Wave has influenced all film-makers who have worked since, whether they saw the films or not. It submerged cinema like a tidal wave." - Martin Scorsese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herosix 1 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's about Godard, Resnais and Chabrol etc. for fench's sake, not Bienvenue chez les Ch'tis.I see.My god, this movie... I want to puke. Very overrated in France.Richard, maybe some people prefer discover other... kind of film ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm all for discovering films, but (and I hate to be all reductionist about this) all films are just projections of images and sound on to a screen. You either like 'em, or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Or you just want to make different ones by yourself. That's what the Nouvelle Vague did. And that was at a certain point in history (late 50's) so i don't see much gain in discussing films of certain nations as if french (or japanese or austrian) films in the 2000's are the same as 50 years before.That is like watching CITIZEN KANE and complaining that it isn't anything special - which it clearly was in 1940. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Actually, "Citizen Kane" was nothing in 1940. In 1941, however...I'm talking about the ways in which people react to films, and not the ways in which they are made. The way people react has been exactly the same since the first films were released. That is to say the the audience's experience/perception of the film, is far more important to how films are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It was made in 1940!!! (and released on January 1st 1941). Smartass!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It was indeed nothing when it was first released. Williams Randolph Hearst used all his influence and power to make sure of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 What do you think of the film Alex?It's one of these "cinema classics" that leave me cold, save an admiration for it's craftsmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I didn't get it at first, loved it when I was in my thirties, left me somewhat cold when I saw it a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It was made in 1940!!! (and released on January 1st 1941). Smartass!!A rough-cut (which I am pretty sure you didn't attend) was held in early January, but the US premiere was in May, 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Much like Robocop and Total Recall.I've never seen those. Might be a good opportunity for tonight's double feature.Speaking of Verhoeven, I always loved Basic Instinct. Probably one of the most entertaining films ever made. The way he balances on the verge of total kitsch is amazing. One of Jerry's finest works as well, in my opinion. The most effective, anyway.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 yes, i think we had talked about Midnight Cowboy (at the time I had watched it), how it was influenced in the party scene by the French wave (in the way it was edited).Don't remember any other Hollywood film right now..Maybe Seconds (1966)? (again i think in the feast scene)Have you ever seen Woody Allen's movies, filmmusic?"The French New Wave has influenced all film-makers who have worked since, whether they saw the films or not. It submerged cinema like a tidal wave." - Martin ScorseseI have seen Hanna and her sisters recently, and long long ago Bullets over Broadway, Mighty Aphrodite and Everyone Says I love you.But really, he seems to be one of my least favourite directors.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Where's Jess Franco when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Karol, both Robocop and Total Recall wipe the floor with Basic Instinct, which I think is a mediocre but, ahem, watchable flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I shall watch them then.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I shall watch them then.KarolIt would be great if you had a Bluray player and could watch the bluray of Total Recall! It's one of the greatest Blurays in terms of quality! I love that film! And the Goldsmith score... one of the greatest action-sci-fi scores.Can't say anything for Robocop, since I don't have it (yet). (it's been recently remastered and the reviews are excellent too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Karol, both Robocop and Total Recall wipe the floor with Basic Instinct, which I think is a mediocre but, ahem, watchable flick.TOTAL RECALL is a bit daft, though this and BI are ideal showcases for what filmmusic can do for a genre movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Total Recall has the weird conceit of having a basically ordinary man who turns out to be a super-spy (or not) be played by Ah'nuld. He is actually completely miscast in this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 So, was Farell a better choice in the remake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I havent seen the remake. Why would one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Because it has the three-breasted woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Does she show them in the remake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herosix 1 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Does she show them in the remake? WARNING: NOT SAFE FOR WORK! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_cS_ua1-Nh8/UjK0BlnSJ8I/AAAAAAAADY8/HHwHxv5bg8A/s400/rec3.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Impressive...most impressive.jason will remove them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Then save to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Jason LeBlanc\My Documents\My Pictures\Wank Bank' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Linking to NSFW content is totally fine, you shouldn't put it in an actual post here though, even in a spoiler block. I changed it to a hotlink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Double Indemnity. Classic noir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Verhoeven would be proud.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 TOTAL RECALL is a bit daft, though this and BI are ideal showcases for what filmmusic can do for a genre movie.Nowadays Total Recall borders on downright camp in places. Eminently watchable due to an Arnie at the top of his cheesy charismatic game, an absolute bevy of classic corny lines and of course Goldsmith's epic enhancement which makes everything feel more high end than it really is. It's a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Total Recall wasn't exactly 2001 or Blade Runner back then either. I should know, I was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It wasnt. It was seen as the latest big budget Arnie flick by the director of the action blockbuster Robocop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Fun and semi-campy! Verhoeven is always drawn to the sleazy side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I remember it coming out, it was a respectable success. A fairly high profile hit. Even then it was a very funny movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Fun and semi-campy! Verhoeven is always drawn to the sleazy side.I would prefer such semi-campy films over today' "serious" sci-fi blockbusters at any time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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