Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah that's not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Those "EPIC" trailer choirs might disagree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The second track is very interesting! It contains Silvestri's theme! Well done Mr. Elfman! Hope he scores Avengers 3 and 4! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Just heard it and I agree. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that in his very first track, Elfman blows away Silvestri's entire score. Now I've only listened to the first five tracks mind you, but Tyler's cues don't seem half bad either. Pretty sure the album is way out of order though. Either that or the film jumps right into the action from the get go.Oh and for anyone wondering, the "preview track" on soundcloud is Tyler's "Rise Together." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Just heard it and I agree. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that in his very first track, Elfman blows away Silvestri's entire score. Now I've only listened to the first five tracks mind you, but Tyler's cues don't seem half bad either. Pretty sure the album is way out of order though. Either that or the film jumps right into the action from the get go.Oh and for anyone wondering, the "preview track" on soundcloud is Tyler's "Rise Together."Well Silvestri's score had some great cues but in general the score was boring. I have listened to 6 tracks from Age of Ultron and it sounds promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 This is up on iTunes New Zealand and Australia https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816 https://itunes.apple.com/AU/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816 I've listened to all the Elfman tracks, and really liked what I heard! It's like a fun Elfman score peppered with Silvestri's themes (Captain America theme and Avengers theme appear). Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yes! What did you think about the tracks composed by Tyler? For me Iron man 3 and Thor 2 are stronger efforts on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Haven't listened to those tracks yet, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Elfman's take of Silvestri's theme is superior to the original. Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Elfman's stuff is great. Even Tyler's is ok... kind of reminds of Young in The Core mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Tyler's material doesn't really go anywhere. It's like constant bombast. And the few times he tries to slip in a thematic fragment, it's drowned out by more drums and string ostinati. The action writing is decent enough, but unmemorable as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Sounds like Tyler, yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Mmm... Elfman's stuff sounds pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 This is now on Spotify US, but only 1 track is available to play https://player.spotify.com/album/1UaUCko4qqWnT2gJKmaQLT EDIT: Spotify screwed up, and the one track there "Uprising", is a Tyler track of the same name from Thor 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Shore 83 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 The Elfman work is impressive. I like the new theme, but for moments reminds me "Cuthroat Island" theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 That's a great theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yeah, I said previously that it feels a bit swashbuckling.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 This is now on Spotify US, but only 1 track is available to playhttps://player.spotify.com/album/1UaUCko4qqWnT2gJKmaQLTNot sure why they chose a track as generic as that to be the only one available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Interesting. After a new logo cue featuring the Avengers theme the first 60 seconds or so are tracked with music from the first film.The film had several short moments when Silvestri's score for the first film was tracked. Others where it featured newly recorded versions of Alan's music. His the gets a full work out after the mid credit scene. (full statements of The Avengers and Helicarrier from the first score)Why didn't they just hire him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 This may have already been posted but this guy has uploaded the entire soundtrack online:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKYq1YUeKWf0ESJEcDtZHIXEJXHBr-qcB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm listening to it right now. Not bad, not as infectiously fun as Silvestri's score so far. I'm liking the thematic continuity Tyler and Elfman maintain... Tyler's IM3 theme, Silvestri's Captain America and Avengers theme. Not sure if I hear Tyler's Thor theme...Maybe the score plays better in the movie itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I like the subtle hint of the Iron Man 3 theme on piano @ 0:55 in the track Birth of Ultron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Just came home from watching this film.Good music by both Elfman and Tyler, buit it realluy feels like they are replacing Silvestri. MNot only does the film contain tracked music from the first film. There are also instances where Silvestri's music is slightly rearranged and re-recorded. (the hellicarier cue for instance)Silvestri also gets a lot of love during the end credits. No less then two cues from his score are used for the end title music after the credit scene (his own end credit cue and the Hellicarier music)I wonder now if Tyler was forced upon Whedon by Marvel and he wasnt happy with the score. Silvestri wasnt able to be hired and they went to Elfman instead to fix the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I think that's probably very much the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 after the new logo cue the film opens with the last minute or so of "I Got A Ride" from The Avengers Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There are also instances where Silvestri's music is slightly rearranged and re-recorded. (the hellicarier cue for instance)This appears on the album. I thought this was intentionally written in to reference the Hellicarrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yes, it appears late in the film. The version is a near identical arrangement to Silvestri's cue. It gets repeated for the end credits.The film is good, but it basically has the musical voices of three composers. The scoring process must have been a nightmare on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 How would you rate the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I think if Elfman had written the whole thing, you'd have a coherent and fresh sound for the film that pays proper tribute to Silvestri while standing on its own legs.Elfman actually builds off Silvestri's score and makes it his own. Tyler's references rarely step outside of direct quotes, as brief as they are.But really, I'm surprised you could tell any difference at all in context (given all the fights, battles, sound effects etc). That's a concerning sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Can anybody name me a track in the Ultron soundtrack where Silvestri's Cap theme appears? I've been keeping an ear out for it but haven't caught it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Beginning of the last track, "New Avengers".Tyler quotes it somewhere else too, but it's less recognizable. In fact, you usually only recognize the Iron Man theme in the Tyler cues. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 It was good, but the Silvestri stuff stood out more then anything else, probably because im more familiar with it.The credits mention two London based orchestras for Tyler. Didn't catch an orchestra name for Elfman's portion. Orchestrations by Steven Bartek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Why didn't they just hire him again?Maybe he didn't want to return? Think about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Ah, there it is. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Why didn't they just hire him again?Maybe he didn't want to return? Think about that... Someone on FSM mentioned Kevin Feige didn't like Silvestri's score. That might be why Tyler got it initially. Beginning of the last track, "New Avengers". Tyler quotes it somewhere else too, but it's less recognizable. In fact, you usually only recognize the Iron Man theme in the Tyler cues. The Captain America theme was tracked in the film at least once. Has there ever been an instance where a composer works on a score for quite a while. Then a second, bigger name is brought in and the first composer stays with the project and the two coordinate with each other? The fact that Tyler wasn't actually replaced after Elfman was hired and that he's actively doing promo work on this score suggests that he will probably continue scoring Marvel films. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 When you say that they use Silvestri's end credit music do you mean that literally?Does this appear in the end credits then (Elfman/Silvestri hybrid theme)?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muKGH74ps6sThis is my favourite cue, by the way:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A0mntR140Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 After the mid credits scene they reuse the Silvestri track called the Avengers.The film closes with a new arrangement of A Promise, followed by the Elfman/Silvestri hybrid, then mid credits scene. Silvestri's The Avengers, music from either Elfman or Tyler, the new arrangement of Helicarier and then some more Tyler or Elfman music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Just curious - I'm not at all familiar with the scores for the previous installments (or the films themselves, for that matter) - is the theme that opens Elfman's HEROES (track 2) written for this film, or is it one of Silvestri's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 It's basically a new theme that was built upon Silvestri's old Avengers theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hmm, to me, it sounds more familiar to the CAPTAIN AMERICA march (the only Silvestri cue for CA I've listened to) - both themes share the same rhythmic figure in their opening bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I think that's more coincidental.There are some statements of the Captain America theme though. Elfman extrapolates Silvestri's "progression + hook" idea into a full fledged melody and some ideas of his own.Silvestri's theme for comparison, mainly the part at 1:04: This is my favourite cue, by the way:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A0mntR140KarolLots of Elfman-isms in that cue.I think it's my favourite cue as well. I like the badass statement of the main theme in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 wow, nice. Loving the musical continuity. I was afraid that Elfman would overshadow Tyler and we'd have a pick and choose score of mostly Elfman tracks, but this is actually all round enjoyable. I'm liking Tyler's stuff almost equally to Elfman's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The score is underwhelming for me. Parts of it are fun, but Marvel should've brought back Silvestri for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 The score is underwhelming for me. Parts of it are fun, but Marvel should've brought back Silvestri for this.Which parts are fun?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Possibly yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 wow, nice. Loving the musical continuity. I was afraid that Elfman would overshadow Tyler and we'd have a pick and choose score of mostly Elfman tracks, but this is actually all round enjoyable. I'm liking Tyler's stuff almost equally to Elfman's.I mostly agree. There a few Tyler tracks that I'd drop, but at least as many that I'd call essential. The score is underwhelming for me. Parts of it are fun, but Marvel should've brought back Silvestri for this.I've heard this from a few people and I find it very interesting because there were only 2-3 parts of Silvestri's score that even caught my attention. I liked both of his attempts at scoring the Hellicarrier scene (see the sessions) and I liked the End Credits, but found the rest of the score completely boring, with a main theme that's never quite as good as it could be. I find Elfman's reworking much more exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Although Tyler's action pieces tend to be wall to wall sound of string ostinato and brass hits, I do like hearing some of his influences in his scores. It reminds me of JNH's Hunger Games chase ideas at 0:32, and some David Arnold preferred high brass shakes at 1:35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uft_fYsCJ8I&index=15&list=PLKYq1YUeKWf0ESJEcDtZHIXEJXHBr-qcB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm sure his music will gradually become more refined - give him some more years to develop. I actually liked some of his action cues (although I do prefer his quieter underscore), but I definitely need to listen to this score again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 After I see the film tomorrow I'll give it another listen to make sense of it in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm not sure what people are raving about. I could barely hear the music in this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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