Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 He doesn't always make love letters to cinema of bygone times, Steef. Pulp Fiction, in '94, was strikingly original. And was itself mimicked throughout the nineties afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Reservoir Dogs is very good, Jackie Brown is great, and I have no doubt Pulp Fictions is a smasher. Oneday I'll give it a spin I'm sure.I'm just not that convinced with the rest of his...ouvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Well, three out of whatever is pretty damn good. Not a bad way to explode onto the scene.His best film since Jackie Brown is Inglorious Basterds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Well I kinda agree. Just annoyed by the loyal fanbase that proclaim ever filmed fart he puts out as their new Gospel. He's a very very limited film maker.For all the criticism Spielberg gets, his movies do cover a very rich palette. A wide range of styles. Something the current crop of popular directors (Nolan, OT, Fincher etc etc) can't claim at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I agree with Stefan that this is a pretty arbitrary list. Random choices/rankings and poorly argued. Ikiru is overrated because everyone thinks it's subtle even though he doesn't think it's all that subtle and...uh, that's it? I don't like all of these films but I probably wouldn't have any of them on an all-time overrated list. And some of those alternative choices are just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Well I kinda agree. Just annoyed by the loyal fanbase that proclaim ever filmed fart he puts out as their new Gospel. He's a very very limited film maker.For all the criticism Spielberg gets, his movies do cover a very rich palette. A wide range of styles. Something the current crop of popular directors (Nolan, OT, Fincher etc etc) can't claim at all.Spielberg is on another plain to Tarantino. Has there ever been a more versatile filmmaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Many hack directors who take whatever they are offered perhaps, but not a film maker who can basically do what he want.Spielberg isnt afraid to venture outside his comfort zone or audience expectations.The director of Lincoln also did Hook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm waiting for him to make a film that is more then just a hip reworking of a sub genre thats no longer fashionable. Like JJ most of QT's films are about other films, not about the actual real world.In contrast to your X-MEN movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The director who made Jurassic Park and Schindler's List back-to-back. Blows me away, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 So how long do you exactly plan to re-re-re-watch DIE HARD as point of reference for good action movies? It's from fucking 1988.Yeah and Raiders is from 1981. What's your point? Don't tell me your coming at this from a cool modernist's perspective. Ugh.? So why not compare INCEPTION to AFRICAN QUEEN or OUT OF THE PAST? if we want to random it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm waiting for him to make a film that is more then just a hip reworking of a sub genre thats no longer fashionable. Like JJ most of QT's films are about other films, not about the actual real world. In contrast to your X-MEN movies?Singer isnt brilliant when it comes to portraying the real world either.The director who made Jurassic Park and Schindler's List back-to-back. Blows me away, that.So different, yet both of them pure Spielberg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 So how long do you exactly plan to re-re-re-watch DIE HARD as point of reference for good action movies? It's from fucking 1988.Yeah and Raiders is from 1981. What's your point? Don't tell me your coming at this from a cool modernist's perspective. Ugh. ? So why not compare INCEPTION to AFRICAN QUEEN or OUT OF THE PAST? if we want to random it...Because my Die Hard reference was a response to KK.'s post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm waiting for him to make a film that is more then just a hip reworking of a sub genre thats no longer fashionable. Like JJ most of QT's films are about other films, not about the actual real world. In contrast to your X-MEN movies?Singer isnt brilliant when it comes to portraying the real world either.Portraying the real world is not cinema's forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 True, but warmed over recyclings of scenes we have seen in other Hollywood movies and assuming people really talk and act like that (which JJ seems to do) isnt that intresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The only real tragedy is that Jerry Goldsmith isn't among us anymore who was born to score shallow product like FOREVER YOUNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There is no such thing as 'overrated', you just don't like it as much as others do.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Spot on Alex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It's worth pointing out that Zimmer is probably partly responsible for the histrionic prose of Inception. Dat score is dead serious, don't ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There's a sardonic kind of playfulness to it, at times, I think. Also one of his most finely crafted scores ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I despised it upon release, but certain cues have admittedly grown on me. The ones which moved into pop culture, they do mildly resonate with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You mean Time? Yeah, despite its adoption into the universal "epic" playlist, it resonates, mildly or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Dream is Collapsing and all that bombastic lark. It's epic in a kitschy sort of way, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Whatever its merits as satire or social commentary, I find Network flat-out entertaining. For me its unmodulated, overwritten quality works. Just behind 12 Angry Men as my favorite Lumet film."YOU HAVE MEDDLED WITH THE PRIMARY FORCES OF NATURE, AND YOU...WILL...ATONE!""Network" is pure cinematic acid, predicting what will happen to network television, in the same way that "The Day Today" predicited what will happen to TV journalism. It also has the best sex scene ever.Lumet's second-best film? "Dog-Day Afternoon", then "Serpico". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Network is in the list? Lol okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't you dare LOL at "Network"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 If NETWORK only knew how daytime tv would look like 30 years later...it would have died of a sudden massive stroke before shooting finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 'I'm as tired as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore' is pretty much how I feel at morning times anyway. Daytime tv only makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 "Network" is pure cinematic acid, predicting what will happen to network television, in the same way that "The Day Today" predicited what will happen to TV journalism. It also has the best sex scene ever. Lumet's second-best film? "Dog-Day Afternoon", then "Serpico". He used to be one of my favorite directors but today Lumet's philosophy that it's all about story and characters and that style should be invisible doesn't appeal to me that much anymore. Mind you, he's very good at it, a true master. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do you think it is possible to have "invsisble style"?"Give 'em the f***ing overhead clause!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do you think it is possible to have "invsisble style"? I never said "invsisble" style so go laugh with someone else, will ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 He used to be one of my favorite directors but today Lumet's philosophy that it's all about story and characters and that style should be invisible doesn't appeal to me that much anymore.That's fair enough. For my own tastes I like a fine balance between the three. Imagine a pie chart sliced into thirds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Do you think it is possible to have "invsisble style"?I never said "invsisble" style so go laugh with someone else, will ya!Then what did you mean by your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Lumet made lots of films so there are some yawns along the way but i never found him style-less - even his most recent stuff like BEFORE THE DEVIL KNOWS YOU'RE DEAD feels like its made by a great craftsman who knows exactly how he gets what he wants without doing one move too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I despised it upon release, but certain cues have admittedly grown on me. The ones which moved into pop culture, they do mildly resonate with me.You whore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 3 pages of discussion in 8 hours? Damn.I agree with them on Slumdog Millionaire. It was reasonably entertaining, but I didn't think it was remotely as good as most critics were saying.Inception certainly has its flaws, but as a first-time cinematic experience, I found it remarkable.I need to watch it again.Disappointed not to see Citizen Kane. IMO it's the most overrated movie in history; it seems it takes a critic with real guts to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Lumet made lots of films so there are some yawns along the way but i never found him style-less - even his most recent stuff like BEFORE THE DEVIL KNOWS YOU'RE DEAD feels like its made by a great craftsman who knows exactly how he gets what he wants without doing one move too many.Invisible style, not styleless! In fact, his invisible style is his style. It means he strove for cinematique technique to be unnoticeable because to Lumet it diverted from story and characters. He's the opposite of the Kubricks and the Spielbergs of the world.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 3 pages of discussion in 8 hours? Damn.I agree with them on Slumdog Millionaire. It was reasonably entertaining, but I didn't think it was remotely as good as most critics were saying.Inception certainly has its flaws, but as a first-time cinematic experience, I found it remarkable.I need to watch it again.Disappointed not to see Citizen Kane. IMO it's the most overrated movie in history; it seems it takes a critic with real guts to say that....or a complete misunderstanding of exactly what "Citizen Kane" set out to achieve. But if you don't like it, then you don't like it, and your viewpoint should be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 When he uses flashy technique it stands out, though. I wonder if Lumet ever had a talk with Michael Bay about movie directing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 AlexHe's the opposite of the Kubricks and the Spielbergs of the world.Arent Spielberg and Kubrick already opposites of each other in many ways? Just ask Terry Gilliam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Screw Gilliam! Kubrick and Spielberg have in common that they love their movies to be very (read: noticeably) visual and cinematic. The existence of the camera in their movies is obvious. Both are strong manipulators and they like to 'enlarge', to 'exaggerate', albeit each in his own way. They are cinematic drama queens compared to Sidney Lumet.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I would add The Shawshank Redemption to that list!Ok, it's a very good film, but I wouldn't consider it the best film of all time!! (according to imdb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Shawshank is probably the internet's favourite film to trendily dismiss and undermine. Made the mistake of becoming too popular and beloved so it did. It's a great film, naturally. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think it falls in the same category as Inception in terms of how people perceive it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 VERTIGO truly deserves to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I guess for really undemanding people they represent a pinnacle of the artform.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Lol.VERTIGO's a pinnacle of the artform? Try INTOLERANCE, NOUVELLE VAGUE, PASSION OF JOAN THE ARC or SANSHO DAYU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I was talking about Shawshank. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Oh, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 But Vertigo might be an overrated film, yeah. Thecscore, however, is not.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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