filmmusic 1,823 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 @publicistI'm watching the film tomorrow probably! I just listened to the soundtrack for the 80s animation series Ulysses 31.When a soundtrack for an animation TV series is much better, interesting and artistic than scores of today's blockbusters, then you know that there is a problem in film music today. (and it's not a problem of orchestra vs. synths as many think. It's a problem of good composition vs. bad composition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 How? Are animated TV series somehow inferior to blockbusters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 How? Are animated TV series somehow inferior to blockbusters?No, I didn't mean it that way.On the contrary, Ulysse 31 is a masterful series!! (as many others).I meant it budget-wise.That a film that uses an enormous budget and its target is to be a global phenomenon, should at least consider to have a good an interesting score too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ulysses 31 was my favourite cartoon series when I was kid. It's narrative and style was so dark and unlike anything else, there's no way you would ever get something like it made today, not a chance. The music was really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Yeah, it's in my top 2 cartoons ever too..I gather you saw it in English, right?I saw it in Greek, and some years ago bought the English DVDs.But I really would like to watch them in the original French language.And I really hope for a Bluray release!(there is already a new soundtrack out if you don't know it, since the master tapes were found and the reviews say it has a very good sound)The French DVDs are remastered (comparing to an English release), but unfortunately no English sutbitles..Can any French or German guy here explain to me why don't French and Germans want their films and series to be seen globablly by a wider audience? Wouldn't they gain more profit from it?Really can't understand it!There are many French and German Blurays that I'd like to have, but i can't due to lack of subtitles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 There had been a lot of talk about children's cartoons lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The music from the '87 TMNT is overdue for a release! Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sphere - Elliot GoldenthalFinally got my hands on the whole album. What a superbly atmospheric score. Great dense and sometimes barely audible harmonies in the electronics underpinning the orchestra, and some truly eerie writing with the avant-garde flair you'd expect from this man. I'm putting the movie on right now.Also Silvestri's Contact. Listen to those string ostinati at 1:32, two years before Don Davis! And a few years after John Adams.... Ugh and that wash of electronics in Small Moves. Wonderful.And finally in keeping with my 90s scifi selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hook by John WilliamsFitzwilly by John WilliamsThe Witches of Eastwick by John WilliamsWhen the Whales Came by Christopher GunningHella W. by Panu AaltioDefiance by James Newton HowardWas that the OST, or the "unoffical" "TWOE"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hook by John WilliamsFitzwilly by John WilliamsThe Witches of Eastwick by John WilliamsWhen the Whales Came by Christopher GunningHella W. by Panu AaltioDefiance by James Newton HowardWas that the OST, or the "unoffical" "TWOE"?The unofficial one, which adds some nice connective material to the whole, although the OST does contain all the main highlights of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Star Trek The Motion Picture complete main score (no early versions)Currently on Star Trek II and am doing a Star Trek film score marathon with the first 10 films. Doubt I'll be able to get through all 10 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Nice, I listened to Generations earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I tried to get through that the other day. Nuh uh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,329 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I listened to Trek III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The Tower by Christopher YoungAn Unfinished Life by Christopher YoungUnbreakable by James Newton Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Howard Shore - The Desolation of SmaugTerrific score, terrific album arrangement. Even now knowing exactly where the edit points within tracks are, and how un-chronological the end of the album is, it all still works this way.Brian Tyler - Now You See Me (Complete)Love it. Everytime I listen I hear new things in cues I hadn't appreciated before. I don't get why this can't be sent to spotify, itunes, etc, it's SO superior to the OST with only 20 minutes of score.James Newton Howard - SignsClassic score I can't believe took me 10 years to discover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 James Newton Howard - SignsClassic score I can't believe took me 10 years to discover+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Signs is one of my all-time favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Wonderful score, but a tedious, leaden film. Shymalenonanon desperately trying to be Spielberg in CE3K-mode but falling on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The film is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I like the first half or so, and then it nose dives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Wonderful score, but a tedious, leaden film. Shymalenonanon desperately trying to be Spielberg in CE3K-mode but falling on his face.He has been falling on his face a lot in recent years.But the score for Signs is marvellous. I remember being rather unimpressed on the first listen but somehow the brilliant cyclical and minimalistic idea that forms the core of the score just struck me as highly inventive on subsequent listens connecting musically with the crop circles in the film. It is fascinating to listen to how much mileage Howard is able to get out of such a devise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I love the film. Shyamalan's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Good one, Koray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,329 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 "Last" Crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Good one, Koray!We've already discussed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I like it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Good one, TheGreyPilgrim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 First half (and beyond) shows the signs a very good director, before it takes the plunge in the final act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 First half (and beyond) shows the signs a very good director, before it takes the plunge in the final act.Are you proud of your joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Very much so.I'm glad you caught on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 One thing about Shyamalan up through Lady in the Water is that even when I don't love the film, I love the universe he creates. I'm not sure why but even a film like The Village (which is deeply flawed), I can sit through because I seriously feel sucked into the world for for some reason. JNH's scores are a big part of that for me.NP - Fringe Season 4 / Chris TiltonThe final track, Henrietta, gets me every time. Beautiful, short, sad piece that I don't want to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,982 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've been listening mostly to the three Varese Club releases over the past week or so - Alan Silvestri's The Abyss (you can read some of my incoherent ramblings under this link), Michael Kamen's Suspect and Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek Nemesis. The last one was a surprisingly strong album and I think the whole thing has graced my ears 5 times by now. Of all the Trek expansions this might be one of the most significant. A surprise, to be sure.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Karol, you're back!Oh how we've missed the croc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oh how we've missed the croc!I haven't! Life was sweeter without him around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sshhhh, we're supposed to welcome him with open arms, you dolt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I liked him better before he died! crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 He was sent back until his task is done. He has come back to us now, at the turn of the tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,982 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've come back to you now - at the turn of the tide.EDIT: Damn you, KK.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You've become slow. It must have been the excessive consumption of mushrooms! They've addled your brain and yellowed your teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,982 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well, Karol is odd, I grant you. He lives a solitary lifeOh how we've missed the croc!I haven't! Life was sweeter without him around...But was it sweatier?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Silence of the Lambs by Howard Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Edge of Darkness by Howard ShoreI never bothered to get this score until recently, thinking this was unremarkable at the time. So this was my first time listening to it, I've been putting it off for far too long. But to my surprise, it actually wasn't that bad, not bad at all. It's one of Shore's lesser efforts, yes, but there are some cool textures at work in this score. The aleatoric work has great power and resonance, especially in the brass, and goes to show how Shore is arguably one of the more capable composers of soliciting great brass performances, at least with the aleatoric stuff (on that note, I still think AUJ had a much better performance with the aleatoric stuff than DoS, but that may have to do with the orchestra as well). The shrieking strings in cues like Pursuit sound very effective, along with muscular brass in Killing and Hit and Run (great stuff in there). Ultimately, what this score lacks is cohesive melodic material. There is definitely motivic stuff in there, but largely unsubstantial (as is the case with a good deal of his thriller works). There is a pretty neat melodic device on the harp for the Main Titles, but I wish it had a more well-defined theme attached to it (instead of an offshoot of the Footsteps of Doom ). The daughter/father theme (I think that's what it is) is also alright, but still lacking. There are other motifs circulating in there too, but this is really a score of textures, which Shore excels at. And I can't help but think this actually has some cool stuff in it. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't hold a candle to John Corigliano's vastly superior "rejected" (or replaced rather) score. But it isn't bad, and it has me curious to watch the film. Is it any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 It's all right. Gibson's great in it as you'd expect.Shore's score works fine, but of course couldn't adequately replace this given the amount of time he had.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=765mje8tW_E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Like I said, Shore's replacement is no match for Corigliano's score, which is brilliant. I wish I could see the "Pursuit" cue in context (Corigliano's, that is). I think I might just play that score now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I have yet to listen to Shore's version but I can't imagine it trumping Corigliano's work. I think I'll take a listen to both soon and compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Meh, why compare? One was written with well-utilized time to plan and carefully construct, the other to fulfill the director's 11th hour whim. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Meh, why compare? One was written with well-utilized time to plan and carefully construct, the other to fulfill the director's 11th hour whim. Apples and oranges.Just to hear how different their approaches are, nothing more. Both have distinct voices but I am interested to see do I find same qualities in Shore's work as I do in Corgiliano's. Mind you the re-scoring was done after heavy changes to the tone of the film so Shore has naturally scored a different film with different requirements. But still it will be an interesting comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Shore's score is excellent. Ya'll crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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